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I met up with that "sure thing wants me" girl again today and I was getting a kind of different vibe from her.

We were sitting in computer lab and our peer review grades for one of our classes were posted and I told her to check hers. She got 95/100 I got 55/100.

I think I'm just unlikeable. That's fine with me, fuck everyone. Anyone reading this, fuck you too. Sincerely.
 
Situation: Dating girl who is an international student for 5 months, she'll leave in 6 back to her country. She faces some problems regarding her future here, job hunting, etc. I try to be helpful and ask her about it, what's troubling her and why she's unsure about getting her resume out. She says she's been putting thinking about this and doesn't really want to, then becomes upset and mad at me by trying to ask her something she doesn't even have an answer to.

Here's the kicker: Her replies turn into "I don't feel comfortable saying or complaining about these things. I would feel more understood by people from my own country/situation/culture. I also feel frustrated because I can't find the right words sometimes." I say that's fine to seek support from people in the same situation, but at least give me a shot at understanding what she's going through. I say that a relationship shouldn't be just about the good times, I don't mind the complaining and she's the last person I'll be impatient with. Her English is pretty excellent btw, which I mention to her now emotionless face.

More kicker: She starts saying that she may have put off doing things because she enjoyed having fun with me. Not outright blaming me, but come on, it's easy to spot. Then says "maybe we shouldn't hang out everyday." I put on my poker face and say that if she feels I'm stopping her from doing her things, she should tell me that straight up. She says it sounds terrible to say we should stop seeing each other. Granted, ALL of these exchanges were done with her taking looong pauses and her seemingly trying not to say something.

Finally: We end it by her saying, "I am tired, and I might say something I don't want to, I'll go home." I hint that this might be an excuse and she's just putting off talking about it. She storms out of the car. I try to stop her, she really wants to walk, she says. Lastly, I mention the question I asked was simple and I am not pressuring her to do any decisions, just to be of support. She gets super mad, and says "well, this is how I am, bye." Then walks away.

There I am, driving back home wondering what the hell she's thinking. The thought that maybe she's getting closer to one of her male friends who are from the same country crossed my mind. I'd like to think it's innocent and she's looking for support from people going through similar things, but it feels really bad knowing your girlfriend just won't tell you certain things because "I won't understand," but will tell some other dude who's supposed advantage is being from the same place as her. She has occasionally had "only from her country" hang outs, which happened to be just guys. Today she was to have dinner with this one guy, just the two of them. I found out only because I asked her to go out with me and some friends at the same time. I don't mind so much the going out, but the not-telling is what puts me at unease.

She called me back, saying "I'm not mad at you, just need to think by myself about these things." I said, okay, we all do, but I'd like to at least be given the chance. I feel she thinks I just cannot possibly understand, and it hurts.

So... what do.
 
Seems like way too much uneasiness and hurtful comments to be worth it for someone who's going to leave the country shortly anyway. I assume you're not gonna join her there? My ex pulled the same "you wouldn't understand" card several times as well and it's just not worth it sometimes to fight for the chance to prove yourself worthy. She should've given you the benefit of the doubt. There shouldn't be a need for that fight to begin with. This other guy thing is kinda weird too, especially the secrecy.
 
Seems like way too much uneasiness and hurtful comments to be worth it for someone who's going to leave the country shortly anyway. I assume you're not gonna join her there? My ex pulled the same "you wouldn't understand" card several times as well and it's just not worth it sometimes to fight for the chance to prove yourself worthy. She should've given you the benefit of the doubt. There shouldn't be a need for that fight to begin with. This other guy thing is kinda weird too, especially the secrecy.

My plans are to stay here and finish my career. I felt like we could have enjoyed ourselves here until she had to leave, she was into that idea too. She really likes me, she has shown that in many ways, I definitely do too. But the issue seems one of communication, and if there's one thing I know from every single thing about relationships is communication is key. I dislike that she thinks the truth is not what she'd like to know if it meant it'd make her sad. This seems like a small red flag, maybe pink? Previously I voiced my concern of her seeing other guys, but she said she would never do that.

She's totally into me, but communication has been like taking a tooth out. That other guy, has a girlfriend back in his country, if that means anything, but said he's looking for another one here in a joking manner. It's weird. I'm a bit exhausted from all this, I really like her and she's more than nice to me, letting me stay over, cooking for me. PDA, great sex, all that jazz... I dunno.
 
