Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 2: Where Pilotwings is apparently Minecraft

I like to lure other people on the top of the canon, so it could hit them. Best thing on the stage. :D

Absolutely. The cannon also makes for a very nice minigame opportunity. Some of the ideas me and my friends had over the years (some of them take additional equipment and an extra friend):

a) King of the Cannon:
Our favorite. A player gets a point for every 5 seconds he manages to stand on the cannon. -1 pts. after 5 seconds of not standing on the cannon. If you get KO'd by the cannon you lose all of your points. Pretty manageable 1vs1, completely nuts in FFA (obviously needs the extra player)

b) Cannon jumping
All players are standing on the cannon as long as possible before it goes off. The last player to leave the cannon without being fried by it wins. We usually play this on Dolphin, going through a record of the match frame-by-frame in the case of a photo-finish is part of the fun :D

c)
Very simple, still pretty fun. the objective is to destroy the cannon, 2 stocks. If the cannon kills you it's game over, 1 mercy stock after a player kill :D
 
I'm going to make my wish list here but I'm not going to set my expectation high because I know I'm more likely not getting what I want in Smash 4. I hope that other people would find their time to do their wish list as well because I think it would be interesting to see what other people want.

My Wish List

For Characters
50+ Characters Roster including Palutena, Isaac, Laughing Dog, Takamaru, Little Mac, Mii, King K Rool, and more. Also I would like to see Sonic and Snake returning as well.

For Stages
I would like to see Sakurai's choices of stages being more variable rather than just focusing on most recently games' stages. I would like to see more memorable stages from old games, and I also would like to see more stages that would represent the franchises without having playable characters, such as NintenDog stage. I would love to see Duck Hunt Pond, Venus Lighthouse, Rainbow Road, Safari Zone, Advance War Stage with Fogs, etc.

Also I would like to have more retro stages from SSB to Brawl. PokeFloat must come back with all generation pokemons floating around.

For Trophies
I would like that if they would make most of trophies from scratch, rather than copied and pasted the models and change them into trophies. I really enjoying to look at Melee trophies and see many retro characters trophies in 3D. I would like to believe that it would be our first time seeing Pit in 3D in Melee, right? I would love to see more retro characters in 3D (aka trophies) such as Mike Jones, Takamaru, Laughing Dog, etc if they didn't make in the game.

For Assist Trophies and Pokeballs
I really like the selection of Assist trophies from last game, but I would love that if they can add more characters that didn't have chance to become playable character and get rid of common enemies such as Hammer Bros. Hopefully they would go back to Melee where we would be afraid of pokemons because almost all pokemon had impacts in Melee. For Brawl pokeballs, there are few pokemon that are actually good. Plus Braw's limitation with pokeballs is just lame. Melee with 99 lives and only pokeballs = too awesome.

For Single modes
Since Sakurai confirmed that we are not getting new SSE so they would have more time with single mode and multiplayer mode. For my sake, please bring Break the Target back for individuals since I love to memorize each characters and do my best with breaking the records with break the target. I would like that if they keep it up with Event matches and be creative with the situations. I would like that if they have few unique stages for Event matches like they did in Melee. For example, they did have an event based on Majora Mask stage.

Classic Mode, Adventure Mode and All Stars, I still welcome you back but please do something different about them and make it more interesting, like make the characters more random, unlike Brawl.

I hope that they would come up with new kind of single modes that would keep us busy for long time.

For Online Mode
I think we deserve to have way better and more stable internet for our battles. Please make better netcode for online matches, and keep most of features from Brawl in such as friend list, random, etc.

For Misc
FOR LOVE OF SMASH, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE EPIC OPENING VIDEO FOR SSB4. Just like you did for Melee. It was gorgeous and it still is. I don't want put-together video like Brawl since it was a disappointing for me after I realized that it was from SSE.

I apologized if i sound like spoiled gamer if I asked for one thing. I would love to have two different opening video based on completion of unlocking characters, so I would like to get awarded with a brand new opening video after unlocking all characters, stages, etc.
 
