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I just want to know what I can do to keep a conversation going after the basic "how are you" and "hows (insert hobby or work here)" questions don't give me anything new to talk about,
Well, it kinda requires that the other person also be into the conversation. But assuming they are, IMO it's about listening and about talking to the other person. They're going to hopefully offer more than a simple answer to your question. Pick up on that, and follow it, and by the same token, when someone asks you something, answer fully (but don't go on so long that you dominate the conversation and bore them) and fill in with some tangential details. Give them a few things they can pick up on and talk about.

(contrived example:)
If person A asks "how was work?" and B says "fine," then there's not much to do there. You'll have to restart the conversation.

If B says "fine. Oh hey, today outside my office there was a guy who messed up parallel parking for 15 minutes straight and hit both other cars on his way in", then you could let it drop (why???) or you could try to follow the thread with a car parking story of your own, maybe develop it into how you learned to drive and then your relationship with your parents or your friends when you were learning to drive. Just listen to who you're talking to. Not listen so you know when it's "your turn to talk" and can get out a rehearsed line, listen so you follow what they're saying and take turns ping-ponging it back and forth.

None of this really helps that much if the person you're talking is trying to blow you off, though.
 
I really can't get into the online dating scene. I try but I have no idea what to write to initiate conversation. In person especially after a drink I am pretty good at social interaction but being in a new city not really knowing anyone to go out with makes that situation scarce. Any tips on starting a conversation with someone on a dating website?
 
None of this really helps that much if the person you're talking is trying to blow you off, though.

It's never that they're trying to blow me off. Sometimes when I'm out with friends I end up having to guide the conversation around random silence and short answers for a while until they begin actually participating in the conversation. For some reason, people that I don't see often are the people that I have the longest conversations with, and people that I'm close with will initially give the shortest answers and take longer to get talking.
 
I don't know if this is a place to vent or not...but I also need some advice..

Started college this year and made a close tight knit study group of about 4-5 people. We would go out and get dinner a couple times a week, do things on weekends together. There was this one girl in the group who I got along with really well and who I thought was cute so I asked her out for coffee one night. We went out and had a good time and before I dropped her off at home we made out a bit...but mid makeout she stopped and said she couldn't do it anymore because she didn't want a failed relationship to ruin our group of friends and it would be better off to stay friends. It's not even like we've been friends for a long time though! The study group has only been together 3 weeks!

We then talked for a bit about it and apparently she was talking to her friend earlier about me and she told her to just stay friends with me for the sake of the study group.

The only reason I went out with the study group after hours was to get closer to this girl!

Doesn't help that I really like her and have every single class with her.
 
I don't know if this is a place to vent or not...but I also need some advice..

Started college this year and made a close tight knit study group of about 4-5 people. We would go out and get dinner a couple times a week, do things on weekends together. There was this one girl in the group who I got along with really well and who I thought was cute so I asked her out for coffee one night. We went out and had a good time and before I dropped her off at home we made out a bit...but mid makeout she stopped and said she couldn't do it anymore because she didn't want a failed relationship to ruin our group of friends and it would be better off to stay friends. It's not even like we've been friends for a long time though! The study group has only been together 3 weeks!

We then talked for a bit about it and apparently she was talking to her friend earlier about me and she told her to just stay friends with me for the sake of the study group.

The only reason I went out with the study group after hours was to get closer to this girl!

Doesn't help that I really like her and have every single class with her.

I hate it when reality and expectations get in the way of inter-personal relationships, theres so many factors and multi layered complexities to it.

it truely is mind boggling to think of all.

either pursue or abandon the choice is yours batman.
 
I don't know if this is a place to vent or not...but I also need some advice..

Started college this year and made a close tight knit study group of about 4-5 people. We would go out and get dinner a couple times a week, do things on weekends together. There was this one girl in the group who I got along with really well and who I thought was cute so I asked her out for coffee one night. We went out and had a good time and before I dropped her off at home we made out a bit...but mid makeout she stopped and said she couldn't do it anymore because she didn't want a failed relationship to ruin our group of friends and it would be better off to stay friends. It's not even like we've been friends for a long time though! The study group has only been together 3 weeks!