Situation: Dating girl who is an international student for 5 months, she'll leave in 6 back to her country. She faces some problems regarding her future here, job hunting, etc. I try to be helpful and ask her about it, what's troubling her and why she's unsure about getting her resume out. She says she's been putting thinking about this and doesn't really want to, then becomes upset and mad at me by trying to ask her something she doesn't even have an answer to.

Here's the kicker: Her replies turn into "I don't feel comfortable saying or complaining about these things. I would feel more understood by people from my own country/situation/culture. I also feel frustrated because I can't find the right words sometimes." I say that's fine to seek support from people in the same situation, but at least give me a shot at understanding what she's going through. I say that a relationship shouldn't be just about the good times, I don't mind the complaining and she's the last person I'll be impatient with. Her English is pretty excellent btw, which I mention to her now emotionless face.

More kicker: She starts saying that she may have put off doing things because she enjoyed having fun with me. Not outright blaming me, but come on, it's easy to spot. Then says "maybe we shouldn't hang out everyday." I put on my poker face and say that if she feels I'm stopping her from doing her things, she should tell me that straight up. She says it sounds terrible to say we should stop seeing each other. Granted, ALL of these exchanges were done with her taking looong pauses and her seemingly trying not to say something.

Finally: We end it by her saying, "I am tired, and I might say something I don't want to, I'll go home." I hint that this might be an excuse and she's just putting off talking about it. She storms out of the car. I try to stop her, she really wants to walk, she says. Lastly, I mention the question I asked was simple and I am not pressuring her to do any decisions, just to be of support. She gets super mad, and says "well, this is how I am, bye." Then walks away.

There I am, driving back home wondering what the hell she's thinking. The thought that maybe she's getting closer to one of her male friends who are from the same country crossed my mind. I'd like to think it's innocent and she's looking for support from people going through similar things, but it feels really bad knowing your girlfriend just won't tell you certain things because "I won't understand," but will tell some other dude who's supposed advantage is being from the same place as her. She has occasionally had "only from her country" hang outs, which happened to be just guys. Today she was to have dinner with this one guy, just the two of them. I found out only because I asked her to go out with me and some friends at the same time. I don't mind so much the going out, but the not-telling is what puts me at unease.

She called me back, saying "I'm not mad at you, just need to think by myself about these things." I said, okay, we all do, but I'd like to at least be given the chance. I feel she thinks I just cannot possibly understand, and it hurts.

So... what do.

Be careful. There are several red flags about her behavior. Secrecy about going out with another guy? What?

Just be aware that more could be going on. The "you don't understand" card is just an excuse imo.
 
Be careful. There are several red flags about her behavior. Secrecy about going out with another guy? What?

Just be aware that more could be going on. The "you don't understand" card is just an excuse imo.

She makes me tired. I could almost say I love her, but that thing she does when she gets into these "I'm not saying anything" mode makes me tired. She got upset and cried a lot when I suggested she tell me if something was up, she said she was always a great girlfriend and nothing but kind. She was gonna let me sleep in her place, but after that she basically told me to go home. I hope I'm not painting her in such a terrible light, but at the same time I hope I'm not blinded by "love." After these arguments, I feel like, what the fuck, why, why. I want to understand.
 
Be careful. There are several red flags about her behavior. Secrecy about going out with another guy? What?

Just be aware that more could be going on. The "you don't understand" card is just an excuse imo.

But on the other hand, that paranoia will come back to bite him tenfold if it turns out that he's jumping to conclusions for no reason. Walking through a minefield right now.
 
But on the other hand, that paranoia will come back to bite him tenfold if it turns out that he's jumping to conclusions for no reason. Walking through a minefield right now.

That's exactly what one of my buddies told me. The jealousy is not attractive at all and if unfounded (so far, no proof) will only drive us apart. That is why I am still choosing on trusting her.
 
That's exactly what one of my buddies told me. The jealousy is not attractive at all and if unfounded (so far, no proof) will only drive us apart. That is why I am still choosing on trusting her.

I drove someone away because I stopped trusting her, and paranoia. I know the consequences.

