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[cmgfender]

Take this all as hearsay, cause im using this as a source:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Resolution of 360 and ps3 launch games:
Perfect Dark Zero = 1152x640 (no AA)
Kameo: Elements of Power = 1280x720 (no AA)
Gears of War = 1280x720 (HD), 960x720 (SD) (2xAA on static objects?) (not launch but considered "real purty" at the time right?)
Fifa 2006 = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 3 = 1024x600 (2xAA)

Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) ~1088x624 (2xAA)
Resistance: Fall of Man = 1280x720 (QAA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 = 1280x720
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance = 1280x720 & 1920x1080 (no AA)

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Both sides last gen were keen to hype up when they got the superior version of this or that. It was the wii folks who claimed graphics, resolutions, etc didn't matter.

You're not wrong, but 360/PS3 owners couldn't jump into the "graphics don't matter" camp fast enough any time PC reared its "ugly" head.

As crazy in denial as some Xbox fans seem lately, the total hypocrisy from the Sony side might be bothering me a little more.

 

[kinoki]

Why do people still take CBOAT as FACT?

Because they are fact.

-Said X1 had no indie program, wouldnt be seen till after launch.
Wrong.

This was true but is false now due to changed policies. You might not remember what actually went down when things about self-publishing was all over the media. There's a reason for no indies at launch and that's this 180.

-Said indies would only have access to 3GB of system memory
Wrong. Indies have access to everything including cloud computer and dedicated servers

See above. Was also changed in the same period.

-Claimed X1 had been down clocked
Wrong

He never said that. That was what was deduced from his comment. He never actually said that. Prove me wrong by finding the quote where he said it.

-Claimed Mirrors Edge 2 would be as MS conference and was Kinect Exclusive
Wrong

I don't remember the Kinect exclusive. Mirror's Edge 2 was annouced at E3 and the project might have begun as a EA/MS cooperation for the Kinect. It doesn't seem far-fetched and that it later turned to what it is now.

-Prince of Persia at MS conference
Wrong

Wasn't this the Halo 5 trailer he got wrong?

-60 minute limit to family sharing (when it existed)
Wrong

There's no way of saying if this was wrong. Most likely it was true. Sounds in line with Microsoft's thinking at the time. I'd be hard pressed to dismiss this as anything other than fact.

-Xbox Live wouldnt Support Free to Play
Wrong

We have no way of knowing this and I don't remember reading anything about F2P not requireing Gold.

-Sony was launching in October
Wrong

It has been pointed out that MS is his strong suit and that the PS-news is just rumours ever to him. He was wrong this time.

-PSN would remain Free
Wrong

See above.

-Said Indies would have to publish games through "Windows store ghetto"
Wrong

More than likely this was actually the case. See the first answer.

 

[frizby]

Can't. Stop. Laughing.

The Tim Dog meltdown has been the best part of this whole 720 thing.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Really? He kinda seems like an asshole. You can make valid points and express you distaste without sounding like an asshole. No one wants to converse with an asshole which means his talking to himself and people like himself who find general douche bag behavior entertaining.

I'd choose the words "awesomely entertaining."

 

[Dictator93]

Tim Dog is making me happy. People should seriously not be happy that a 500 dolalr device is doing 720p.

Why do people still take CBOAT as FACT?

-Said X1 had no indie program, wouldnt be seen till after launch.
Wrong.
-Said indies would only have access to 3GB of system memory
Wrong. Indies have access to everything including cloud computer and dedicated servers
-Claimed X1 had been down clocked
Wrong
-Claimed Mirrors Edge 2 would be as MS conference and was Kinect Exclusive
Wrong
-Prince of Persia at MS conference
Wrong
-60 minute limit to family sharing (when it existed)
Wrong
-Xbox Live wouldnt Support Free to Play
Wrong
-Sony was launching in October
Wrong
-PSN would remain Free
Wrong
-Said Indies would have to publish games through "Windows store ghetto"
Wrong

EDIT: Reiterating this for people who cant read

"Im not saying hes never right or not a good source at all, im simply asking why its taken as a FACT not a possible rumor.

It seems as though if he came here and said "the sky is falling" neogaf members would be taking cover under their desks instead of looking outside."

Relax gaf, im just saying that he is sometimes wrong, and it isnt gospel.

You cannot deny the truthfacts. Also, CBOAT has constantly said when he was wrong and why he was wrong.

He has been right about nearly 90% of everything he has ever said. You sound extremely salty.