We then talked for a bit about it and apparently she was talking to her friend earlier about me and she told her to just stay friends with me for the sake of the study group.

The only reason I went out with the study group after hours was to get closer to this girl!

Doesn't help that I really like her and have every single class with her.


Jeff Winger?
 
Well the date wasn't bad...but yeah I don't really feel attracted to her and we don't have all that much in common. Problem is, she was really intent on making plans on Friday and I just kind of nodded...it kind of caught me off guard and I didn't really know how to let her down in person, so I feel a bit bad for that. I'll do it tomorrow...don't want to let it go on for longer than it has to.
 
I don't know if this is a place to vent or not...but I also need some advice..

Started college this year and made a close tight knit study group of about 4-5 people. We would go out and get dinner a couple times a week, do things on weekends together. There was this one girl in the group who I got along with really well and who I thought was cute so I asked her out for coffee one night. We went out and had a good time and before I dropped her off at home we made out a bit...but mid makeout she stopped and said she couldn't do it anymore because she didn't want a failed relationship to ruin our group of friends and it would be better off to stay friends. It's not even like we've been friends for a long time though! The study group has only been together 3 weeks!

We then talked for a bit about it and apparently she was talking to her friend earlier about me and she told her to just stay friends with me for the sake of the study group.

The only reason I went out with the study group after hours was to get closer to this girl!

Doesn't help that I really like her and have every single class with her.

Just started University and I can kinda get a feel for your situation here. If you have other friends already established at your college, hang with them and let her know/tell her that she was the reason you were in the group at all. I realize this isn't the best advice, but this is the sort of tactic that has worked best for me thus far.
 
Been doing the whole eHarmony thing. Realized I'm a hopeless romantic, checked myself. Doing really well in SoCal for what it's worth.


Confidence is a helluva drug.
 
This is such bullshit. I will never understand why men latch onto women who do this. She KNOWS she's got you by the balls and thus can get whatever she wants from you AND whoever else she's dating and when she's bored she can drop you and go on about her merry way. And YOU'LL STILL CALL. God, I don't mean to attack you personally but I hate seeing guys get swallowed up in this bullshit.

Chill dude (I know you said you weren't attacking me, but still). I've already broken it off. We talked about things yesterday and decided it best.
 
Here's what you do...


Ask her if she heard that Johnny Depp's making a new Pirate movie.

and when she says no.

You say it's rated "Arrrrgh!"



Corny jokes work, people.

This. They do work. Heck, this one made me chuckle.

And teaching English in Taiwan? That's hours and hours of conversation right there. It even piqued my curiosity lol.
 
Just because I'm curious: have any of you had a moment where you thought a woman wanted you for your personality instead of your looks?
 
Just because I'm curious: have any of you had a moment where you thought a woman wanted you for your personality instead of your looks?

not a dating age regular but wanted to answer anyway.
Yeah I'm always getting complements on how interesting, yet laid back and happy I am :P

unfortunately you don't really get that off the bat as its difficult to get a gauge on someone's personality from first impressions
 
Just because I'm curious: have any of you had a moment where you thought a woman wanted you for your personality instead of your looks?
Not really. I think there are a lot of younger posters, and young people don't really search for personality as much as I'd hope. Maybe a couple ladies have actually liked me for me back in high school.

I was a weird kid in high school.
 
Just because I'm curious: have any of you had a moment where you thought a woman wanted you for your personality instead of your looks?

I would say all the time. I don't think I'm particularly great looking. Probably average, but I am regularly told that I have a great personality, good sense of humor and lots of good stories to share. It doesn't hurt that I'm fairly well traveled and have had some fun adventures.