So yes, give her the benefit of the doubt.
 
I've never had any preferences when it comes to dating but lately I've found myself really attracted to Hispanic women. Maybe it's because I rarely meet any where I live and they just seem like a rare thing.
 
Damn man, you made the right choice. Sucks it went that route but now you have a clear picture of what's going on and shit won't drag on. It's retarded that you had to push it to get the truth out of her. She should have been straight to begin with. Her loss!

So, she msgd me back when I was on the phone with my ex roommate explaining what went down. She said that she had a really rough night and I offered to listen to her. She said that she isn't in a good mood and I apologized for causing her anymore strain. She said that is ok and it may just not be the best time for her.

It is painfully obvious that she really likes me, I'm going to give her a week or longer and tell her that I miss her and want to be with her. I've never been so comfortable with someone that isn't family and I still want to fight for this.
 
So, she msgd me back when I was on the phone with my ex roommate explaining what went down. She said that she had a really rough night and I offered to listen to her. She said that she isn't in a good mood and I apologized for causing her anymore strain. She said that is ok and it may just not be the best time for her.

It is painfully obvious that she really likes me, I'm going to give her a week or longer and tell her that I miss her and want to be with her. I've never been so comfortable with someone that isn't family and I still want to fight for this.

I wouldn't do that.

Tell her that everyone has bad days/weeks and it can be rough and we can say things we don't mean but you want something real and not to be played with.

Don't go rolling back in giving her all the power. She realized SHE made a mistake, you didn't do anything wrong. Don't go all in with "I 'missed you" etc.

I'd just tell her you're okay with continuing as long as she can be more upfront with what she wants.
 
She called back. She was apologizing for storming out like that and getting mad at me. She said it was because she usually needs a lot of time and energy to think about things that are so key about her future career. She says it's her fault this time, that she was lacking sleep (we sleep together on weekends usually, and her bed is tiny) and just stressed out from all this . I forgave her, said again to let me try to help her and said whatever she decided will be good; to trust her decision.
 
So, she msgd me back when I was on the phone with my ex roommate explaining what went down. She said that she had a really rough night and I offered to listen to her. She said that she isn't in a good mood and I apologized for causing her anymore strain. She said that is ok and it may just not be the best time for her.

It is painfully obvious that she really likes me, I'm going to give her a week or longer and tell her that I miss her and want to be with her. I've never been so comfortable with someone that isn't family and I still want to fight for this.

If you're confident that she really likes you and have the drive to pursue this, then go for it. There's nothing wrong with being straight forward with how you feel and if in a week you are missing her just let her know.

The current lady I'm with pushed me away after a couple great dates by admitting she just got out of a relationship and wasn't ready/didn't want me to be a rebound. I was super upset about it and didn't bother contacting her anymore. Two days later she asked to go out for dinner and I just straight up told her that I didn't care about being a rebound, that I liked her and wanted her. She swooned at that point and we've been together for almost two years now.

So my advice is to just be straight forward with how you feel. What she said about not even bothering to read your whole message was fucked up and there's no excuse for that. Just like sersteven said, if you plan to pursue this make sure your intentions are clear about wanting something real and no games.
 
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What I would say, word for word: "Hey [___], can I interest you in grabbing a coffee with me? I'd like to get to know you." She says yes? Keep your cool, plan the time. She says no? Make a joke of it, move on. DO NOT tell her about your feelings. You don't have feelings, you have an infatuation with her looks (I was in this same spot just weeks ago). I cannot stress this point enough!

Should have followed everyone's advice, but I never got the chance. Last night she texted and asked why I was so mad at my friend last weekend, and I said fuck it and told her. TBH I do feel better now, and I'm glad I got it over with. I was definitely just infatuated with her, as I know how it really feels when you're attracted to someone and it just wasn't there. We didn't have a whole lot in common, and had different life views, so it's all for the best.

We're going to remain friends as I do like hanging out with her, and I don't feel any resentment or anything. Only thing that sucks is that during our conversation, she asked if my friend liked her. I think that pretty much means she likes him too, which kinda sucks. I should be fine as long as they don't start making out with each other in front of me in the next week or so (which is entirely possible thanks to a Halloween party next week). Definitely not telling my friend she asked though. I just told him that she was happy to be friends with us. I'm certainly not going to speed up the process for him.
 