Any chances of this releasing Spring 2014?

Or am I dreaming? :(

Nope, If they said Spring 2014 for Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros 4 didn't. I would suggest that you should hoping for Summer 2014.

My feeling is telling me that release date would land in Fall 2014. (Between Sept 21 to Nov)
 
Any chances of this releasing Spring 2014?

Or am I dreaming? :(

If it releases Spring 2014, then that probably means Nintendo recently reallocated almost all the Smash dev resources into getting the Wii U version out as fast as possible, and so as a result the 3DS version will take even longer to get out. Mid-2015, I would guess.
 
I wouldn't bet on it.

Most likely Fall 2014.

Nope, If they said Spring 2014 for Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros 4 didn't. I would suggest that you should hoping for Summer 2014.

My feeling is telling me that release date would land in Fall 2014. (Between Sept 21 to Nov)

Man, it feels like a decade away.

I cannot wait to see final screenshots compared to what we see today.

Dem improvementz
 
Any chances of this releasing Spring 2014?

Or am I dreaming? :(

Mario Kart 8 has that territory pretty well staked out. This is going to be the big Holiday tentpole release, unless the next Zelda is A LOT further along than we have any evidence to believe or another team is working on Galaxy 3.
 
Remind me what the list of avatars was for? It was for the game launch so there isn't duplicates correct?

It's for when I make newcomer sprites when characters get announced.

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I don't understand why Sakurai refuses to do alternate costumes YET AGAIN. I'm not talking costumes of other characters in their game that didn't make it but actual costumes the character may have worm in past games, like an example would be Star Fox Adventures Fox or Star Fox Assault Fox or something. Or maybe Zora Tunic Link from Twilight Princess or Ordon Ranch Link. He goes on talking about the character would lose their individuality or something........how?????? Sounds like an excuse to me. Why can't I have Caped Mario or Tanooki Mario? So what if they can't fly its a costume change
 
I don't understand why Sakurai refuses to do alternate costumes YET AGAIN. I'm not talking costumes of other characters in their game that didn't make it but actual costumes the character may have worm in past games, like an example would be Star Fox Adventures Fox or Star Fox Assault Fox or something. Or maybe Zora Tunic Link from Twilight Princess or Ordon Ranch Link. He goes on talking about the character would lose their individuality or something........how?????? Sounds like an excuse to me. Why can't I have Caped Mario or Tanooki Mario? So what if they can't fly its a costume change

We don't know that they aren't in the game yet. The common quote regarding appearance was custom outfits, a-la Soul Calibur or Tekken.
 
Hope they give Jigglypuff a final smash that fits her. And yes to fairy moves!

Im still secretly hoping that the character customization that Sakurai promised is....

Transfer character looks from original games into smash....like get your animal crossing avatar in smash, your pokemon trainer avatar from X and Y, your mii, not sure if the latest Fire emblem lets you make a character again, etc etc...
....would be cool?
 
My Wish List

For Characters
Having all characters from all previous games included would be awesome. Even more if the "clone" characters were turned into costumes for the respective main character.

New characters I want to see:
Ghirahim, Demise (with Ganondorf from SSBM/B as a costume), Impa, Palutena, Hades, Viridi, Chrom+Avatar (gimme savegame import from FE:A), Lucina, Tharja, Shulk, Dillon, King Boo, Nabbit (yes, retaining all his NSLU abilities - for the casuals :P), Wonderful-whatever (imagine Pokemon trainer with more Pokemon), Dixie Kong, M.O.N.I.T.A

For Stages
Nintendoland Plaza (with random attractions randomly becoming alive and attacking - fuck balanced gameplay!), Skyward Sword - Back of the Windfish, Kid Icarus Uprising - Aurum Invasion, Super Metroid: Tourian.....ugh, I'm not creative enough for this

For Trophies
Make them more "charming" again. For some reason I enjoyed Melee's trophies much more than Brawl's (although Brawl's minigame was infinitely more entertaining than the lame slot machine - coin launcher FTW), so make them like they were in Melee, I guess...