In my opinion, my current girlfriend is ridiculously hot and far more attractive than I am, but we connected through personalities first and foremost. She thinks I'm smart and funny and she loves hearing my tales of far off places.
 
Just because I'm curious: have any of you had a moment where you thought a woman wanted you for your personality instead of your looks?

I'm sometimes told I have a nice smile. A few people I've dated in the past, including the Jewish girl recently, have also said I have captivating eyes. But to answer the question: no. I think there needs to be some level of physical attraction to 'fall' for someone. I think you can really like someone based on a great personality, but to desire them on that alone I don't think is possible. Maybe I'm just jaded or vain, though, as I've never been out with someone who I didn't feel a physical attraction to.
 
I'm sometimes told I have a nice smile. A few people I've dated in the past, including the Jewish girl recently, have also said I have captivating eyes. But to answer the question: no. I think there needs to be some level of physical attraction to 'fall' for someone. I think you can really like someone based on a great personality, but to desire them on that alone I don't think is possible. Maybe I'm just jaded or vain, though, as I've never been out with someone who I didn't feel a physical attraction to.

I'd agree with this to a degree. I think there always needs to be a level of physical attraction for things to work out. But as you get to know someone and like their personality, it can make someone more attractive than when you initially met them. I also believe that this is especially true for women.
 
We then talked for a bit about it and apparently she was talking to her friend earlier about me and she told her to just stay friends with me for the sake of the study group.

The only reason I went out with the study group after hours was to get closer to this girl!

I would find a way to drop out of the study group and see if you can continue working the relationship angle.
 
Theater acting or independent film?

This is a clever exercise :D Seems like you've made some extreme makeovers in your life, how come? What kind of chem plant was it? And what does treatment mean? Since you like movies, any particular role you'd like to play? What kind of movie genre would your life fit in (or which one would you like it to be?)

theater! but the key here, Zeemumu, is that you need to be able to follow up with whatever my answer is. are you _actually_ curious? do you not care? does this touch on any of your interests? you can use whichever answer I give to talk some about yourself too. oh, you like independent film? tell me more.

to Minamu, tested tank systems for petroleum. I am lucky enough to be financially blessed so I was able to pack up and leave. traveled the world for about 5 months. came home, went to taiwan because I loved it so much and got a job there, but now I am back.
regarding movies, I love true theater and not just movies. lots of plays adapted into movies are good with a good director like kenneth branagh who is a hottie patottie.
 
Just because I'm curious: have any of you had a moment where you thought a woman wanted you for your personality instead of your looks?

All of the guys I've dated I've been attracted to mostly (but not exclusively) because of their personality - they were all pretty average looking but their personalities made them hot.
 
All of the guys I've dated I've been attracted to mostly (but not exclusively) because of their personality - they were all pretty average looking but their personalities made them hot.

agreed completely. your personality is far more important than your looks, which is why it is important to be yourself and not try to fake it.
 
Just because I'm curious: have any of you had a moment where you thought a woman wanted you for your personality instead of your looks?

Yes, actually. She's my wife now and was WAY out of my league physically when I met her. She was hot, I was a 110 lb wimp. But I brought my A game and let my brains take over. Besides...I had nothing to lose. I was fresh out of a three year relationship, and figured that playing the field would be good for me. It was.

Now 11 years later, I look better, have some success under my belt and am more confident. Sure, we don't get to ravage each other as much as we used to or want to because we've procreated and the children take loads of time, but I know for sure that I'm still no ultra looker. That said, we played strip-chess this weekend instead of a standard operating procedure business fuck. I'm sure she didn't want to just look at me without clothes, she wanted to have fun with me because I'm a fun person.
 
theater! but the key here, Zeemumu, is that you need to be able to follow up with whatever my answer is. are you _actually_ curious? do you not care? does this touch on any of your interests? you can use whichever answer I give to talk some about yourself too. oh, you like independent film? tell me more.