Be careful with the anger phase. You'll know because anything will piss you off.

You're free to be angry, since you don't have to like the situation. But don't act on it.
 
Be careful with the anger phase. You'll know because anything will piss you off.

You're free to be angry, since you don't have to like the situation. But don't act on it.

Well my friend specifically told me he is cool with how things are right now and has no plans to do anything, but of course that could change. I'm really worried about this Halloween party. The only time I've ever seen my friend hook up with someone is at parties when he gets drunk, and I myself am obviously more likely to get angry and do something I shouldn't while drunk.
 
If you're confident that she really likes you and have the drive to pursue this, then go for it. There's nothing wrong with being straight forward with how you feel and if in a week you are missing her just let her know.

The current lady I'm with pushed me away after a couple great dates by admitting she just got out of a relationship and wasn't ready/didn't want me to be a rebound. I was super upset about it and didn't bother contacting her anymore. Two days later she asked to go out for dinner and I just straight up told her that I didn't care about being a rebound, that I liked her and wanted her. She swooned at that point and we've been together for almost two years now.

So my advice is to just be straight forward with how you feel. What she said about not even bothering to read your whole message was fucked up and there's no excuse for that. Just like sersteven said, if you plan to pursue this make sure your intentions are clear about wanting something real and no games.

Well she was really upset last night due to family stuff that was going on that I was unaware of and I understand if she didn't read all of my message with what was going on. She said she had been crying with her mom for several hours. Dealing with that and having to try to process what I sent her at the same time gets a pass.
 
Well she was really upset last night due to family stuff that was going on that I was unaware of and I understand if she didn't read all of my message with what was going on. She said she had been crying with her mom for several hours. Dealing with that and having to try to process what I sent her at the same time gets a pass.

Sounds like she's going through a lot right now. Let her know that you really like her and would like to continue seeing where things can go when she is ready. Also let her know that you're there for her if she just needs someone to talk to. Then give her a little space. It sounds like she's into you but is a bit overwhelmed.
 
Went to a movie with a friend of mine this Saturday, this girl and two of her friends sit down next to me. She quickly looks at me a two or three times, then crosses her legs toward me, starts curling her hair, fidgeting with her accessories, getting comfy in her chair an abnormal amount of times, and.. gazing at me some more.

And yes, I'm a fucking pussy for not talking to her. I hate myself.

Scold me GAF.
 
Went to a movie with a friend of mine this Saturday, this girl and two of her friends sit down next to me. She quickly looks at me a two or three times, then crosses her legs toward me, starts curling her hair, fidgeting with her accessories, getting comfy in her chair an abnormal amount of times, and.. gazing at me some more.

And yes, I'm a fucking pussy for not talking to her. I hate myself.

Scold me GAF.

Ha ha ha. Don't feel bad. We've all done it before. When I was around 16, I remember one time a girl sat next to me at a friend's house during a horror movie at a Halloween Party. She leaned against my side and mentioned how the movie was scary. I never made a move. Yeah, I think we have all done something like this.
 
Well my friend specifically told me he is cool with how things are right now and has no plans to do anything, but of course that could change.
He's just posturing, man. The reality is he's going to make a move soon. The thing you NEED to do now is accept that its going to happen and make sure your emotions don't control you. If anything, when you get to that party you want to stay away from them both and go meet other girls. This will be very important.

You admitted that you should have taken my advice last time, right? So, make up for it and listen to me this time.

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You just reminded me. When I was in middle-school this really hot girl approached me. Every guy in my school liked her, more or less. Anyway, here's how it literally went down:

Her: Hey, is your name [____]?
Me: *walks away really fast*

lol. I remember bragging to my friends that she liked me, since she tried quite a few times to get my attention. But when she was actually there in person I'd runnnnnn. It was fun being a kid.
 
He's just posturing, man. The reality is he's going to make a move soon. The thing you NEED to do now is accept that its going to happen and make sure your emotions don't control you. If anything, when you get to that party you want to stay away from them both and go meet other girls. This will be very important.

You admitted that you should have taken my advice last time, right? So, make up for it and listen to me this time.

Only problem is that parties for us usually mean like 10 people at most show up. He's also my best friend, so I can't just ignore him.
 