For Assist Trophies and Pokeballs
Pack in as many as you can, Sakurai. Enemies from a forgotten Nintendo game no one gives a shit about anymore (maybe Star Tropic ?), Characters that barely didn't make the jump into the roster, 3rd party characters if they are not too expensive (like that SimCity 2000 guy), generally characters of smaller Nintendo titles (eShop games!)

Pokeballs: Remove SSBB's limit. Go crazy.


For Single modes

Take a lesson from Special Brawl and Mortal Kombat 9's Singleplayer Modes. Let me customize that shit. Giant-SlowMo-100% Dmg. Handicap-Only-Special-Attacks-enabled-Classic Mode? It's my game, let me play it the way I want!

Bring back the minigames from Melee and add a few new ones. Unified break the targets was the worst decision EVER.

Without SSE to waste time on - bring back Adventure Mode. Bigger and better, with the gameplay reminiscent of the source games (only as much as possible, of course). A stage with Fire Emblem gameplay which allows you to tactically choose your battles? Hell.Yes.


For Online Mode
1.) Make it stable
2.) CUSTOMIZATION

For Misc
Release the two versions a few months apart to avoid cannibalization of sales (SSB43DS in Sept., SSB4WiiU in late Oct. - early Nov.
 
Hope they give Jigglypuff a final smash that fits her. And yes to fairy moves!

Im still secretly hoping that the character customization that Sakurai promised is....

Transfer character looks from original games into smash....like get your animal crossing avatar in smash, your pokemon trainer avatar from X and Y, your mii, not sure if the latest Fire emblem lets you make a character again, etc etc...
....would be cool?

Maybe they could give Jigglypuff one of Xernea's new moves. Like Geomancy, for example.

Not sure about the character customization, though.
Your idea sounds interesting, but I'm not sure how someone like Mario would work.
 
That sounds terrible.

Frees up precious slots. I'm a casual-noob, I'd be fine with Falco and Wolf being "costumes" (alternate models probably would be a better description) of Fox or Lucas being a costume of Ness if that means I can see a few more completely unique characters.
 
Frees up precious slots. I'm a casual-noob, I'd be fine with Falco and Wolf being "costumes" (alternate models probably would be a better description) of Fox or Lucas being a costume of Ness if that means I can see a few more completely unique characters.

It would be as much effort to make them into a costume than a separate character. You wouldn't have more unique characters if that was the case, just fewer characters with more appearance options.

"Slots" is not a quota or maximum quantity.
 
My Wish List

For Characters
Having all characters from all previous games included would be awesome. Even more if the "clone" characters were turned into costumes for the respective main character.

New characters I want to see:
Ghirahim, Demise (with Ganondorf from SSBM/B as a costume), Impa, Palutena, Hades, Viridi, Chrom+Avatar (gimme savegame import from FE:A), Lucina, Tharja, Shulk, Dillon, King Boo, Nabbit (yes, retaining all his NSLU abilities - for the casuals :P), Wonderful-whatever (imagine Pokemon trainer with more Pokemon), Dixie Kong, M.O.N.I.T.A

I hate the very idea of a character becoming an alt costume. This should never happen. It's jarring and just weird.

Also there is an insane amount of over representation. Why is the FE side all FE:A? (assuming Anna is based on her FE:A incarnation). And the idea Ganondorf (who appears in numerous titles) becoming an alt costume for a one-off character is very ridiculous. Ghirahim is a neat choice though, I would not mind him.

And... no offense but I don't understand why people want King Boo so much?

Pack in as many as you can, Sakurai. Enemies from a forgotten Nintendo game no one gives a shit about anymore (maybe Star Tropic ?), Characters that barely didn't make the jump into the roster, 3rd party characters if they are not too expensive (like that SimCity 2000 guy), generally characters of smaller Nintendo titles (eShop games!)
Just to correct you, Dr. Wright is not a third party character. Nintendo owns the SNES version of SimCity, along with the character.
 