to Minamu, tested tank systems for petroleum. I am lucky enough to be financially blessed so I was able to pack up and leave. traveled the world for about 5 months. came home, went to taiwan because I loved it so much and got a job there, but now I am back.
regarding movies, I love true theater and not just movies. lots of plays adapted into movies are good with a good director like kenneth branagh who is a hottie patottie.
Getting you to open up wasn't that hard ;) Like you say, being actually curious and showing you care is important. The chem treatment caught my eye because I don't know what that entails at all. The petroleum is quite intriguing to me at least. Sounds like an interesting job to find oneself in. Not that I think work and school are very good date topics, but that was genuinely interesting nonetheless :) Mr Branagh was funny in the Harry Potter movie haha. I just saw that he was in the Wallander tv series and that sounds interesting as well because of that fact.
 
Getting you to open up wasn't that hard ;) Like you say, being actually curious and showing you care is important. The chem treatment caught my eye because I don't know what that entails at all. The petroleum is quite intriguing to me at least. Sounds like an interesting job to find oneself in. Not that I think work and school are very good date topics, but that was genuinely interesting nonetheless :) Mr Branagh was funny in the Harry Potter movie haha. I just saw that he was in the Wallander tv series and that sounds interesting as well because of that fact.

honestly I just love his directing. I could watch his version of Hamlet forever. woooooooooo
 
The only reason I ask is because I think women have only been into me because of my looks. I've always been outgoing, funny, and quite social; but women either love me or absolutely don't care about my existence. I don't think I ever had a situation where a girl didn't like me at first but then started to like me after knowing me. All the women sort of decided immediately to either be attracted or just not care at all.

Maybe its just the type of girls I'm into? I've always been confident and mature, yet I wonder about some girls who ignored my attempts at second dates. Or maybe my personality just isn't as great as I think it is?
 
theater! but the key here, Zeemumu, is that you need to be able to follow up with whatever my answer is. are you _actually_ curious? do you not care? does this touch on any of your interests? you can use whichever answer I give to talk some about yourself too. oh, you like independent film? tell me more.

Hmm, okay. What kind shows did you used to participate in while you were in theater? Most of theacting that I've had to do was from Shakespeare. Good or bad, they were interesting to do.
 
Hmm, okay. What kind shows did you used to participate in while you were in theater? Most of theacting that I've had to do was from Shakespeare. Good or bad, they were interesting to do.

all Shakespeare but that was what I fell in love with at the time when I was younger. see? it's easy to elaborate on these things, and all you need to do is relate with personal experiences. it's not as tough as you think. =)
we can't teach you how not to be a robot, but you need to be comfortable with sharing your own info as well.
 
All of the guys I've dated I've been attracted to mostly (but not exclusively) because of their personality - they were all pretty average looking but their personalities made them hot.

I'm going to go with this. My ex would tell me it was my personality that attracted her to me. Not to say I'm a bad looking guy. You would be surprised how far your witty charm can take you.
 
all Shakespeare but that was what I fell in love with at the time when I was younger. see? it's easy to elaborate on these things, and all you need to do is relate with personal experiences. it's not as tough as you think. =)
we can't teach you how not to be a robot, but you need to be comfortable with sharing your own info as well.

Well it was a beneficial exercise nonetheless so thank you. As for the robot part I'll work on it. It's usually just my default because my perception ofmy own interests is clouded.
 
The only reason I ask is because I think women have only been into me because of my looks. I've always been outgoing, funny, and quite social; but women either love me or absolutely don't care about my existence. I don't think I ever had a situation where a girl didn't like me at first but then started to like me after knowing me. All the women sort of decided immediately to either be attracted or just not care at all.

Maybe its just the type of girls I'm into? I've always been confident and mature, yet I wonder about some girls who ignored my attempts at second dates. Or maybe my personality just isn't as great as I think it is?

I have the same experience, all the girlfriends i had were immediately attached to me.

They get attached to me very fast, it's like a roller-coaster of emotions.