 

[NullPointer]

I really hope posts like these are just sarcasm/snark :/

The post makes perfect sense though. If technical performance issues like resolution and framerate aren't important to the average gamer (as I keep seeing people post) for cross-gen titles, why buy into next gen at this point?

 

[TheRealTalker]

You know journalism is in trouble when Tim Dog is making more sense then them.

that what I got from it as well the guy makes a point

 

[Vizzeh]

Knew it wouldnt take long for #TeamCboat to show up with the facts

 

[cmgfender]

Don't forget the numerous TRUTHFACTS that he dropped over the years including todays ones which seems almost confirmed.

#TeamCboat

Again, im not saying OMG CBOAT IS ALWAYS WRONG HES THE WORST.

Hes awesome. Hes usually right. Im just saying its not set in stone

 

[andycapps]

I feel like when CBOAT proves these things right, that that should be called a PIXELFACT.

I wonder if games media figures that are sticking up for Xbone or saying it's not a big deal would be saying the same thing if PS4 games were coming out at the same resolution as the majority of games from Xbox 360 and PS3. That said, I understand that a lot of the games media got into the Xbox camp early because most of them got free 360's from Microsoft at launch.. Combine that with a better online infrastructure and a small core of writers that work with each other often and I see why they're having a hard time with the transition to this gen.

 

[fallingdove]

Wasn't Garnett on Bonus Round talking about how people were going to get the Xbone just for the HDMI pass-through so that they could play PS4 games on their Xbone? Bless this guy's sweet little heart.

 

[jaxpunk]

Really? He kinda seems like an asshole. You can make valid points and express you distaste without sounding like an asshole. No one wants to converse with an asshole which means his talking to himself and people like himself who find general douche bag behavior entertaining.

I'm reading it, shits hilarious.

 

[cmgfender]

Take this all as hearsay, cause im using this as a source:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Resolution of 360 and ps3 launch games:
Perfect Dark Zero = 1152x640 (no AA)
Kameo: Elements of Power = 1280x720 (no AA)
Gears of War = 1280x720 (HD), 960x720 (SD) (2xAA on static objects?) (not launch but considered "real purty" at the time right?)
Fifa 2006 = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 3 = 1024x600 (2xAA)

Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) ~1088x624 (2xAA)
Resistance: Fall of Man = 1280x720 (QAA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 = 1280x720
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance = 1280x720 & 1920x1080 (no AA)

Quoting myself here. So does anyone know if these "got better"?

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

You're not wrong, but 360/PS3 owners couldn't jump into the "graphics don't matter" camp fast enough any time PC reared its "ugly" head.

As crazy in denial as some Xbox fans seem lately, the total hypocrisy from the Sony side might be bothering me a little more.

Pc isn't a console, nor does it have fixed specs, so comparisons between consoles and it are pointless in terms of a console wars discussion.

Really, they just got tired of master race fanboys jumping into every last comparison thread just to brag about their rigs.

Sony fans are not being hypocritical here, they are purely talking about a console to console to console comparison.

 

[Pseudo judo]

Tim Dog is making me happy. People should seriously not be happy that a 500 dolalr device is doing 720p.

That's true but the way he's expressing himself has little to do with looking to have a conversation and everything to do with making a name for himself. It's painfully transparent and the Angry Gamer shtick turned up to 11.

 

[cmgfender]

Pc isn't a console, nor does it have fixed specs, so comparisons between consoles and it are pointless in terms of a console wars discussion.

Really, they just got tired of master race fanboys jumping into every last comparison thread just to brag about their rigs.

Sony fans are not being hypocritical here, they are purely talking about a console to console to console comparison.

cant we just all be....game fans?

::hugs gaf::

 

[IN&OUT]

Again, im not saying OMG CBOAT IS ALWAYS WRONG HES THE WORST.

Hes awesome. Hes usually right. Im just saying its not set in stone

Nothing is set in stone, but his posts has some crucial wight to it. he also teased today's COD debacle in his post last week...he is someone in the know for sure.

 

[frizby]

Again, im not saying OMG CBOAT IS ALWAYS WRONG HES THE WORST.

Hes awesome. Hes usually right. Im just saying its not set in stone

 

[HariKari]

-Said X1 had no indie program, wouldnt be seen till after launch.
Wrong.

CBOAT is correct on this. No indie games at launch.

-Claimed X1 had been down clocked
Wrong

Not a truthfact. Also, the OC isn't a good thing hardware wise.

