I pirated 360 games and MS banned me, what the hell?

Actually I did some digging and as long as you bought a game on the same console and the dev doesn't have a drm in place then you should be able to still play that game even on a banned console.
 
pixlexic said:
Actually I did some digging and as long as you bought a game on the same console and the dev doesn't have a drm in place then you should be able to still play that game even on a banned console.
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Yeah if you have the games on your HD. What if you bought 50 games and only store 25 on your HD? When you get live banned you can't redownload the other 25 games you bought.
 
Canis lupus said:
Its the principle, why should cheaters not be banned? Doesnt matter if they ban or reset their accounts, cheating shouldn't go unpunished.
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Because it doesn't affect anyone. Cheating in online multiplayer should be a banneable offense (not a complete ban though, just a game ban), offline doesn't matter shit and this includes trophies. Who cares if my trophy level is 100 or something cause of cheating? Does it affect your enjoyment of the games? Resetting is a better solution but still, why gives a fuck?

Some people find cheating fun, if it doesn't affect anyone else why not just let them.
 
FlyingSaucer said:
As long as this digital future is not provided by MS, we should be fine.
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Rubbish. The only folks who have problems with banning are scam artists and folks who try to do shady things.
It's a good thing they are banned. It protects the rest of honest users.
 
Yea, the way the OP has deloyed his message does sound a bit shady.

Anyway, if it is just the Oman thing, looking at some other posts, there could be some ambiguity in the TOS that could work to his advantage.

But all in all, before you pretend to live in another country to get free games, you should really find out what the consequences are.

He could have called MS ahead of time just to make sure he was okay to pretend he was from Oman.
 
I have PSN accounts from different countries for free games and such; since around late 2007. Never got in trouble or anything. Microsoft sucks, they could have just banned the Oman account or took the privileges of you downloading from other countries away. Another reason why I will never go Digital only.
 
Perhaps we need a law to reduce the maximum penalties companies can give out for TOS violations. After all when you get a speeding ticket they don't confiscate your car and everything in it. Since software companies are abusing a loophole in the law with their whole license BS (It's in a box in a store, you bring it to a counter, pay money, take the box home and then read that "you didn't buy this". Makes me wonder if you could say "yeah, that bullet was fired from my gun, I was holding the gun and he died but I didn't shoot him, this was just a time-limited lead transfer! Now give me that bullet back!") there's a LOT of money attached to most accounts these days. Then making any infraction result in a total account ban quickly gets disproportionate.
 
Fuck MS.

Welcome to the world of PS.

I remember when we all jailbroke our PS3. It was glorious and was like WW2 had just ended. Then Sony sent out a press notice. Everyone had 1 month to upgrade or they would be banned.

A common sense way to handle the situation.
 
If Microsoft willingly made those games free for the country of Oman, they had to expect people would try to get them through workarounds. As long as they didn't hack shit, I find that Microsoft had no reason to ban the people who did. It is their fault they couldn't fool proof the promotion.
 
Bedameister said:
That's why I would never do something like that oman thing.
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Oman comin'!
 
FloatingDivider said:
Nah, I didn't really care about the DRM since it wouldn't really affect me. I do care about their americentric world view which equates the country I live in to a 3rd world ghetto that is unworthy of their attention or products. I also think that the fact that the redesigned xbox brand doesn't resonate with me at all is a big issue. I'm also bothered by the fact that they are restructuring all of their major platforms to push advertising while requiring subscription fees. I also don't like that they charge a standard fee for access regardless of the content you actually gain access too, my xbox live has been a ghetto since the start of xbl and it's still a ghetto now. The only noteworthy additions have been advertisements for local banks. So while I appreciate your MS apologist nature for what is is - I'd like to ask you to refrain from guessing my motives using your ultimately flawed logic.


In a nutshell yes, I will never feel guilty about employing loopholes or glitches in a system. Microsoft doesn't feel guilty about abusing loopholes in tax or monopoly law making, I don't feel guilty about abusing a loophole in their internal system architecture - if it bothers them that I can they should fix it.
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There is not a single thing in your entire explanation that justifies you willingly trying to gain access to content that you are not entitled to. I am not an MS apologist, not by a long shot. But, I am one who recognizes an entitlement position when I see it, which is what you profess in your posts.
 
cyberheater said:
Rubbish. The only folks who have problems with banning are scam artists and folks who try to do shady things.
It's a good thing they are banned. It protects the rest of honest users.
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The problem isn't that shady behavior is being punished. It's that it's being punished the same way every time. Why does abusing the Oman thing mean you should not have access to your purchased games anymore or even play online at all on said console? There have to be other solutions that aren't just a complete ban. I don't think anyone would complain if OP just lost access to the free games he shouldn't have gotten.
 