And they were all batshit insane lol
 
The only reason I ask is because I think women have only been into me because of my looks. I've always been outgoing, funny, and quite social; but women either love me or absolutely don't care about my existence. I don't think I ever had a situation where a girl didn't like me at first but then started to like me after knowing me. All the women sort of decided immediately to either be attracted or just not care at all.

Maybe its just the type of girls I'm into? I've always been confident and mature, yet I wonder about some girls who ignored my attempts at second dates. Or maybe my personality just isn't as great as I think it is?
Do you ever find yourself wanting these girls because of their personality instead of their looks?
 
Well it was a beneficial exercise nonetheless so thank you. As for the robot part I'll work on it. It's usually just my default because my perception ofmy own interests is clouded.

glad I could help. just be whatever you are, people enjoying you for being fake is its own personal hell. never sell out =)
 
Do you ever find yourself wanting these girls because of their personality instead of their looks?

Yeah. I prefer personality over looks. I mean, I preferably don't wanna have to choose one or the other, I find most girls cute or attractive in their own ways, so I don't really understand how most guys have this conversation. (For Women it's different, there's alotta ugly dude's out there,
joking
lol) But I'll go for the "less attractive" one sometimes just cause the other one is...to put it scientifically, "completely lame".
 
Why is getting a girlfriend so comically hard ?

I mean dating part is easy but girlfriend part ?

I'm 26 I live in NYC and realistically I've only had 1 serious relationship/girlfriend for over 2 years.

theres so many things that go wrong, etc

it just feels as if though no amount of advice or training can make it happen and it all just goes out the window when reality is applied liberally.

this shit ain't easy GAF....
 
Do you ever find yourself wanting these girls because of their personality instead of their looks?
Fair question. I'll admit that a girl's personality has to be very great for me to overlook any physical qualities I might not be as attracted to. I've found myself accepting dates with girls who I wasn't absolutely taken by if they were able to hold a conversation, for example. Really, I only ever refuse if I'm really not into the looks or if there's something off.

But, I'll level with you: I can be shallow. A girl has to have a REALLY good sense of humor or boldness about her if I'm to be flexible.
 
glad I could help. just be whatever you are, people enjoying you for being fake is its own personal hell. never sell out =)

I'll do my best. I've never been extremely clear on my own interests so I like to do as much as I can to decide what I like to do for fun as opposed to just doing what's popular at the time.
 
I may well be overthinking this, actually, but I think there was one girl one time where I was attracted to her more for her personality than her looks. I might not have communicated this very well and she really was amazingly good looking. So she might have thought I was just interested because she was pretty.
 
If a woman looks attractive, then I'll be interested, but that attraction fades quickly if she doesn't have any personality. Typically women that I become attracted to are of average appearance, but they're just so great to be around that it doesn't really matter much to me. So it's more than possible to get me to fall for someone based almost entirely on personality alone.
 
Fair question. I'll admit that a girl's personality has to be very great for me to overlook any physical qualities I might not be as attracted to. I've found myself accepting dates with girls who I wasn't absolutely taken by if they were able to hold a conversation, for example. Really, I only ever refuse if I'm really not into the looks or if there's something off.

But, I'll level with you: I can be shallow. A girl has to have a REALLY good sense of humor or boldness about her if I'm to be flexible.
Sounds like you're after girls with similar standards and wants. I don't think it's fair to ask other people to go after you for reasons you'd never consider for them.

Not that there's anything wrong with putting looks as the priority. I'm just used to hearing guys say things like: "Those shallow hot girls won't give me the time of day because of how I look and don't care about my great personality! ;-;" without realizing the irony.
 
@Pau

Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging. I totally realize the irony. I'm just curious because it makes me wonder about whether my own personality is lacking. Even though I can be shallow sometimes, that doesn't mean the girl immediately is as well, know what I mean?
It was more of just a curiosity, I'm not mad at them or anything. :)
 
Oh, the last bit wasn't meant to be illustrate what I thought you were doing. Just that it's usually the context these conversations happen in. I'm sorry if it came off that way.