-Claimed Mirrors Edge 2 would be as MS conference and was Kinect Exclusive
Wrong

It showed up a few hours later at EA's conference. The main point is that he called its existence correctly. Easily something that could have changed due to scheduling.

-60 minute limit to family sharing (when it existed)
Wrong

It was discussed at one point for him to have heard it. There were limits in place, and it was not the amazing system MS was trying to sell people. Again, the spirit of his post was correct. This system has since been pulled and no longer exists, so we will never know the truth.

-Xbox Live wouldnt Support Free to Play
Wrong

Half correct. F2P games are behind the paywall. Not so on PS4.

-Sony was launching in October
Wrong

Wasn't a truthfact. Was a rumbling/possibility iirc.

Relax gaf, im just saying that he is sometimes wrong, and it isnt gospel.

He is far, far more right than wrong. I'm sure there's all sorts of things he'd like to share but can't because it might be compartmentalized info that would expose him.

 

[ICPEE]

Huh???!! Is this real? ^^^

 

[cmgfender]

Yeah man. The first line of my post was "why is this treated as FACT". Really backpedalling.

It was, again quite literally, a question, not "cboat is always wrong"

 

[EmptySpace]

EmptySpace is willing to let you off this once because your girlfriend is producer for the order 1886.

 

[santi_yo]

Off Topic, but... You can actually pinpoint the exact moment yosp says 'get up!' to Kaz, without even looking at him. He's the real CEO at SONY! I knew it!

 

[Pseudo judo]

I'm reading it, shits hilarious.

Well there you go. He's your kind of audience.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

cant we just all be....game fans?

::hugs gaf::

I was just pointing out the difference between PC and console in terms of a comparison thread.

I'm mainly a PC gamer these days as well, but man do I hate master race fanboys.

 

[Feorax]

Take this all as hearsay, cause im using this as a source:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Resolution of 360 and ps3 launch games:
Perfect Dark Zero = 1152x640 (no AA)
Kameo: Elements of Power = 1280x720 (no AA)
Gears of War = 1280x720 (HD), 960x720 (SD) (2xAA on static objects?) (not launch but considered "real purty" at the time right?)
Fifa 2006 = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 3 = 1024x600 (2xAA)

Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) ~1088x624 (2xAA)
Resistance: Fall of Man = 1280x720 (QAA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 = 1280x720
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance = 1280x720 & 1920x1080 (no AA)

One thing they all have in common is that, despite being launch games, they are all well over 480p, which was the standard of the gen before.

By that logic, 900p for launch window (and only launch window) games would probably be acceptable. 720p is not.

 

[frizby]

Yeah man. The first line of my post was "why is this treated as FACT". Really backpedalling.

It was, again quite literally, a question, not "cboat is always wrong"

A completely innocent question (maybe) followed by a list of utter bile (definitely).

 

[Vizzeh]

For the reference for people who may have missed this cboat bombshell, he seen this all coming a couple of weeks ago:

i ams cshokked athis urpsriise.truly >am



btw i hope fyou arent fans of 1080p on xone, wehn hw is out in wild you wil se wat I meant about isues. puclocks too. Risk evwyerhwere. this palce is ntus. 2014 was beter pln.

Translation: "I hope you aren't fans of 1080P on Xbox One.When hardware is released you'll see what I mean about issues. Upclocks too risk everywhere, 2014 was a better idea."Sounds like there'll be problems a-la Xbox 360 with reliability and it was rushed out to be in 2013 rather than 2014 when planned. This place is nuts.

 

[frizby]

EmptySpace is willing to let you off this once because your girlfriend is producer for the order 1886.

SpinTheBluCircle thinks that's why he overcompensates.

 

[graboids]

Knew it wouldnt take long for #TeamCboat to show up with the facts

 

[cmgfender]

One thing they all have in common is that, despite being launch games, they are all well over 480p, which was the standard of the gen before.

By that logic, 900p for launch window (and only launch window) games would probably be acceptable. 720p is not.

Im gonna agree with you then. 720p is absurd. I know eventually you get games with WAYYY more resources needed and diminishing returns, but if 360 launched and everything was alllllmost 720p, thats pretty bad.

I know its not everything, like elder scrolls is listed as:
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion = 1280x720 (no AA)
Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim = 1280x720 (likely FXAA, more aggressive edge detection than 360 iteration)

And no one can argue oblivion looks better than skyrim. But if 360 was launching and a lot of games were 720p...and now x1 and we've moved to what, 900p average......ruhoh

 

[weeeeezy]

Half the responses in this thread are pure garbage. What happened to open discussions?!