Only problem is that parties for us usually mean like 10 people at most show up. He's also my best friend, so I can't just ignore him.

I know you're stinging a bit right now, but if it were my best friend, I'd let him know that she might be interested. It sucks she's not into you, but it might mean happiness for your best friend.

It always sucks being shot down, particularly when you're into someone. But at least now you know where you stand and you can move on. This wasn't a break-up, so hopefully you can put it behind you quickly. It'll make things less awkward for all involved.
 
Only problem is that parties for us usually mean like 10 people at most show up. He's also my best friend, so I can't just ignore him.
I'm not saying ignore him. Just don't tempt yourself into being near him and that girl because of your anger and other emotions. When the party starts you should definitely catch up with both of them, but make a simple excuse that you just "want to see what everyone else is up to." That's all.
 
Sounds like she's going through a lot right now. Let her know that you really like her and would like to continue seeing where things can go when she is ready. Also let her know that you're there for her if she just needs someone to talk to. Then give her a little space. It sounds like she's into you but is a bit overwhelmed.

Yep, I basically said just that. The plan is to give her space for now and then follow up in a a week or two.
 
Well she was really upset last night due to family stuff that was going on that I was unaware of and I understand if she didn't read all of my message with what was going on. She said she had been crying with her mom for several hours. Dealing with that and having to try to process what I sent her at the same time gets a pass.

Yes, give her some time. I, too, would try again after she's had time to deal and process her emotional stuff.

Still, be very cautious. If she's taking her sweet time to "deal" with her personal world, do realize that what you want is to become part of that personal world too. So, at any sign of emotional instability, you GTFO.
 
Went to a movie with a friend of mine this Saturday, this girl and two of her friends sit down next to me. She quickly looks at me a two or three times, then crosses her legs toward me, starts curling her hair, fidgeting with her accessories, getting comfy in her chair an abnormal amount of times, and.. gazing at me some more.

And yes, I'm a fucking pussy for not talking to her. I hate myself.

Scold me GAF.

Funny, I actually made out with this girl at the movies last week (Gravity, great movie!). I went with my cousin and his friend. At first I thought she liked my friend, but then I figured out she was trying to make us compete. I made a move and the rest is history. I have her number, might call her this weekend.

Point is: never let the opportunity go. You never know. I didn't know she was into me, it looked like she was into my friend. But I still went for it anyways. Remember the scale:

5 women will like you. 2 might or might not. 3 never will, ever. How many women do you see in a given day? Dozens. The odds are on your side.
 
Yea I still don't trust women at all.
My ex got a new boyfriend 3 days after she broke up with me. We went out for 13 months.


All evidence points to her probably having met that guy while she wa with me :/
I didn't even investigate. Just stopped talking to her and cut her out. I don't need to know the truth.

You didnt notice anything at the time? Come on!
 
I need some date ideas. The woman I am seeing and I tend to meet at night because of our schedules. Neither of us is interested in the club/bar scene, which really hurts our options for things to do/places to go. Despite there being a college in the city, the latest any of the coffee shops stay open is midnight. Which we already take advantage of. She likes to take walks, but I don't think there is anywhere particularly safe to do so around here. Maybe the college would be a good option. If desperate, I know we can go to IHOP and such past midnight to hang out.
 
I need some date ideas. The woman I am seeing and I tend to meet at night because of our schedules. Neither of us is interested in the club/bar scene, which really hurts our options for things to do/places to go. Despite there being a college in the city, the latest any of the coffee shops stay open is midnight. Which we already take advantage of. She likes to take walks, but I don't think there is anywhere particularly safe to do so around here. Maybe the college would be a good option. If desperate, I know we can go to IHOP and such past midnight to hang out.

Take her out to the movies? A skating rink nearby? If not, you could always go to one of those huge shopping plazas and just walk around. Sometimes they have bands performing outside and whatnot. Those places usually seem like a mix between a park and a mall.
 
I need some date ideas. The woman I am seeing and I tend to meet at night because of our schedules. Neither of us is interested in the club/bar scene, which really hurts our options for things to do/places to go. Despite there being a college in the city, the latest any of the coffee shops stay open is midnight. Which we already take advantage of. She likes to take walks, but I don't think there is anywhere particularly safe to do so around here. Maybe the college would be a good option. If desperate, I know we can go to IHOP and such past midnight to hang out.