It's hard to say though what it is that makes someone pass you over unless they point it out themselves. And it can be an awkward thing to ask.
 
I already know where I’m going with this, but I would like a few outside opinions on the matter because other people’s perspectives never hurt.

Basically I had a girlfriend of five years, amazing girl who always put herself out there for me and had my back no matter what. The last year and a half of our relationship got kind of rocky – because of me. I lost the passion and started to take her for granted, and I still kick myself for doing it. We broke up at the beginning of the year and I haven’t really talked to her since.
When we broke up I told her that I still want to be with her, but we need to work on ourselves as individuals before we take the next step. I said I wanted her to be less reliant on me for her to be happy and I needed to figure out a way to rekindle the flame that burnt out. I was (am) still deeply attracted to her and want us to work out down the line. This is where the story gets a bit weird.

I started dating another girl late March/early April, now this is a chick that I used to work with and my ex had always had suspicions of me cheating on her with her. Which I never did, mind you. However, around mid-April, my ex got in contact with me again and found out through a mutual friend that I was dating her. She kind of flipped on me and said I was dead to her, etc… I told her that we both agreed it was best we dated other people for the time being but she was so adamant on the fact that I left her for this new girl – also false.

My birthday is in July and my ex contacted me to say happy birthday but said please don’t respond back (via Facebook). I did not heed her warning and said thank you and I’m glad she was able to say it, blah blah blah. She messaged me back and stated that she still really loves me and still has hope for us to be together later. She also let me know that she got a flight attendant job for an international airport. This is something she had wanted to do for years, so I congratulated her and that was that.

The girl I was dating, admittedly I fell pretty hard for. I felt that love emotion coming into play, which scared the hell out of me. I’ve had a few relationships and dated plenty, but those three words were only uttered to my ex and this new girl. I guess I freaked the new girl out after I said it, while we were on vacation, and when we got back she distanced herself from me and ultimately ended it. This was not mutual in any sense of the word, and she is still doing this passive aggressive bullshit trying to paint me as the bad guy, but that’s a story I’d rather not get into. This was about a month ago, mind you.

So fast forward to last week, my ex comes back into the states after her first or second flight and hangs with my sister. They still talk regularly as do her and my parents. When I get home my sister tells me that she brought me back something from her trip. Now, the gift was super miniscule but had a deep sentimental value to both of us. This of course, hit me right in the feels. Now, I never stopped thinking about my ex even while dating the other girl, in fact I had dreams about her pretty regularly from June-September.

I initially called it off so I can rediscover my passion for her (as previously stated) and treat the way she deserved to be treated and how I used to treat her in the past. I wanted to truly appreciate her like I knew I could and I think I needed this past girl to show me that. I left a lot of things out about the girl I was dating because I don’t want to say anything bad about her, but I will say this: she was pretty emotionally damaged and totally took me for granted. Sound familiar?

My sister also told me this though – that she said she is “ready to be friends.” That kind of hit me hard because that was never my intention with her. I can definitely say though, it is very deserving, I treated her terribly for the last 18 months of our relationship.
I guess what I’m getting at is this… I have two courses of action:

Do I cut my losses and become friends with the love of my life all because of my own selfishness and stupidity?

Or do I continue to fight and prove to her that I deserve another chance (I won’t say second because it’s more like a fourth)?

I know I don’t sound very deserving of a girl like her, but I know that I’m the one who fucked up multiple times. I would completely understand if she wanted nothing to with me romantically anymore though. I think I needed a terrible experience to make me grow as a person, and so far I think it has.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to type a novel but this is obviously something I care deeply about. Thanks to anyone who reads this and offers an opinion. Even if it’s just to tell me I’m a piece of shit.
 
I already know where I’m going with this, but I would like a few outside opinions on the matter because other people’s perspectives never hurt.

