PS4 vs. Xbox One poll - Tokyo Game Show Edition
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No one should be worried about losing Japan. They are completely irrelevant console wise
Yeah, ASP is very high in Japan. Just like the ASP is higher in EU than in NA. All these things are a factor.
NingenJanai
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Then why bother releasing it there at all? Of course its relevant.
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
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I'm surprised they didn't all just say that they plan to only play on their phones going forward.
This is just a flame bait article. It is really idiotic. I understand that xbox doesn't do well in Japan...but they are literally asking people what do the plan to buy...something that is coming out in January or something that has no release date. Not to mention any semblance of any game targeted to the audience.
Overall, I feel that the xbone hate is far overstated and the real world won't see the disparity. The hardcore gamers/NEOGAF are in a blind circle jerk of hate and limited perception. Not unlike the Wii, we can easily be far off base.
Personally I am sitting out for a while with my PC. If the PS4 shows a strong actual advantage in cross-platform and has good support...I will get one. Also I bought a Wii for my kids, had a couple hours of fun but find it the worst console I have ever bought.
Overall, I feel that the xbone hate is far overstated and the real world won't see the disparity. The hardcore gamers/NEOGAF are in a blind circle jerk of hate and limited perception. Not unlike the Wii, we can easily be far off base.
Personally I am sitting out for a while with my PC. If the PS4 shows a strong actual advantage in cross-platform and has good support...I will get one. Also I bought a Wii for my kids, had a couple hours of fun but find it the worst console I have ever bought.
Dragon1893
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"What's an Xbox" lol
Not surprised to see several people say neither. Not a single X1 answer. They just don't give a damn.
Not surprised to see several people say neither. Not a single X1 answer. They just don't give a damn.
Valkerionseven
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Ditto what Nightengale said.
Also MS really alienated the market with their "stereotyped" Japanese gamer view on the 360. Like Ng said, the western game market is growing over there, I know people on the internet do not like to realize they play any game that's good, but its true. MS basically thought they could dominate over there by releasing visual novels (which are a niche game type in a niche market to begin with for them) and a few, damn good, but few RPGs and it would be enough.
They got a few people that's for sure, but at the same time, the people they got bought a PS3 down the line and were disappointed with the offerings compared to PS3 in the their home market.
MS would have to do something pretty impressive for the long term if they want that market.
and lol I would not want to be on camera for kotaku either.
Also MS really alienated the market with their "stereotyped" Japanese gamer view on the 360. Like Ng said, the western game market is growing over there, I know people on the internet do not like to realize they play any game that's good, but its true. MS basically thought they could dominate over there by releasing visual novels (which are a niche game type in a niche market to begin with for them) and a few, damn good, but few RPGs and it would be enough.
They got a few people that's for sure, but at the same time, the people they got bought a PS3 down the line and were disappointed with the offerings compared to PS3 in the their home market.
MS would have to do something pretty impressive for the long term if they want that market.
and lol I would not want to be on camera for kotaku either.
Didn't know you can write off near 10 million sales as irrelevant.
Mugatu
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They've put quite a bit of effort and money into trying to win it in the past. Either they've given up or they might as well have with the late release date.
All markets, especially ones with so many developers, matter.
To be fair, this isn't scientific, like they said, and of course Sony has advantage due to huge home market and history so this isn't really shocking news but I'm sure MS does care.
Canis lupus
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Lmao at the kid genuinely asking what an xbox is.
Psycho_Mantis
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10 million ps3's say no. Thats more PS3's sold in Japan than UK.
fastford58
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We need an epic ban-bet thread where people lay it all on the line with launch predictions.
So in other words its MS fault that they reached out to Japan and were ignored.
Sometimes you have to cut your losses. MS could spot Sony 20 million units in Japan and still outsell the PS4 worldwide. That's how insignificant Japan is from a sales perspective. Even Sony silently acknowledges this.
Any effort on Microsoft's part in Japan is a symbolic one that respectfully acknowledges Japan's contribution to console gaming. They should have a precense there but I Wouldn't spend one more dime than I have to.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
The last kid is cute.
Dragon1893
Member
The market isn't as big as it used to be but saying that a market that can potentially buy 10 million consoles is irrelevant is pretty funny. That's about 15% of PS3's total WW sales.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
I am sure Sony does not view its home country as insignificant. After the US it is the second biggest single market for them. It is why they have decided to wait and launch it later so as not to piss off early adopters and to have a console and game that matches their needs. The Japanese also have high game and peripheral attach rates so they will definitely not see it as insignificant.
maquiladora
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The kid at the end, lmao.
