BleachAndPepsi
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I thought Microsoft didn't respond to rumours? Must mean the 50% is not a rumour
Of course it's not. It wasn't just EDGE making up shit. They sourced it to several devs.
Microsoft respond to the EDGE article
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Of course it's not. It wasn't just EDGE making up shit. They sourced it to several devs.
But we have already seen that Killzone Shadow Fall is superior in graphics than MS launch games. So even if they say let the games do the talking, first party already has shown that, and I can bet nice systems launch we'll hear about the differences with multiplatform games. Personally it is in MS best interest to not mention power at all.
BruiserBear
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At least once a week I listen to a gaming podcast where someone paid to cover this industry says "these consoles are about the same in terms of power".
I keep hoping that with each new report they stop repeating this claim, and yet it keeps happening.
I keep hoping that with each new report they stop repeating this claim, and yet it keeps happening.
It also takes the focus off the actual games that are launching on both systems. Which by the way Shhh, I have a secret. They don't show no 50% more powwhhaa.
I wouldn't mind if they just said hey are similar in power though PS4 has the edge over XB1 still, but no they simply put graphics capability under a rug.
This recent dustup all started with MS (AP) just telling the fans to stop it with the crazy conspiracy theories because the system is capable enough as-is
velociraptor
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Of course. I fully expect first party PS4 games to blow away XBO games. The spec difference is simply too drastic for it to be otherwise. I don't have faith for third party devs to take advantage of the additional power due to console parity or as EDGE put it, 'politics'.
Ding Ding Ding winner!
Read the post I made in the other thread put I put it here again.
From the history or console game, NES and Amiga, SNES and Genesis, PS2 and Xbox, 360 and PS3. Devs didn't give a fuck about parity, on most occasions the most powerful system and or the more easy to develop for system got the better looking games. Why should it be different this gen.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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This thread is a good example of why Sony should stress power and price in their TV ads. It is a big advantage that Microsoft knows can kill them outright with a perception that can never be shook off once it starts.
bigboss370
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world wide studios have been amazing, but let's not forget there were some other people along the way too. Major recognition should be given to Kojima Productions for MGS4, seems like it was the only real 3rd party exclusive of last gen. Also Quantic Dream has been a great asset for Sony, as well as the people that made games like Journey.
Also, historied franchises like Final Fantasy are still associated with Playstation so that would have boosted sales too.
that would be pretty disappointing if it was just that. They've invested so much into making it and bundling it with every system that they must have some significant plans to integrate it into major titles. The tech is impressive. But if its not for major titles then yeah that's really disappointing.
No doubt that game is gonna be huge, but its not like its been worked on this whole time. They took a vacation after GoW3 and also have people from their company helping out Ready at Dawn on The Order no?
I thought Microsoft didn't respond to rumours? Must mean the 50% is not a rumour
It's not a rumor.
Pretty much, but that's okay.
damn there's a lot of juniors on this page >_>
No single figure can possibly convey technical specifications. WUT?
Yep. That's it. I'm done with MS. They continually assume the average human being with a wealth of knowledge at their fingertips is easily duped. Shit may have worked a decade ago but people are smarter than MS believes.
Yep. That's it. I'm done with MS. They continually assume the average human being with a wealth of knowledge at their fingertips is easily duped. Shit may have worked a decade ago but people are smarter than MS believes.
The smart thing for Microsoft to do here is not to respond at all. By acknowledging the article they acknowledge that this is perceived as a problem. They effectively lent weight to EDGE's article despite denying everything about it.
Much like War Games the only way to win in a situation like this is not to play. But MS did. And shat the bed simply by turning up at all.
Much like War Games the only way to win in a situation like this is not to play. But MS did. And shat the bed simply by turning up at all.
Goodacre0081
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holy shit LOL, I actually started to pound on my desk here
Paracelsus
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If even one guy falls for this they did right in retorting.
MS lost the moment they tried to play the numbers game. The up clocks. Sending people like Albert here to obfuscate the numbers between the PS4 and Xbone. The PR initiative to downplay the PS4's technical advantages. It was a game they couldn't win if people knew what the numbers meant and had decent technical knowledge, which GAF has plenty of. Leaks from 3rd party titles running on PS4 and Xbone hardware undermined MS's PR assault as well.
MS should have never opened their mouths about the technical details of the PS4 and Xbone. All it did was that it brought more attention to the Xbone's inferiority to the PS4.
Not if that guy is Shane Kim.
He just sits in the MS corporate car park, day in, day out, wearing his faded Resident Evil 5 t-shirt dreaming of what could have been.
He ain't pretty no more.
Couldn't be more accurate.
TechnicPuppet
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It really isn't, it looks great but not as good as Ryse.
SenjutsuSage
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I'm stunned there's people saying the Xbox One isn't even worth $400 due to the specs haha. Dude, it isn't just about the specs, it's very much about the games.
I guess it down to opinions for me personally I prefer Killzone Shadow Fall. Single player seems to be much more open Sandbox, while Multiplayer is targeting 60FPS. Also with Ryse the animation looks bad as well as Multiplayer not looking too hot.
