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Seems mostly harmless, but I'm a flirt myself, I love the mindless ego-boosting.

Details missing:
- How old are you and her?
- Were the flowers for the roommate?
- Does she still refer to you as boyfriend?

- We're in our early twenties.
- She said they were, and she said her roomie knew who they might be from
- Yes, she does and her friends know I am her boyfriend.

Edit: Additionally, we are around campus together often. Like, it's obvious we're a couple, and we do try to keep the PDA at a minimum even though it's hard. But there is PDA.

But I do get the flirting with others, it's fun, when done to a limit. It is entirely possible that she might have been trying to make me jealous, she mentioned previously that she sometimes feels a bit jealous when I'm around my friends that happen to be girls, and also she asked me if I ever was jealous of her (I just said on occasion, but that was before this). If this is the case, how could one best handle this jealousy? I did affirm her that she's my girlfriend, and no one else. Funnily enough, I'm starting to want to hear that myself. I don't know, maybe I'm blowing this a bit out of proportion in my mind, and this is harmless.
 
Asked this one girl out for coffee, I stuttered a bit, but she said she'd be willing to do it next week. I asked for her number, she said she would give it next week....what?

I have to sit behind her in a class for the rest of this semester.
 
Its just her being polite, man. She's not interested in you. :( Good that you had the courage to ask her out, take that and find someone else! Eventually you will find a girl who likes you. :)
 
Question about girlfriend being touchy with specific guy:

I just need some perspective. We are at about 5 months in of our relationship and are quite affectionate with each other and have frequents dates and sex. So this guy who was good friends with her from her previous work a year or so ago transferred to our college. Background on her, she seems to be a bit of a flirt, complimenting guys and girls alike. Like "oh she has a great butt," or "that shirt looks good on [other person]."



  1. So upon their first meeting she gave him a huge hug, threw me off a bit, but ok, whatever.
  2. Second weird thing she catches us wearing a similar jacket and casually mentions she seems to fall in love with people with that jacket, but quickly changed the subject as if she said something she shouldn't have.
  3. She randomly got roses and calls me up to ask if they're from me. They weren't. I worry a bit she might be getting stalked, so she asks her roommate. Finally she says it's probably her roommate's.
  4. Fourth and maybe worst, is we're talking in a group and he comes in and she says hi to him and - the best word I can muster is gently - caresses his face, twice. Also, quickly she tries to compose herself as if she forgot what she did. All through these events, I maintained composure and remained calm while staying friendly with the chap.

I am not an abnormally jealous guy, but I smell something fishy here. Could this be nothing but friendly banter? Is this an old ex who is coming to "wreck my shit?" Can exes remain friends with a girl without rekindling anything? Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

She is doing all this shit on purpose. She loves the attention.
 
Its just her being polite, man. She's not interested in you. :( Good that you had the courage to ask her out, take that and find someone else! Eventually you will find a girl who likes you. :)

Really tho I'm ok. Atleast I know. And I can take that. I just wish I could've taken better control of the situation, but part of me thought this would've went better if she was actually into it. I did small talk before class started and it was going great but man, when I actually asked. It was the most awkward I've ever been. But hey that happens.

Just so glad I got that out there.
 
Really tho I'm ok. Atleast I know. And I can take that. I just wish I could've taken better control of the situation, but part of me thought this would've went better if she was actually into it. I did small talk before class started and it was going great but man, when I actually asked. It was the most awkward I've ever been. But hey that happens.

Just so glad I got that out there.

the first step is the toughest. good on you for doing it!
 
I don't know. I've heard positive things about OkCupid. Should I go there ? What are the alternatives ?

I'm liking the idea of Tinder. Initial match is based on physical attraction, and it's pretty hassle free. Have a conversation and see how things go.

I've never liked the idea of online dating profiles, as they're pretty meaningless and most of all, they only display a fabricated persona.
 
I'm liking the idea of Tinder. Initial match is based on physical attraction, and it's pretty hassle free. Have a conversation and see how things go.
My Tinder success rate is like 0%. Nearly no matches, the few that I do never get a conversation started (besides spambots). Maybe my pictures are bad, or maybe my profile text is a pile of red flags, I dunno.
 
Need advice regarding the first kiss. I screwed up with my last 2 girlfriends. I want to make this memorable. How many dates is the norm?
Edit: I know its not the end of the world if I screw up but i really want to make it special
 
Need advice regarding the first kiss. I screwed up with my last 2 girlfriends. I want to make this memorable. How many dates is the norm?
Edit: I know its not the end of the world if I screw up but i really want to make it special

End of the first date if she's receptive.