Weren't they hyping up some major exclusive being revealed there? What was it, I didn't hear any big news from MS.
Omotesando
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Completely? Like in 100%?
shinra-bansho
Member
The idea that a single-country market where 23.5M 7th gen home consoles have been sold is "irrelevant" is rather nonsensical.
fastford58
Member
Is this a North American thing?
D4 won't be big and FFXV and KH probably won't even sell well on Xbox in Japan because of the PS4 option so...
MS's biggest mistake was coming to TGS with absolutely zero announcements at all.
Zatoichi's Cane
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But what about the xbone tv features available only in the US and Japan??????
WrenchNinja
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No one wants to be associated with the batsu-ichi
No excuse. Sony could have focused on Japan content first. But I doubt Japan is bigger than Europe for consoles.
Japan is a symbolic market for consoles.
I think they had to show face even if the announcements aren't ready yet.
I still think MS will have a JP conference similar to Sony had Pre-TGS next year with some Japanese game announcements.
I'm sure they know they'll never do well or even decently in Japan. They just got to feign some interest in the Japanese market for image reasons, to be taken seriously as a contender in the business.
Dragon1893
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Well, it's not that easy, putting together a good launch line-up is already hard, let alone having a handful of games tailored to a specific country's tastes. Looking at what happened during the current generation, it's hardly a surprise that the Western studios were able to deliver several high profile launch window games while the Japanese didn't.
And symbolic is just another word to say it doesn't matter, which isn't true.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
That is why I said single market. Europe is 40 odd countries. One country does 10 million while Europe sells 30 million combined. If those sales in Japan are symbolic than i would like to see what they would look like if Japan actually cared.
Sony know what they are doing in Japan. I expect it to do similiar if not better numbers than the PS3.
It is not really Sony's fault if third part developers dont have games ready for November.
SenkiDala
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Except 35/45yo gamers in Japan, nobody gives a damn about video games on console there... Maybe the PSP a bit, and someday the VITA, but that's it. No PS4 at launch in Japan is not a random decision.
Japan is not the heaven of video games anymore.
At least we still have good JRPG/TRPG/Visual Novels from there... for now.
Japan is not the heaven of video games anymore.
At least we still have good JRPG/TRPG/Visual Novels from there... for now.
shocktrooper
Neo Member
Lots of people saying "neither", that's also kind of a giveaway.
NoirVisage
Banned
Sour grapes, of the digital kind. I have a feeling this next gen will blow our mind much more than the launch games imply.
Daffy Duck
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Let's all over look the neither as equally as damning and concentrate purely on the evil MS.
Except 35/45yo gamers in Japan, nobody gives a damn about video games on console there... Maybe the PSP a bit, and someday the VITA, but that's it. No PS4 at launch in Japan is not a random decision.
Japan is not the heaven of video games anymore.
At least we still have good JRPG/TRPG/Visual Novels from there... for now.
Defines heaven...
I think Japan would care more about home consoles if they had more things to see in their tastes. I know ni no kumi didn't sell, but i'm pretty sure that if PS3 had more impressive "cartoon coming to life" rpgs and such, with a better price, it could have make a better impression in japan.
Except if they really shifted in total nomad mode of course, which is a possibility. IN that case, Sony should use that smart phone plug and design a massive game that would create some kind of bridge, where kids in the street would be connected with their friends at home and interacting. Also with the vita of course.
Kazuma Kiryu
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"Lots of people" is 7 out of 32?
Psycho_Mantis
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You expect everyone to buy a PS4 at launch or even buy one? Not all gamers are going to buy consoles. Furthermore its more like 25%. 75% said PS4. Hardly "lots".
Except 35/45yo gamers in Japan, nobody gives a damn about video games on console there... Maybe the PSP a bit, and someday the VITA, but that's it. No PS4 at launch in Japan is not a random decision.
Japan is not the heaven of video games anymore.
At least we still have good JRPG/TRPG/Visual Novels from there... for now.
Except pretty much everyone who said PS4 looked like they were teenagers or 30 and below.
WTF is wrong with some of the people on this thread. Guys acting like no one in Japan buys video gaming consoles when over 23 million were sold this gen. Thats like a 8% decline from last gen.