US Federal Government Shutdown | Shutdown Shutdown, Debt Ceiling Raised
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as if to prove my point, i can't even sign up on the new ACA marketplace because of website issues. we've known about this date for 3 years, and the tech gurus running the obama shop couldn't have set up contingencies for this problem? maybe a one year delay wouldn't be so bad.
This is why I don't support Always Online Healthcare.
Next thing you know they'll offer DLC.
Interfectum
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The Republicans don't want to delay it for one year because of tech issues. You know this.
i do know that. i'm saying in light of said tech issues that maybe another delay won't be so bad. afterall, obama's handing out delays, grants, and waivers like candy.
Dude Abides
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Totally maaaan. Smash the state!
That's a great justification. It's like groundhogs day but for politicies, website not working? Guess we'll try again in a year.
Snkfanatic
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I'm holding out for the Season Pass or Plan of the Year edition.
Schobeleth
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Anyone want to join the New California Republic? :/
PoweredBySoy
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That was good.
Journeywalker
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Although it is perfectly legal, defunding a program is an irresponsible way to fight for the repeal of a law when you don't have the votes to actually repeal it. Laws pass. You pay for them.
Consider if a Democratic-controlled House thought some tax breaks were abhorrent, so they kept voting for continuing resolutions that de-funded them, knowing that the CRs wouldn't pass in the Senate. And somehow, by refusing to do their job, they kinda got something they wanted anyway. It's mind-boggling why anyone would support this behavior.
Consider if a Democratic-controlled House thought some tax breaks were abhorrent, so they kept voting for continuing resolutions that de-funded them, knowing that the CRs wouldn't pass in the Senate. And somehow, by refusing to do their job, they kinda got something they wanted anyway. It's mind-boggling why anyone would support this behavior.
It bothers me when people are willing to shut down the government in order to try to change a law that they don't have the votes to otherwise change.
The modern Republican party has been taken over ... If Reagan were alive today, he would be a Democrat.
If not for gerrymandering, the Republicans would have no hope of controlling the House of Representatives.
The modern Republican party has been taken over ... If Reagan were alive today, he would be a Democrat.
If not for gerrymandering, the Republicans would have no hope of controlling the House of Representatives.
If Obamacare is bad for the American people, don't the GOP stand to gain more from letting the law go into effect, watching it fail, then hanging that failure around the democrats' necks in the next election? No, it seems to me the GOP are afraid of it succeeding, which is why they are still kicking and screaming.
Watching from overseas it is quite ridiculous that it is a viable tactic.
Cruz said specifically that he was afraid of it succeeding and that Americans would get addicted to it if it passed, and then it would be politically untouchable forevermore.
I don't really understand how they can have enough votes to shut down government, but lack the votes to repeal a law they hate. So weird.
Actually I am confused about this too.
All they had to do to shut down the government is refuse to come to the table to discuss a continuing resolution when the fiscal year ended. Repealing a law is far more difficult.
Lagspike_exe
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You don't vote to shut down the government, you just don't vote for the funding law. Since GOP has a Congress majority, they can make add whatever they like to the funding law and then send it to Senate. Senate then refuses to vote for yes, and the vote fails. Thus, no funding.
Epsilon-delta
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Because ACA was passed four years ago by the House and Senate. Then election comes and through gerrymandering, the Tea Party won the majority in the House and now you have this situation.
Thatonemoor
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So someone on my Facebook told me to "stop watching MSNBC" and that the house has sent in plenty of bills to the senate but Henry Reid keeps blocking them all. -sigh- I don't even know what I bother.
Actually they apparently have enough votes to fund the government by passing a clean bill without touching healthcare. I read that at least 25 republicans have said they would vote for it... but the GOP leadership will not allow the house of representatives to vote on it. Crazy.
BertramCooper
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Google, the masters of the Internet, can't even launch a new product without serious website issues.
Of course there were going to be issues with the site. No product launch, especially one on this scale, is going to be flawless.
Noisepurge
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does this affect USPS shipments internationally? do i have to halt all eBay auctions from the US?
Very basically, the Tea Party Caucus doesn't remember the shutdown of 1995 and the repercussions that followed from that. The Republicans control the House of Representatives (where budget proposals originate) and the Democrats control the Senate. Adding to this, the Tea Party has an improbable strangle hold on the House of Representatives because every Republican in the House is terrified of being Primaried by what they presume is a large national movement toward the right.
So, with all this, you have one congressional body that's being held hostage by the political equivalent of the Beverly Hillbillies, and the other congressional body that can only look on in horror.
The budget has to be agreed on by both congressional houses, but as long as the one that originates the budget is being controlled by the Tea Party (remember, they are actually a minority of Republicans in the House, out of 233 GOP members, only 49 are Tea Party) we will continue to kick these cans down the road.
Permanently A
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This is an pretty much automatic election in australia. You block supply and it's an immediate double dissolution election. Both the reps and full senate are up and you have a max of six weeks.
The other option in australiais for the govt to resign and let the opponents try to form a govt, see option 1 as the only viable option.
The other option in australiais for the govt to resign and let the opponents try to form a govt, see option 1 as the only viable option.
That one just squeaked by, eh?
WeaponJohnnyX
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Could always tell then to stop watching faux news...
spandexmonkey
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No, the post office is self-sufficient and doesn't rely on federal appropriations.
Conciliator
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I get it. It's cuz helium makes your voice squeaky!
Interfectum
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I haven't been paying attention, is California really doing that much better now?
You mean from a logical level or from the political level?
From the political level it's because the Speaker of the House almost has sole discretion on what to bring to the floor and wait until he has all the admendments he wants added to any bill the Senate approves and vice versa. That is where the stalemate is. From a logical POV, well there is no answer that will likely satisfy any of us.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
RAAAAAAGE!!!!!!
FlashFlooder
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Not trying to single you out specifically, but why does everyone praise Reagan so much? To me, it seems like he's the one that put the GOP on this dark path they're currently following. Mainly, the focus (obsession?) on social issues. I think it has totally ruined the modern republican party.
Epsilon-delta
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The Tea Party
I am not praising Reagan at all personally.
I am just saying that the mostly highly praised Republican figure of the last 40 years would be a democrat today based upon the actual policies that he advocated while he was alive.
RAAAAAAGE!!!!!!
HA!
We wish Boehner had the strength or the smarts of Frank Underwood.
SolarPowered
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Everyone must be trying to get out of the state before shit hits the fan.
/the last of us
SteveWinwood
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He's not in a state.
Boehner needs to take full blame. He's allowed his congressional body to be taken over by an insane minority and done so because he's afraid for his job.
He's a spineless shit.
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