Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Next time you make an account here in GAF, try not to make it so obvious so that people can't find your comments on other forums in minutes, like:
Digital Foundry: Microsoft to unlock more GPU power for Xbox One developers
- Thread starter DaSorcerer7
- Start date
Next time you make an account here in GAF, try not to make it so obvious so that people can't find your comments on other forums in minutes, like:
Lol, you are trying way too hard.
I'm a CS graduate with 10 years IT experience, I know how multi-tasking works.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Every high end PS4 game? You're reaching if you think that. Of course the best looking PS4 games easily beat Ryse though.
Says who? Troll post deserves a troll response. If you would have said the Dark Sorcerer or The Order, i would have agreed. We know ps4 is much more powerful than xbox one. The games don't show it yet despite time to triangle, more memory available. But when you say by far....
Different model for cutscenes vs gameplay.
Npcs are low res/polygon. Ok this is pre-alpha, but why didn't the e3 footage look better?
Ryse has some flaws i agree. But shouldn't every ps4 game look better? Honest question.
It may surprise you but some developers are better than others at making games. The hardware specs only tell you the raw power, the developers show how much of that power is used effectively.
The games definitely show it right now, Killzone is probably the best looking game at these consoles Launch, and it is doing it at 1080/60 in multiplayer.
EDIT: Is that 150k Marius btw? thought so.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Sure ryse has beautiful character models but when you look at the environments they're not very dense. And it's same with forza. Sure it looks pretty but when you consider the baked lighting and everything else there's nothing impressive going on either.
Petalpusher
Banned
That kind of comparisons is always funny, it's like comparing GTA models to Last of Us , both are awesome on their own, considering context and constraints.
Wishmaster92
Member
What is on rails? I thought the combat vidoc i saw showed medium level environments, although not open world by any means yeah. But why doesn't infamous look better than Ryse if it's running on better hardware? I'm not trying to start anything, i just want to have a discussion on this.
I agree on the 900p since infamous is running at 1080p.
Portugeezer
Member
What a bargain.
Open world games can't use as much resources for graphics. It's why something like GTA doesn't look as good as Uncharted.
DafuQ XBOunity
from Eurogamer:
"edit again, 1.31 now still upset about 14:4 and the unbalance of the ps4.... neogaf is crying right now.
dat epicness"
You guys are gonna love this one.
Googled "XBOunity" and found this little nugget.
XBOUnity wrote:
"thuway said that SONY could overclock the GPU to get 2.34 tflops later in the generation. guys sounds like full of shit but he actually is a supposed insider. Sensji schooled this guy, and got banned at neogaf for it. what a sony nuthugging site that is, ill take systemwars over that anyday of the week.
dat epicness"
Googled "XBOunity" and found this little nugget.
XBOUnity wrote:
"thuway said that SONY could overclock the GPU to get 2.34 tflops later in the generation. guys sounds like full of shit but he actually is a supposed insider. Sensji schooled this guy, and got banned at neogaf for it. what a sony nuthugging site that is, ill take systemwars over that anyday of the week.
dat epicness"
Consoles can use a different form of multitasking compared to desktops though, you don't need to draw a console app if it isn't visible (nor a desktop one) and you also don't really need to do any computation on it either unless it requires it (ala the suspend model like the iphone).
LukasTaves
Member
I'm sure it's not a single 50mbish buffer in killzone, that's probably 4 or even more buffers, that can be swapped on esram (Even if it was a single buffer, you could split it on DDR3 and esram, if size was absolutely a problem).
Here's an interesting proportion comparing the xbone to 360: The resolution (720p to 1080p) increased 2.25 times, but the memory pool size is 3.2 times bigger. So 32mb is less limiting to 1080p than 10mb were for 720p. If we talk about ROP counts, the disparity is even higher, because xbone has 3.4 more fillrate than 360.
So, we can guesstimate how xbone will handle itself in 1080p, but looking how 360 handled 720. It's going to be better, because it has proportionally 40% extra grunt (memory and fillrate) to handle the target resolution, and because esram now is much less limiting on how those buffers can be set up.
Looks can be subjective. Technical aspects can not. So please state how technically KZ is by FAR more advanced than Ryse.
Wishmaster92
Member
Really? What about the poster i responded too?
Sorry, i edited that part out. I meant most high-end ps4 games.
krypt0nian
Banned
XBOUnity, Behind the Lines at SonyGAF - next on channel 11
TetraGenesis
Member
Grimløck;84337493 said:
Like it was a brilliant deduction with a name like "XBOunity" hahaha
lolque....? Second Son DOES look better than Ryse.... Was that a joke post?
killatopak
Member
Yup NeoGAF is crying. Crying for you.
SwiftDeath
Member
Unlock is disingenuous in my opinion
Should be free or re-purpose
It's not like it ain't being used initially
Should be free or re-purpose
It's not like it ain't being used initially
Says who? Troll post deserves a troll response. If you would have said the Dark Sorcerer or The Order, i would have agreed. We know ps4 is much more powerful than xbox one. The games don't show it yet despite time to triangle, more memory available. But when you say by far....
Different model for cutscenes vs gameplay.
Npcs are low res/polygon. Ok this is pre-alpha, but why didn't the e3 footage look better?
Ryse has some flaws i agree. But shouldn't most high-end ps4 games look better? Honest question.
You're comparing the graphics of a 1080p open world game to Ryse? Really?
SHADES
Member
PMSL, the thread that keeps giving, love it.
Chobel
Member
Why would you need to reserve fixed GPU time for multitasking?
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Wow... Bish and the other mods are gonna love seeing this. I hope you enjoyed your stay on NeoGAF so far, junior. Your time is almost up.