Hope they give Jigglypuff a final smash that fits her. And yes to fairy moves!

I'm surprised they didn't give Jiggly a FS that puts everyone to sleep, like Peach. (But it's probably better they didn't because Peach's sucks)

I hope Sakurai isn't too attached to the final smashes because a lot of them could do with a change. DK especially.
 
There's no such thing as a "slot." A character is a character. Wolf doesn't magically take less time and manpower to make if he's hidden away on the character select screen as an alternate costume for Fox.

Have you ever modded SSBB? A character can have multiple different 3D models which share the same stats and animations. For example: Marth is my main character, in the costume slots are Aqua, Roxas and Terra. All of them are basically just costumes of Marth (albeit with their own 3D models!) and thus have Marth's moveset. That's what I would want for SSB4:

Make Falco/Wolf costumes for Fox, the time which would have went into creating alternative outfits and movesets for those characters can go towards new characters instead.
 
Absolutely agreed on the trophy thing. I seriously felt Brawl's trophies were ridiculously disappointing compared to Melee's.

edit: The thing they're saying is that it won't increase the roster size. It still takes effort to make those clone characters, and typically, that effort is made at a time in development that adding more full fledged characters isn't reasonable.
 
Maybe that's how the 3DS' customization will work. You have 45 character slots and every time you personalize a character you have to remove one of the unique ones.
 
Have you ever modded SSBB? A character can have multiple different 3D models which share the same stats and animations. For example: Marth is my main character, in the costume slots are Aqua, Roxas and Terra. All of them are basically just costumes of Marth (albeit with their own 3D models!) and thus have Marth's moveset. That's what I would want for SSB4:

Make Falco/Wolf costumes for Fox, the time which would have went into creating alternative outfits and movesets for those characters can go towards new characters instead.

Falco and Wolf have unique non-smash attacks though and if they return, they're more likely to have more changes to differ away from Fox, just like Luigi has been to Mario. Why waste that in favor of alt costumes?
 
Alt costumes that are different characters is a bit weird to me. Like, if I wanted to be Mega Man I want him with at least some unique traits and not Zero in a Mega Man costume. And what about VO and stuff?
 
I'm surprised they didn't give Jiggly a FS that puts everyone to sleep, like Peach. (But it's probably better they didn't because Peach's sucks)

I hope Sakurai isn't too attached to the final smashes because a lot of them could do with a change. DK especially.

DK's was actually pretty good, dont know what was wrong with it unless you have no rhythm
 
Falco and Wolf have unique non-smash attacks though and if they return, they're more likely to have more changes to differ away from Fox, just like Luigi has been to Mario. Why waste that in favor of alt costumes?

I personally wouldn't mind them sharing one moveset with Fox (since the concept behind their moves is pretty similar), if the time used up recreating their moveset in SSB4 (hypothetically) was instead spent on creating a fresh moveset for a completely new character.

If Sakurai really wants to go down on clones (will be interesting to see the further development of this issue after the return of Toon Link) that would be a way to at least keep those characters in the game at all, sparing them from sharing the tragic fate of Dr. Mario :(
 
I personally wouldn't mind them sharing one moveset with Fox (since the concept behind their moves is pretty similar), if the time used up recreating their moveset in SSB4 (hypothetically) was instead spent on creating a fresh moveset for a completely new character.

If Sakurai really wants to go down on clones (will be interesting to see the further development of this issue after the return of Toon Link) that would be a way to at least keep those characters in the game at all, sparing them from sharing the tragic fate of Dr. Mario :(
Having a Falco that was a costume of Fox and therefore played nothing like Falco would be worse than having no Falco at all.

Against, a thousand times against.
 
DK's was actually pretty good, dont know what was wrong with it unless you have no rhythm

It's effectiveness varies wildly based on the stage size, more than a lot of them. Scrolling stages can mess it up too.

The FS that called in minions like Dedede and Pit were pretty bad depending on stage too.
 