I was once temp banned for having the word "racist" in my motto. Apparently someone complained about it, and MS felt that was the appropriate course of action. Mind you, the context of the word was, if you are racist and verbally abusive, please do not friend me. Sometimes they ban for stupid shit; not passing judgment on the OP either way, but their system is in no way perfect.
 
AuthenticM said:
If Microsoft willingly made those games free for the country of Oman, they had to expect people would try to get them through workarounds. As long as they didn't hack shit, I find that Microsoft had no reason to ban the people who did. It is their fault they couldn't fool proof the promotion.
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A good point, but if their TOS is vague enough to cover for their stupidity, they can get away with it until challenged.

If MS felt threatened enough by this they might change their tune and withdraw the ban, but I doubt they would.
 
Cizard said:
The problem isn't that shady behavior is being punished. It's that it's being punished the same way every time. Why does abusing the Oman thing mean you should not have access to your purchased games anymore or even play online at all on said console? There have to be other solutions that aren't just a complete ban. I don't think anyone would complain if OP just lost access to the free games he shouldn't have gotten.
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I think the OP got caught for something else. Hopefully he'll come clean.
 
Shiggy said:
Under European law, you are allowed to sell your account with all of your game licenses. Goes on to show much these ToS mean..
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Just because you are able to transfer your license and certs under the law does not mean that MS has to allow access to a service they operate if actions by that account violate their ToS. Sell your system, fine. Sell the games on it, fine! Selling an account that has violated a ToS for a provided service will not wipe that slate clean.
 
Thats a pretty s*itty thing to do, I have some games that came from "mistakes" like this on PSN, it would suck to get my acc banned.

Though as other people say, I doubt its the Oman thing.
 
cRIPticon said:
Just because you are able to transfer your license and certs under the law does not mean that MS has to allow access to a service they operate if actions by that account violate their ToS. Sell your system, fine. Sell the games on it, fine! Selling an account that has violated a ToS for a provided service will not wipe that slate clean.
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Selling an account is a violation of the ToS in itself. Prohibiting the sale of your account violates EU law, however. There's also no legal ground for banning access to a user's library of past purchases for a violation of the ToS. Perhaps in the US there is, but in Europe there is not.
 
ricardo_sousa11 said:
Thats a pretty s*itty thing to do, I have some games that came from "mistakes" like this on PSN, it would suck to get my acc banned.

Though as other people say, I doubt its the Oman thing.
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That's a different situation. You downloaded free games on YOUR store, that's Sony mistake, you didn't do anything wrong. There, people have created an Oman account even if there not domiciled there, technically it's forbidden even if Sony & Microsoft generally are "tolerating" multi-accounts.

Note I'm saying that but I have myself multi-accounts
 
mentalfloss said:
A good point, but if their TOS is vague enough to cover for their stupidity, they can get away with it until challenged.

If MS felt threatened enough by this they might change their tune and withdraw the ban, but I doubt they would.
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This depends on the country in which you live and made the transaction. Not all clauses are enforceable everywhere. Maybe in the US it is, where the justice system seems to bend over and take it for corporations, but not everywhere.
 
FDC1 said:
That's a different situation. You downloaded free games on YOUR store, that's Sony mistake, you didn't do anything wrong. There, people have created an Oman account even if there not domiciled there, technically it's forbidden even if Sony & Microsoft generally are "tolerating" multi-accounts.

Note I'm saying that but I have myself multi-accounts
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It's not. ToS do not forbid this.
 
He most likely violated the Terms of Service, yes, but the 360 TOS itself (including the digital licensing component and no reason given for a ban) should be illegal.

I'd like to see Microsoft get banned out of a few purchases of their own! Without a reason or a fuck given by a judge. See how they like that.
 
Question for those who say downloading games labeled free due to a mistake is unethical and deserving of a ban.

You always assume the person in question IS taking advantage of the fact and that they're well informed about what's going on. Now, what if someone who didn't know shit, a casual gamer let's say (even though I don't really like the word), saw a game for free and thought it was completely legit, after all nowadays the market is full of free to play games, would he deserve a ban for it? Would that be unethical?
 