I'm fucking clueless so I basically just said "I had a great time, can I end it like this?" as I put my arm around her and pulled her in.
 
End of the first date if she's receptive.

I'm fucking clueless so I basically just said "I had a great time, can I end it like this?" as I put my arm around her and pulled her in.

Ya, I did something like that once and got rejected lol
Then with the other one, I just thought screw it, I'm going in. It ended up really awkward.
 
End of the first date if she's receptive.

I'm fucking clueless so I basically just said "I had a great time, can I end it like this?" as I put my arm around her and pulled her in.

The bolded should be capitalized, italicized, and underlined. I have a rule when it comes to the end of the date kiss - If I need to think about whether she's ok with it at the moment when it's do or die, then I don't do it. Not kissing on the first date is not a dealbreaker. I've known too many people who've hugged, kissed on the cheek, or even *cringe* shook hands at the end of their first dates only to end up in bed with each other 2 dates later. It's not worth the headache.

Just feel it out over the course of the date, and don't feel pressured into it.
 
Quite honestly, more often than not on a first date I'll err on the side of caution and not go for a kiss. It eliminates the awkwardness and adds a level of respect. Wait until you see if you get a second date first.

There is too much over thinking going on in this thread.
 
What do you guys/girls think of this lady?

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Holy crap tl;dr.
While its nice to explain your feelings that is too much shit. She typed conversations worth of content into her profile. I did a tl;dr for most of that.
I actually read all of it. Information overload.
How does she look? I need to know if the crazy:attractive ratio is working correctly.
I'm not a good one to judge but maybe a 6 or 7 out of 10?
I've never been on an online dating site, but do these profiles usually read so arrogantly?
No to the extent she does. In part of my message (I sent one for the hell of it), I called her out on one thing she said:
Me said:
"When I have some extra money, I plan on taking an official IQ test, so that I can join the leagues of geniuses in MENSA."

Why do you care about joining MENSA? It perplexes me to read someone so capable desiring to being accepted into an elitist group based on a vastly simplified determinant of intelligence. Your accomplishments speak for themselves, isn't that enough? Sorry to be so critical, I just don't hold much value in an IQ score. It's what people do that matters; IQ only shows potential, nothing more.
I won't be upset if she doesn't respond lol
 
I actually read all of it. Information overload.
It's kind of hard to be a judge on length of profile on sites like this, and people tend to have all sorts of different standards, but that, by all definition, is just spilling stuff all over the place.

I'm all for open book, but god damn, what's there left to talk about?
 
the first step is the toughest. good on you for doing it!

After having slept on the fact that she isn't interested, I'm sorta depressed now that I'm basically alone now. I know it's only a temporary feeling but still a feeling in itself. I know she was being polite, But honestly, fuck that. I had the balls to ask, they need to have the balls to say no. But I'm not trying to shift the blame, she does not owe me anything. It's just the ambiguity of the situation just leaves me depressed and confused and generally unproductive. Having all this in the back of my head is not helping and I'm sure it's bothering her as well.

Dating is awkward and horrible but it is what it is
 
Now here comes my rant of the night:

So long story short, there's a girl I've been getting to know via Facebook. Of course, I think she's cool with me and it turns out she is single, but she likes to make out with different guys.

Now, is that a big deal? I was thinking it'd be cool to see where it goes, so tonight I went to a club she was at to meet her for the first time, and go to find she was making out with another guy.

I know she makes out with different guys, but it's still .... this feeling of a lost opportunity. If I came earlier, would I have been that guy? I feel that I had a chance but I didn' take it, and because of that I feel this annoyed frustration.

And NOT to mention, i went to this club instead fo another club with a girl that actually liked me texted me that she was going to be at...

Guys, why do we do this to ourselves? Create a crush out of a woman that's a dime a dozen when it comes to appearance, attach importance t her - even when when we know not to - but we FUCKING DO IT ANYWAY. Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

/end
 
After having slept on the fact that she isn't interested, I'm sorta depressed now that I'm basically alone now. I know it's only a temporary feeling but still a feeling in itself. I know she was being polite, But honestly, fuck that. I had the balls to ask, they need to have the balls to say no. But I'm not trying to shift the blame, she does not owe me anything.
What do you say if you go meet a girl, have a great time, and then she ignores you from then on? Happened to me recently. In an ideal world girls would just say "no" and give you closure. Never happens that way. Do you have family and friends? You're not alone.
 