Having a Falco that was a costume of Fox and therefore played nothing like Falco would be worse than having no Falco at all.

Against, a thousand times against.

OK GAF, let's just agree to respectfully disagree here. I'd rather have them as costumes instead of not at all (should that ever be the case), but I can see why someone who likes playing as those characters would disagree with me.
 
OK GAF, let's just agree to respectfully disagree here. I'd rather have them as costumes instead of not at all (should that ever be the case), but I can see why someone who likes playing as those characters would disagree with me.

I highly doubt they'd be rid of anyways.
 
I'm going to post my Wish List again, and hoping that some people would follow same thing. At least, can anyone criticizing or commenting on my wish list. :P

I'm going to make my wish list here but I'm not going to set my expectation high because I know I'm more likely not getting what I want in Smash 4. I hope that other people would find their time to do their wish list as well because I think it would be interesting to see what other people want.

My Wish List

For Characters
50+ Characters Roster including Palutena, Isaac, Laughing Dog, Takamaru, Little Mac, Mii, King K Rool, and more. Also I would like to see Sonic and Snake returning as well.

For Stages
I would like to see Sakurai's choices of stages being more variable rather than just focusing on most recently games' stages. I would like to see more memorable stages from old games, and I also would like to see more stages that would represent the franchises without having playable characters, such as NintenDog stage. I would love to see Duck Hunt Pond, Venus Lighthouse, Rainbow Road, Safari Zone, Advance War Stage with Fogs, etc.

Also I would like to have more retro stages from SSB to Brawl. PokeFloat must come back with all generation pokemons floating around.

For Trophies
I would like that if they would make most of trophies from scratch, rather than copied and pasted the models and change them into trophies. I really enjoying to look at Melee trophies and see many retro characters trophies in 3D. I would like to believe that it would be our first time seeing Pit in 3D in Melee, right? I would love to see more retro characters in 3D (aka trophies) such as Mike Jones, Takamaru, Laughing Dog, etc if they didn't make in the game.

For Assist Trophies and Pokeballs
I really like the selection of Assist trophies from last game, but I would love that if they can add more characters that didn't have chance to become playable character and get rid of common enemies such as Hammer Bros. Hopefully they would go back to Melee where we would be afraid of pokemons because almost all pokemon had impacts in Melee. For Brawl pokeballs, there are few pokemon that are actually good. Plus Braw's limitation with pokeballs is just lame. Melee with 99 lives and only pokeballs = too awesome.

For Single modes
Since Sakurai confirmed that we are not getting new SSE so they would have more time with single mode and multiplayer mode. For my sake, please bring Break the Target back for individuals since I love to memorize each characters and do my best with breaking the records with break the target. I would like that if they keep it up with Event matches and be creative with the situations. I would like that if they have few unique stages for Event matches like they did in Melee. For example, they did have an event based on Majora Mask stage.

Classic Mode, Adventure Mode and All Stars, I still welcome you back but please do something different about them and make it more interesting, like make the characters more random, unlike Brawl.

I hope that they would come up with new kind of single modes that would keep us busy for long time.

For Online Mode
I think we deserve to have way better and more stable internet for our battles. Please make better netcode for online matches, and keep most of features from Brawl in such as friend list, random, etc.

For Misc
FOR LOVE OF SMASH, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE EPIC OPENING VIDEO FOR SSB4. Just like you did for Melee. It was gorgeous and it still is. I don't want put-together video like Brawl since it was a disappointing for me after I realized that it was from SSE.

I apologized if i sound like spoiled gamer if I asked for one thing. I would love to have two different opening video based on completion of unlocking characters, so I would like to get awarded with a brand new opening video after unlocking all characters, stages, etc.

Absolutely agreed on the trophy thing. I seriously felt Brawl's trophies were ridiculously disappointing compared to Melee's.

Yeah, I felt same thing.
 
Btw, I'm not the only one that likes to fight on the small underground island of Hyrule Temple, right? I think little things like that make me enjoy the games so much... :)
 
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