Grab a bottle of wine, head back to your place or her place. Put on some music. Enjoy.
 
I need some date ideas. The woman I am seeing and I tend to meet at night because of our schedules. Neither of us is interested in the club/bar scene, which really hurts our options for things to do/places to go. Despite there being a college in the city, the latest any of the coffee shops stay open is midnight. Which we already take advantage of. She likes to take walks, but I don't think there is anywhere particularly safe to do so around here. Maybe the college would be a good option. If desperate, I know we can go to IHOP and such past midnight to hang out.
What kind of stuff is in your area or is she interested in?
 
I need some date ideas. The woman I am seeing and I tend to meet at night because of our schedules. Neither of us is interested in the club/bar scene, which really hurts our options for things to do/places to go. Despite there being a college in the city, the latest any of the coffee shops stay open is midnight. Which we already take advantage of. She likes to take walks, but I don't think there is anywhere particularly safe to do so around here. Maybe the college would be a good option. If desperate, I know we can go to IHOP and such past midnight to hang out.

Comedy Club? Movies?
 
Is there any subtle way I could drop a hint to figure out if a girl is available or not?

There's a girl in both of my classes who I talk to that I'm interested in. She's really pretty but comes off as very quiet. When talking to her, she talks so low you can barely hear her. Makes it seem like she's on the shy side but it could also be that she's in classes with people she really doesn't know so she keeps to herself. I'm kinda like this. Besides talking to her before one class and whoever sits at my table, which she sits at as well, in another, I'm quiet.

Last week, she told me to sit by her in one of our other classes because, in a previous class, I was grouped with a bunch of people fighting amongst each other and she said I looked miserable, which I was. I'm planning on doing this.

I'd like to ask her out to dinner or coffee or whatever. The only thing that always gets to me whenever I make an attempt is finding out a girl is already with someone. I don't know why. I feel I'm being disrespectful to ask if they're already taken. Does this make any sense? I know I shouldn't give a shit but I guess it's just manners? I have no clue.

Anyway, help?
 
Is there any subtle way I could drop a hint to figure out if a girl is available or not?

There's a girl in both of my classes who I talk to that I'm interested in. She's really pretty but comes off as very quiet. When talking to her, she talks so low you can barely hear her. Makes it seem like she's on the shy side but it could also be that she's in classes with people she really doesn't know so she keeps to herself. I'm kinda like this. Besides talking to her before one class and whoever sits at my table, which she sits at as well, in another, I'm quiet.

Last week, she told me to sit by her in one of our other classes because, in a previous class, I was grouped with a bunch of people fighting amongst each other and she said I looked miserable, which I was. I'm planning on doing this.

I'd like to ask her out to dinner or coffee or whatever. The only thing that always gets to me whenever I make an attempt is finding out a girl is already with someone. I don't know why. I feel I'm being disrespectful to ask if they're already taken. Does this make any sense? I know I shouldn't give a shit but I guess it's just manners? I have no clue.

Anyway, help?

It is easy enough to do in just a couple of sentences. It could be as simple as "Do you mind, if I ask you something?" No, "Are you currently seeing anybody, if you aren't I would like to take you out for coffee/dinner/etc."

I know that seems really basic, but that would be all it takes.

If anything she may be flattered that you are asking even if she is taken.
 
It is easy enough to do in just a couple of sentences. It could be as simple as "Do you mind, if I ask you something?" No, "Are you currently seeing anybody, if you aren't I would like to take you out for coffee/dinner/etc."

I know that seems really basic, but that would be all it takes.

If anything she may be flattered that you are asking even if she is taken.

I thought it'd be as simple as that. I over-think everything. :|
 
Went to a movie with a friend of mine this Saturday, this girl and two of her friends sit down next to me. She quickly looks at me a two or three times, then crosses her legs toward me, starts curling her hair, fidgeting with her accessories, getting comfy in her chair an abnormal amount of times, and.. gazing at me some more.

And yes, I'm a fucking pussy for not talking to her. I hate myself.

Scold me GAF.

Story of my life
 
Man. I feel like shit these days.