She wants a pet friend who will understand her and be there for her while she fucks the asshole who ignored that wall of text.

lol damn



also guy from the girls long profile post, you already put a huge amount of effort in a girl that has not even responded to you

why
 
Geez, it's meant to be an overview not a 2000 word essay. Wouldn't bother messaging or reading.
~3000 words
She wants a pet friend who will understand her and be there for her while she fucks the asshole who ignored that wall of text.
lol
lol damn



also guy from the girls long profile post, you already put a huge amount of effort in a girl that has not even responded to you

why
Are you referring to me?
 
Yeah.

I just thought it was a little bit funny like you're out shopping "Hey guys, what you think about this one? Only 59.95!


Dont take it wrong though :p Has she responded yet?
How have I put in a lot of effort? I read her (entertaining) profile, took a picture to share on GAF because it's unusual, and sent a short message.

She hasn't read the message yet.
 
How have I put in a lot of effort? I read her (entertaining) profile, took a picture to share on GAF because it's unusual, and sent a short message.

She hasn't read the message yet.
In the grand scheme of things, that effort isn't that big of a deal but it does take an unusual amount of effort to read all that. What if everyone wrote that much? geez :S You did go out of your way to post it and everything though, which I think wsa Raiden's point. Funny post though so no matter.
 
In the grand scheme of things, that effort isn't that big of a deal but it does take an unusual amount of effort to read all that. What if everyone wrote that much? geez :S You did go out of your way to post it and everything though, which I think wsa Raiden's point. Funny post though so no matter.
Meh.

Going on a walk tomorrow in support of reducing the stigma toward mental illness. Great place to meet women, right? :P
 
This is purely hypothetical for me but I have a few questions.

1) how much chivalry is appropriate on a for-real platonic meet up/"date"?

2) how about if it's platonic but I wish it wasn't?

3) and just for completeness' sake, how about if it's platonic and I like it that way but the other person wishes it wasn't?

1) in general, any behaviour which is out of character will hit you later in the face like a flaming boomerang with spikes all over it. If you are sensitive and you are empathetic to the needs of others, by all means do wear your chivalry on your sleeve.
Inconsistency in behaviour is the number one reason why people use the word creepy. Say there's an overweight girl who's on OKC with a profile pic 1) where she shows her face and then 2-3) a full body pic which shows she's heavy-set. She knows the general consensus about body weight and she is upfront about it. Her profile is cool. You think "maybe I'll give her a call".
Then you browse the profile of a girl with the cutest face ever, she has three pics of her face in each pic slot and nothing else, all taken from weird angles. She says she is positive, honest and confident, that she doesn't like cheaters and liars.
Then you either meet her or you keep chatting on OKC and she sends full pictures, and then you see she is just as overweight as the other girl. Not only that but she also hides under long shirts, everything she has on herself is coloured in black and she keeps making self-deprecating jokes about her weight. How many other things would this girl lie about? Is she really confident if she cannot accept her weight and doing nothing about it? Could this be another girl who's overweight and says she wants to be "respected" while the entire time she dated and slept with guys who told her to her face how fat she is?
2) there are two ways to get out of platonic: a sneaky way and an honest way.
Sneaky way is be her friend and every single time she complains about her boyfriend or about some guy she wants to date, take the side of the guy. This imply you are taking their roles: the guy makes fun of her? you say she is too uptight and she needs to learn to take jokes. the guy wants her to dress as unnoticeable as possible because he has uncontrollable fits of jealousy? you tell her she should meet his expectations as he meets hers. The guy made her wait for half-hour? tell her to learn to deal with someone who has a job/active life/dedication to sports and to respect the fact that this someone made the time to meet with her.
This projects all the qualities she looks for in a guy (she is complaining about it but she keeps going for him) onto you, and it also reverts any games she is playing on you if she is using you as a crutch to comfort her in time of need and nothing else.
The honest way is simply refusing to talk about other guys at all: you tell her she knows you have feelings for her and that you are not going to play best friend because that's not what you want. You stick to what you want and you accept nothing else: you keep behaving as chivalrous as you are, you help her when she needs it (without ever making a sacrifice you'll regret later) and you listen to her when she talks about all the shit her best friend did to her the last time they took a trip together, but you never allow talk about boyfriends, hook-ups, first experiences, or anything else connected to love and relationships. Your way or the highway.
If she can't accept that you have to be consistent and stay away from her. This road has no turning back: it's all or nothing, but the pro about it is that if you are not dealing with a tease she will be as upfront as you have and she will give you a straight answer. Most times though, you'll end up with her guilt-tripping you for ruining the friendship, hiding your true feelings and trying to control her. This is because a lot of people (guys and girls) who are in weird friendships enjoy the power of an ambiguous relationship, but they can't handle the responsibilities that come with it. Which is to say that technically, when you are in platonic friendship and it fails miserably, the fault is on both parties, who both claimed to be unaware of what was really going on.
3) you dodge the bullet with "I'm in love with this girl...", "I can't get over my ex", "I don't want anything serious right now", "I'll be gone next month for work/travel, we'll talk when I'm back" (and then you "forget" about it), "we are too similar", or the old, honest, plain "I don't see you that way". If the friendship is true they'll get the hint and they will grow out of it. There's plenty of guys and girls who won't make you feel bad for a love-confession and they will be consistent with their answers, meaning they won't twist the knife and they will forget about it as if it never happened. But then you have all this passive-aggressive people who are literally waiting for you to confess so they can play "everyone loves me but there is only one me, OMG it's so tragic". Then passive-aggressive he/she gets sad and...keeps going for the guy/girl who doesn't answer his/her calls and replies to every message with a single emoticon and a sarcastic joke. And then you have "hey guys, what do you think he/she meant when he/she said "I have no time for you right now"? Do you think he/she is angry at me? but what did I do? do you think I should give him/her space? three days you say? but I love her/him! why is he/she doing this? Am I overthinking it? He/she said he/she was busy at work, I believe him/her".
And so on and so on.
 