Edit: My comment was already too late, lol.
You mean foliage that is rendered to horizon means nothing?
---
They havent changed anything to the head. They cant, their joints tech would fall off and they would have to adjust every animation.
---
Thats not how CryEngine works, sorry. The only difference if Ryse was open world, would be different LoD transitions [more aggressive], everything else would look the same.
Petalpusher
Banned
Delsin Rowe lacks shiny helmets.
Wishmaster92
Member
Makes sense then, thanks.
Regarding the 150k Marius, yeah it's from the e3 footage. I could link you to the recent twitch stream version, he looks no different.
phosphor112
Banned
Once again, this isn't taking account into deferred rendering, which is basically the standard. They are still using the basic buffer equation of ( x * y * bit ). Also, they aren't calculating AA. Sure MSAA is basically useless at this point (even with it's high quality, it leaves a lot of shader aliasing), but not having the ability for MSAA removes the ability to do SMAA, which use both MSAA and MLAA techniques to achieve a really high quality IQ without the need for a fully MSAA process hit.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Although I disagree with him your sort of post is fucking annoying. Why be so patronising
They're not launch games, though. I think games like Killzone and Ryse are making trade-offs because they have to be ready at launch so it kind of sucks when you compare games that have the benefit of months of extra development time to games that go gold in a couple of weeks.
Granted, the only thing MS has showed outside of launch window is Titanfall and Quantum Break, but the former isn't exactly a graphical showpiece.
Insane Metal
Member
BTW this is from the first showing of the game
Is it still looking like that in later builds?
Is it still looking like that in later builds?
This doesn't change anything from previous threads, lol...
We were always comparing 1.84 and 1.31 Tflops from the beginning we never accounted for the 10% Microsoft supposedly reserved for the OS.
768*.854*2 = 1311.744 Gflops
1152*2*.800 = 1843.2 Gflops
(1.84-1.31)/1.31 = 40.5% difference.
Now we learn at launch the Xbox One has reserved 10% for the OS so the power difference at launch will be:
1.31-(.10*1.31) = 1.18 Tflops
(1.84-1.18)/1.18 = 55.6% difference at launch in Tflops.
So nothing really changes in the theoretical difference in hardware when the reserved power is released in the future. The difference in theoretical max Tflops will still be 40.5% unless something else changes.
We were always comparing 1.84 and 1.31 Tflops from the beginning we never accounted for the 10% Microsoft supposedly reserved for the OS.
768*.854*2 = 1311.744 Gflops
1152*2*.800 = 1843.2 Gflops
(1.84-1.31)/1.31 = 40.5% difference.
Now we learn at launch the Xbox One has reserved 10% for the OS so the power difference at launch will be:
1.31-(.10*1.31) = 1.18 Tflops
(1.84-1.18)/1.18 = 55.6% difference at launch in Tflops.
So nothing really changes in the theoretical difference in hardware when the reserved power is released in the future. The difference in theoretical max Tflops will still be 40.5% unless something else changes.
JonathanPower
Member
Well, the games will indeed look a lot better without the youtube compression artifacts, that's for sure.
I'm actually fed up of your constant defense of Crytek, do you have shares or something?
btw, you can change poly's on joints...
Wishmaster92
Member
No it's not. Care to do a comparison? I know infamous has way better particles though. Not really good with much graphical terms though.
I tried finding the best footage for infamous which i got from gamersyde. Killzone was a mix of yt and gamersyde video captures.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Reading through the thread I'm amazed by the lack comprehension of the article by some people. This isn't some magical boost to close a gap when the original gap was for the raw specs to begin with! This makes it even wider in comparison when they just admitted they reserved 10%.
Heck, the PS4 probably has it's own reservation for the OS take takes it right back to the previous gap for all we know, but this article doesn't paint a picture of performance getting closer at all.
Heck, the PS4 probably has it's own reservation for the OS take takes it right back to the previous gap for all we know, but this article doesn't paint a picture of performance getting closer at all.
He was stating an opinion. You were trying to use screenshots to prove an opinion. You can disagree with him, but using a cutscene face and comparing it to ingame jeans in a open world game is trying too hard.
SwiftDeath
Member
Thank you
Was looking for someone to lay down the numbers
I wouldn't be surprised if the PS4 reserves some GPU as well but doubt it would be as much as 10%
Or has someone confirmed no GPU reserve on PS4?
Chobel
Member
KZ:SF use deferred rendering, so it's single Gbuffer >40mb. How do you split a single buffer?
funkystudent
Member
Looks like the XBOunity has been collected.
killatopak
Member
Because it runs at 1080p 50+ FPS and is not scheduled to release until February?
Imagine that rendered with another 10% of GPU powah! It'd be darn near film quality!
fastford58
Member
Wow...what a clown shoe.
killatopak
Member
lol at "dat epicness" feels like a reoccuring buzzword of his.
HORRORSHØW
Member
I loled.
The title makes the info sound like it's going to be way more interesting than it is. I also don't think it was Microsoft's intent to confirm that the main number everyone is comparing with the PS4 is actually lower than we thought. Hopefully they get these OS reductions out sooner than later.
SwiftDeath
Member
Damn it he's right
The facial animations in Driveclub are in no way on par with those in Ryse
#PREORDERCANCELLED
No one has confirmed it, but it appears to be around 0, I personally would guess around 1% for pop ups, then again they could just slow the game progress down a little.
Another possibility is if it gives you a preview window of yourself if your video commenting on a stream, but then again they *should* make the preview optional and so still at 1% or so.
Personally I think it would be silly of Sony to have a reserve for the single ability of a stream preview window.