EventHorizon
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I agree. Microsoft looked at the money Nintendo was bringing in with the Wii and decided they needed motion control and the ability to sell their console at a profit. Microsoft then looked at Apple and saw the truck loads of money that they were able to bring in even with declining market share. Finally Microsoft looked at their own usage metrics to see that people really did use their consoles more for multimedia activities than gaming. So they made a console that had greater emphasis on multimedia, included Kinect, and saw no problem with a $500 price tag.
The issue is that motion control doesn't have the marketing power that it once did, and Microsoft will never be able to sell a console with the kinds of markup that Apple can do. Microsoft needs the console in as many hands as possible in order to make money on Live subscriptions and software sales. However the biggest problem for Microsoft is that it is the gaming features that drive people to make their initial console purchase regardless of what they do with the system afterwards.
After a quick Googling I came across this 2010 article which shows non console sales (Tivo, Roku, Apple TV...) were less than 6% of the combined PS3 and Xbox 360 sales. When people decide to hook something up to their TV, they do so primarily because they want to play games. It is only after the console is hooked up that people make use of its secondary capabilities like watching Netflix even though they may spend more time doing so. Trying to sell a $500 Netflix viewer/Fantasy football stat tracker is not going to work.
BleachAndPepsi
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I'd laugh but I know you're not joking.
But for those of us who aren't interested in the games Microsoft's shown thus far (and don't care for their exclusives from this gen), the console isn't worth $400 with the specs it's got.
Fixed for accuracy.
For the 360 if you didn't want a KInect you didn't have to buy one.
For the Xbone if you didn't want a Kinect you bought a PS4.
Bluemercury
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Ms should just quit the industry...
Nah, different teams.
The team, which is helping external teams, is another story.
They have nothing to do with Santa Monica's AAA teams.
bigboss370
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Sony's exclusive games last gen looked half a generation ahead of anything else, a multiplatform developer is not going to take advantage of any significant difference in power. Its not in their best interest financially, or "politically". Any differences between multplat games is going to be minimal.
There is no doubt. In 3 years the big devs are going to be running circles around the competition. They did so this gen as well but the 360 was a decent machine and the PS3 had some serious quirks, leading to arguably very good looking titles on the 360 as well. But the power difference this time is simply too clear in my mind. We all know that launch games mean nothing and we are still going to see some insane stuff at launch.
everyone makes fun of Shane Kim for not knowing RE5 was announced for 360 but nobody gets on former MS Japan boss Maruyama for not knowing RE5 was announced for PS3
I actually wonder if there was more to this story
bigboss370
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so SSM has like...4 teams?
Stig's team that did GoW3
Todd Papy 2nd team
SSM team that helps other teams
Cory Barlog ocean's 11 team
O_O
I love my 770 4GB but this really isn't that accurate. The PS4 is home to some of the best developers on the planet. I'd say the PS4 is more of a graceful unicorn and the PC crowd are fat schmoozy rich guys while the bone is a large insect. Two apes going at it doesn't do the situation justice.
EventHorizon
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It is more like the two cool kids in school (XB1, PS4) trying to impress a girl, and a nerd (PC) keeps interrupting claiming he is better because he can recite Pi to 100 decimal places. Yea it is impressive, but nobody cares.
Green Yoshi
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"Don't forget the infinite power of the cloud. It will change the console war."
Celestial Mortal
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MS can't catch a break can they?
Quadraphonic
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No. It started because Albert chose to respond to people asking about the power discrepancy by regurgitating the most ignorant spec math I've ever seen, and he proceeded to defend it.
Nerve touched
You didn't read my post properly. Devs make full use of the system that is more powerful or easy to develop for. PS3 was hard to develop for, devs didnt give a fuck about parity which is why 360 multiplatform games always looked better early on. Only later when devs got used to PS3, the gap was lessened. Even now developers wouldnt still say PS3 was more powerful. With the Amiga and NES, games looked clearly better on NES because NES was more powerful. Now with PS4 not only is it more powerful, but it is also easier to develop for, it will most definitely have better looking multiplatform games than Xbox One, again devs don't give a fuck about parity, they are going to make use of both systems power us much as they can, and as the generation progress they are gonna use up the extra features of both PS4 and Xbox One to make full use of their power.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Killzone just looks like Killzone, never been a fan. Ryse looks like something different with great graphics.
Maybe the fact I am not a big fan of Killzone clouds my judgement, I just don't see it as being ahead the way others do.
Infamous looks ahead.
That thread started with what I described. It devolved from there.
To be fair the cool kids are phones and tablets. Xbone, PS4 and PC are the creepy seniors that want to hang out with the freshmen.
Insane Metal
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Yes! LOL I need to make another one of those... hahaha... there's one on my channel on youtube... I posted here around E3... xD
"Don't forget the infinite power of the cloud. It will change the console war."
Diprosalic
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even if it's true, MS spends a good chunk of their efforts just to tell everybody that the Xbone is nearly as good as the PS4, which i find pretty funny.
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