Tenrius said:
It's not. ToS do not forbid this.
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You mean except for this part of the ToS?

1.10. How can I use the Services? You agree that the Services are only for your personal use, and you will not use the Services, any content available on the Services, or your account, for any commercial purpose. You may only access the Services with an Authorized Device or by logging into your account online. You may be unable to use the Services outside the country associated with your account ("Territory"). You may not sell, assign, or otherwise transfer your account to another person. You must keep your accounts and passwords confidential and not authorize any third party to access or use the Services on your behalf unless we provide an approved mechanism. You must contact Customer Support immediately if you suspect misuse of your accounts or any security breach in the Services.
 
Rebel Leader said:
It's not that perfect.
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I have trouble believing it is that imperfect. So while a handful of people might get banned that didnt deserve it doesnt seem like a widespread pandemic that they are.

Not to mention whether sony looks the other way or not doesnt change the tos. Signing in to accounts pretending to be from another country sure sounds like fraud to me.
 
cRIPticon said:
You mean except for this part of the ToS?

1.10. How can I use the Services? You agree that the Services are only for your personal use, and you will not use the Services, any content available on the Services, or your account, for any commercial purpose. You may only access the Services with an Authorized Device or by logging into your account online. You may be unable to use the Services outside the country associated with your account ("Territory"). You may not sell, assign, or otherwise transfer your account to another person. You must keep your accounts and passwords confidential and not authorize any third party to access or use the Services on your behalf unless we provide an approved mechanism. You must contact Customer Support immediately if you suspect misuse of your accounts or any security breach in the Services.
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But that's not prohibiting anything.
 
Axass said:
Question for those who say downloading games labeled free due to a mistake is unethical and deserving of a ban.

You always assume the person in question IS taking advantage of the fact and that they're well informed about what's going on. Now, what if someone who didn't know shit, a casual gamer let's say (even though I don't really like the word), saw a game for free and thought it was completely legit, after all nowadays the market is full of free to play games, would he deserve a ban for it? Would that be unethical?
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Well, yeah. It still involves commiting fraud and lying about your personal information. Where it may get a little shady is with underage gamers, but Live is Microsofts private system. They make the rules and you agreed to them. They have the right to refuse you service. This is why closed digital ecosystems are scary as hell for consumers.
 
AuthenticM said:
If Microsoft willingly made those games free for the country of Oman, they had to expect people would try to get them through workarounds. As long as they didn't hack shit, I find that Microsoft had no reason to ban the people who did. It is their fault they couldn't fool proof the promotion.
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They didn't willingly make them free for Oman. Oman doesn't even have an xbl marketplace. You had to go into your recent games and search for things manually, and everything that didn't give an error showed up as free. People were exploiting a glitch, not taking advantage of a promotion meant for another country.
 
cyberheater said:
Hyperbole much?

I've got loads of DD games on my Xbox. I've no fear of being banned. And that's because I don't abuse the system or do anything shady.

I used to lurk on the Xbox forums and every time you get some whinny Xbox user complaining that they got unfairly banned. It always turned out they tried to scam the system and got found out. Every single time.

The OP is not telling us the whole story.
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While we might not have the full story, I stick by my decision. You may says its hyperbole, I say it asset protection. Of all my digital purchases, it total's less than 100$, between psn and steam. I try to stray away from purchases that can be revoked because the company doesn't want me to have them. I don't think so, I bought that shit it's mine.
 
A. For anyone not in Oman this sure did seem like a shady thing to do given that it required creating an alternate account and lying about your home region.
B. We do not know if taking part in this exploit was the root cause for (or even a factor in) this particular ban.

It seems like we're all missing a very crucial piece of information here, that being the actual reason for the ban.
 
spacemonkeynation said:
Well, yeah. It still involves commiting fraud and lying about your personal information. Where it may get a little shady is with underage gamers, but Live is Microsofts private system. They make the rules and you agreed to them. They have the right to refuse you service. This is why closed digital ecosystems are scary as hell for consumers.
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Nope, nope, I didn't say this person has lied about anything, imagine he lives in the US, and suddenly for 2 hours a game goes free on the US marketplace, said person downloads it, without knowing any better. Is that deserving of a ban, or unethical?
 
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