Basically I had a girlfriend of five years, amazing girl who always put herself out there for me and had my back no matter what. The last year and a half of our relationship got kind of rocky – because of me. I lost the passion and started to take her for granted, and I still kick myself for doing it. We broke up at the beginning of the year and I haven’t really talked to her since.
When we broke up I told her that I still want to be with her, but we need to work on ourselves as individuals before we take the next step. I said I wanted her to be less reliant on me for her to be happy and I needed to figure out a way to rekindle the flame that burnt out. I was (am) still deeply attracted to her and want us to work out down the line. This is where the story gets a bit weird.

I started dating another girl late March/early April, now this is a chick that I used to work with and my ex had always had suspicions of me cheating on her with her. Which I never did, mind you. However, around mid-April, my ex got in contact with me again and found out through a mutual friend that I was dating her. She kind of flipped on me and said I was dead to her, etc… I told her that we both agreed it was best we dated other people for the time being but she was so adamant on the fact that I left her for this new girl – also false.

My birthday is in July and my ex contacted me to say happy birthday but said please don’t respond back (via Facebook). I did not heed her warning and said thank you and I’m glad she was able to say it, blah blah blah. She messaged me back and stated that she still really loves me and still has hope for us to be together later. She also let me know that she got a flight attendant job for an international airport. This is something she had wanted to do for years, so I congratulated her and that was that.

The girl I was dating, admittedly I fell pretty hard for. I felt that love emotion coming into play, which scared the hell out of me. I’ve had a few relationships and dated plenty, but those three words were only uttered to my ex and this new girl. I guess I freaked the new girl out after I said it, while we were on vacation, and when we got back she distanced herself from me and ultimately ended it. This was not mutual in any sense of the word, and she is still doing this passive aggressive bullshit trying to paint me as the bad guy, but that’s a story I’d rather not get into. This was about a month ago, mind you.

So fast forward to last week, my ex comes back into the states after her first or second flight and hangs with my sister. They still talk regularly as do her and my parents. When I get home my sister tells me that she brought me back something from her trip. Now, the gift was super miniscule but had a deep sentimental value to both of us. This of course, hit me right in the feels. Now, I never stopped thinking about my ex even while dating the other girl, in fact I had dreams about her pretty regularly from June-September.

I initially called it off so I can rediscover my passion for her (as previously stated) and treat the way she deserved to be treated and how I used to treat her in the past. I wanted to truly appreciate her like I knew I could and I think I needed this past girl to show me that. I left a lot of things out about the girl I was dating because I don’t want to say anything bad about her, but I will say this: she was pretty emotionally damaged and totally took me for granted. Sound familiar?

My sister also told me this though – that she said she is “ready to be friends.” That kind of hit me hard because that was never my intention with her. I can definitely say though, it is very deserving, I treated her terribly for the last 18 months of our relationship.
I guess what I’m getting at is this… I have two courses of action:

Do I cut my losses and become friends with the love of my life all because of my own selfishness and stupidity?

Or do I continue to fight and prove to her that I deserve another chance (I won’t say second because it’s more like a fourth)?

I know I don’t sound very deserving of a girl like her, but I know that I’m the one who fucked up multiple times. I would completely understand if she wanted nothing to with me romantically anymore though. I think I needed a terrible experience to make me grow as a person, and so far I think it has.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to type a novel but this is obviously something I care deeply about. Thanks to anyone who reads this and offers an opinion. Even if it’s just to tell me I’m a piece of shit.


You fight and try to prove you deserve another chance. People are too goddamn quick to give up on what they want these days.

Every time I hear someone say, "There are plenty of fish in the sea, move on." I hear "Hey buddy, don't worry, there's someone out there who requires less effort to win over/fall in love with. Find THAT person. Forget about the one that you actually want. Take the path of least resistance." It's bullshit. I know too many people who were straight up blown off multiple times by the woman they're married to today to ever buy into that nonsense.

Figure something out.
 
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