A little while back I broke up with my girlfriend, but we kept in touch as friends. Over time she starts guilt tripping me, saying I'm taking her for granted because I know she'd never leave me. Then she says she always loved me, and that warmed my hear enough to try again. So I try to spend more time with her, and as soon as I start to really get feelings for her again, she falls off the map. She has school and a job, so of course she's busy, but she wouldn't meet with me in months. Then hasn't even texted in weeks.

I was stupid for giving it another try. I hate being a forgiver. But I don't understand why she'd work so hard at trying to get back together with me, only to disappear the moment I think that's a good idea. Anyway, I texted her saying essentially saying "I haven't heard from you in weeks, so I guess I need to say goodbye." so I had some sense of closure. That was five days ago and I still haven't heard a response.

I just don't know what to make of it. But she was always a weird one. Us breaking up is for the best, but the way it ended has just made me feel shitty these past couple of weeks.
 
Man. I feel like shit these days.

A little while back I broke up with my girlfriend, but we kept in touch as friends. Over time she starts guilt tripping me, saying I'm taking her for granted because I know she'd never leave me. Then she says she always loved me, and that warmed my hear enough to try again. So I try to spend more time with her, and as soon as I start to really get feelings for her again, she falls off the map. She has school and a job, so of course she's busy, but she wouldn't meet with me in months. Then hasn't even texted in weeks.

I was stupid for giving it another try. I hate being a forgiver. But I don't understand why she'd work so hard at trying to get back together with me, only to disappear the moment I think that's a good idea. Anyway, I texted her saying essentially saying "I haven't heard from you in weeks, so I guess I need to say goodbye." so I had some sense of closure. That was five days ago and I still haven't heard a response.

I just don't know what to make of it. But she was always a weird one. Us breaking up is for the best, but the way it ended has just made me feel shitty these past couple of weeks.

Sounds like she just wanted the last word or needed to prove something to herself for her ego. You say that you broke up with her and some people just can't take being dumped. So, she worked hard to get you back so she could be the one to dump you. It's an odd, shitty thing to do, but people are strange when it comes to break-ups.

If I hadn't seen someone in months or heard from them in weeks, it's a pretty sure sign that things are over. She just didn't have the guts to tell you in person.
 
Jedi is right. She basically got back with you just so she could be the one to dump you and end the relationship. She didn't approach you because she wants you to waste your energy wondering why it happened. Or she's just too afraid to confront you.
 
Is there any subtle way I could drop a hint to figure out if a girl is available or not?

There's a girl in both of my classes who I talk to that I'm interested in. She's really pretty but comes off as very quiet. When talking to her, she talks so low you can barely hear her. Makes it seem like she's on the shy side but it could also be that she's in classes with people she really doesn't know so she keeps to herself. I'm kinda like this. Besides talking to her before one class and whoever sits at my table, which she sits at as well, in another, I'm quiet.

Last week, she told me to sit by her in one of our other classes because, in a previous class, I was grouped with a bunch of people fighting amongst each other and she said I looked miserable, which I was. I'm planning on doing this.

I'd like to ask her out to dinner or coffee or whatever. The only thing that always gets to me whenever I make an attempt is finding out a girl is already with someone. I don't know why. I feel I'm being disrespectful to ask if they're already taken. Does this make any sense? I know I shouldn't give a shit but I guess it's just manners? I have no clue.

Anyway, help?
I usually ask along the lines of "does your boyfriend study here too?" or "what does your boyfriend work with?" etc. I don't think anyone has made up a story about having a bf when asked like that, people usually don't the reaction time to lie instinctively in that situation. Or just go for it, they'll let you know very fast that way too (but may be more prone to lying). Not that all women lie or anything.
 
I wouldn't even ask her if she was available, just for the coffee/dinner. She should get the hint.

I was thinking that as well. Me, asking if she's available, is me over-thinking, haha.

I usually ask along the lines of "does your boyfriend study here too?" or "what does your boyfriend work with?" etc. I don't think anyone has made up a story about having a bf when asked like that, people usually don't the reaction time to lie instinctively in that situation. Or just go for it, they'll let you know very fast that way too (but may be more prone to lying). Not that all women lie or anything.

That could work. I know she teaches in a school. I could ask if anyone else in her family teaches, including a boyfriend. See if that reveals anything.
 
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