What do you guys/girls think of this lady?
1) way too much text.

2) automatic point loss for calling herself "interesting". That's for everyone else to decide; nearly everyone thinks they themselves are interesting.

3) "meow-faces"? ugh. (and I like cats.)

4) in general, I hate it when people say they have a sense of humor. Most people do, but the specific things they find funny are what's important and almost no one can (or does) articulate it well.

... I couldn't finish reading the rest.

BTW, OK Cupid profiles are searchable, so one could easily pick out the unique phrases in that profile and find her profile.

2) there are two ways to get out of platonic: a sneaky way and an honest way.
I don't have the sneakiness to deal with the sneaky way. I think I'mma go for a combination of moving on and honest way.
 
I'm gonna throw away my rejection fear this week and ask a gal at my work out. She has been active dating through a dating site but no success so far from what I've heard. Lately your advice makes more and more sense - just ask someone you might like out and big deal if she rejects you, at least I know what i'm up to with her and some experience gained regarding asking girls out.

Good thing to contact a friend of hers to ask when she has to work or is that a no no?

My first "story" didn't turn out that well or rather, I never accepted her invitation... I could still ask her out in the future but as of now she doesn't know anything - maybe I have just wanted to like her and ask her out but I don't know - probably still this rejection fear I have. I have no problems talking to her but asking her out back then.. hard thing lol.
 
What do you guys/girls think of this lady?

She seems a little vain and hyper, like the kind of person who would be really nice to talk to for a few moments but would drive you insane if you were stuck sitting next to them on a long flight or something. That's way too much information. Since the guy will know everything about her prior to the first date, she's going to be questioning him the whole time, and it's up to him to keep the conversation going.
 
So I met with my recently ex-girlfriend last night to give her stuff back. We had a talk for a little while. I don't know what I should have expected. I suppose I was hoping to get some perspective on why she broke up with me. All I ended up doing was making her cry.

She tells me that she really enjoyed being with me. That she could have seen herself staying with this for months or years. It was very comfortable. It was safe. But she never felt "swept off her feet." She never felt "head-over-heels" about it. So there was apparently always some kind of doubt. So if she was going to break it off eventually, she thought it was better to just do it now. I told her I thought she had some unrealistic expectations for what a relationship is supposed to be.

Am I just being cynical or jaded? Is it not enough to feel comforted and secure with someone? To have fun with each other? Does there need to be some ineffable, extra thing in there?

Also, we had some stuff planned for a couple of weeks from now and she tells me that she still wants to do it. I really enjoy spending time with this woman so I really want to keep doing these things with her. It's going to be hard, though. I don't really know how to handle that.

No, I don't think you're being cynical or jaded. But from you told me about her last relationship I can tell you that going through a divorce can absolutely change what you expect out of your relationships. It's different for everyone obviously but I can understand why she wants to feel "swept off her feet". Personally, I can tell you that I am much less patient with relationships and a bit quicker to decide whether or not to continue seeing someone. Maybe I've given up on relationships too soon, maybe not. I don't expect to be 'swept off my feet' because I don't know if I believe in it or if i'd trust a feeling like that.

Another thing to consider is that she might be scared and afraid of getting hurt. Gun shy and not even realize it.

I'm somewhat surprised to hear her say she still wants to do whatever it is in a couple of weeks. Regardless of what she wants I'd be careful getting together with her. You obviously still care about her but it might make it harder to let go.
 
What do you say if you go meet a girl, have a great time, and then she ignores you from then on? Happened to me recently. In an ideal world girls would just say "no" and give you closure. Never happens that way. Do you have family and friends? You're not alone.

Alone isn't the best word to describe it. I just feel so empty after having been turned down. Again I know this is all temporary but still. I mean hey it's cool she said next week and also I'll have her number next week (which basically means a no), now I know!" But then I'm "like okay, what else is next? Nothing?" That's what's on my mind. Besides the endless post-game coverage of me fucking up asking her I replay in my head.

I guess that's life tho.

she never said no tho :)

yeah she did :(
 
Alone isn't the best word to describe it. I just feel so empty after having been turned down. Again I know this is all temporary but still. I mean hey it's cool she said next week and also I'll have her number next week (which basically means a no), now I know!" But then I'm "like okay, what else is next? Nothing?" That's what's on my mind. Besides the endless post-game coverage of me fucking up asking her I replay in my head.

I guess that's life tho.

she never said no tho :)

yeah she did :(

If you really want closure, just go ask her again or something. Worst case scenario, she flat out rejects you this time, best case scenario, she's impressed by your persistence and actually gives you her number.

In my opinion if its just some random girl there's literally nothing at all to lose, so why not. Also will get rid of any doubt you had about it.
 
Alone isn't the best word to describe it. I just feel so empty after having been turned down. Again I know this is all temporary but still. I mean hey it's cool she said next week and also I'll have her number next week (which basically means a no), now I know!" But then I'm "like okay, what else is next? Nothing?" That's what's on my mind. Besides the endless post-game coverage of me fucking up asking her I replay in my head.

I guess that's life tho.

she never said no tho :)

yeah she did :(


In these kinds of situations, I tell myself "It's not over until I say it is." Give her some time, THINK OF SOMETHING REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD TO SAY, and try again.

And don't even think about asking about that number (or talking to her at all) next week. Or the week after.
 
Asking her again would really help a lot. To clarify some things. I mean I did it once already it should be easier the second time. Especially since she knows what she would be getting into If she's talking to me.
 
Broke up with my GF of 4+ years like... ... two years ago. But today I just happened to glance at her FB and saw a bunch of pics of her kissing on another dude - looks like they're dating. Man, it stings more than I would have expected. I mean, I know it was for the best - and ultimately, I'm sure I'll find someone much better. She was great; loved her company and it was a pretty great relationship - and I wish her well - but I can't say she was perfect for me. Anyway, it's been on the back of my mind all day now - probably will forget about it in a few days; but I'm def a tad "down."
 
Broke up with my GF of 4+ years like... ... two years ago. But today I just happened to glance at her FB and saw a bunch of pics of her kissing on another dude - looks like they're dating. Man, it stings more than I would have expected. I mean, I know it was for the best - and ultimately, I'm sure I'll find someone much better. She was great; loved her company and it was a pretty great relationship - and I wish her well - but I can't say she was perfect for me. Anyway, it's been on the back of my mind all day now - probably will forget about it in a few days; but I'm def a tad "down."
Having a hot ex is the worst thing you can ever do to yourself.
 
Is there some golden rule regarding asking people out that work at stores?

Always wondered this. It seems like given their job, they are kind of forced to talk to you and it makes the whole thing feel really weird and unfair for them. Not to mention the fact that a lot of the time, the charm or pleasant attitude they have is most likely not genuine.
 
Having a hot ex is the worst thing you can ever do to yourself.
What if you only date hot people? D:

Is there some golden rule regarding asking people out that work at stores?

Always wondered this. It seems like given their job, they are kind of forced to talk to you and it makes the whole thing feel really weird and unfair for them. Not to mention the fact that a lot of the time, the charm or pleasant attitude they have is most likely not genuine.
I've seen it work but mostly with waiters. (Writing your number on the receipt.) That kind of takes away the unfairness for the situation since they don't have to directly deal with you if they don't want to.

I don't think it's something I could personally do but I've also been asked out by people working the cash register which kind of has a lot of the same weirdness. If they're polite and cool about it though, it's not as weird or unpleasant as it could be.

It's one of those things where it really depends on the person and I can see some people not caring about it and others being really frustrated with it. So basically, my point is, there doesn't seem to be a golden rule, no. :P
 
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