 

[cmgfender]

A completely innocent question (maybe) followed by a list of utter bile (definitely).

I think calling it utter bile is extreme hyperbole, but sure man.

I was just trying to point out theres no need to grab pitchforks yet, and honestly trying to find out what if i missed something. Someone already said "these other people mentioned it" and then i said "oh, well in that case carry on". Didnt mean to offend all of gaf.

 

[Pseudo judo]

Half the responses in this thread are pure garbage. What happened to open discussions?!

Those days are just a memory, though they will probably begin to return on November 22.

 

[Smash]

Yes another excuse for Microsoft from Garnett Lee. I'm getting sick of certain journalists acting like Microsoft's damage control center.

 

[CTLance]

What are the details to this? 6000 posts in the other thread and this was barely mentioned and that is what would scare me.

It's from ProElite, which apparently holds at least some sway.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87069229#post87069229

Given the choice between

720p COD

and

Xbox One OS that crashes / hangs once per user session. Flaky ass multi-player.

I think 720p COD is the lesser of the two evils.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87072595&highlight=#post87072595

I am saying 720p would be a mere annoyance compared to frequent crashes and broken Live matchmaking.

And http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87073345&highlight=#post87073345 which is basically the same again.

so titanfall is confirmed as 720p with months left to go? There is confirmed no chance of it changing?

have we gone from speculation to just assuming the worst now?

Nah, but honestly, in a shooter, I'd rather they drop the resolution than deviate from 60fps, that's what they said what they'd do, in fact they have evaded every question about resolution with that blurb. Lo and behold, not that much later CBOAT and Mortimer have said it'll be a 720p title. This is not witchcraft or anything. It was always there, at a very high probability, and now it's kinda-sorta official.

 

[EmptySpace]

Half the responses in this thread are pure garbage. What happened to open discussions?!

there's nothing to discuss since respawn doesn't want to comment.

 

[cmgfender]

there's nothing to discuss since respawn doesn't want to comment.

it is possible they literally just dont know yet right?

 

[RetroStu]

Yes another excuse for Microsoft from Garnett Lee. I'm getting sick of certain journalists acting like Microsoft's damage control center.

Or maybe it just doesn't bother them like it won't bother 90% of console gamers.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Yes another excuse for Microsoft from Garnett Lee. I'm getting sick of certain journalists acting like Microsoft's damage control center.

Or he has an opinion? Not everyone is a shill.

 

[afternoon delight]

Half the responses in this thread are pure garbage. What happened to open discussions?!

Well, people are probably a little upset that their jump forward into the future (using one of two products) will actually be a little step. I'm not surprised people are miffed to be getting 720..... Again. With hardware that is planned for another almost decade.

Edit: And it's a Source game, which is saying something, even if I think Source is a much better engine than others.

 

[HariKari]

Or he has an opinion? Not everyone is a shill.

It's not a good comparison, so any opinion built on the back of that looks awful. He may not care about 1080p. That's fine. Trying to play it off as "Well, TV looks that way" is being very disingenuous.

 

[Vizzeh]

I think calling it utter bile is extreme hyperbole, but sure man.

I was just trying to point out theres no need to grab pitchforks yet, and honestly trying to find out what if i missed something. Someone already said "these other people mentioned it" and then i said "oh, well in that case carry on". Didnt mean to offend all of gaf.

If you want a general run-down on what happened last night, up to Thuway saying 720p (and Gaf going crazy thereafter) check this post out:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87078451&postcount=544

 

[frizby]

I think calling it utter bile is extreme hyperbole, but sure man.

I was just trying to point out theres no need to grab pitchforks yet, and honestly trying to find out what if i missed something. Someone already said "these other people mentioned it" and then i said "oh, well in that case carry on". Didnt mean to offend all of gaf.

I think you'd had enough attention for one day, especially after looking at your post history.

The amount of complaining that goes on at neogaf makes me think none of you actually like video games

 

[x-Lundz-x]

it is possible they literally just dont know yet right?

They are developing a game, which is 5 months away from release and they don't have a clue as to what resolution they can get out of the game they spent the last three years working on. Come on now.

It's not like the code the game and then a month before launch choose the final resolution.

 

[harSon]

Things change, get cancelled, get moved, etc etc.



Why would something that's stable change?

He's right more times than not by a significant margin, but you have to have accountability somewhere, otherwise insiders have free reign to say whatever the hell they want without opportunity for blow back due to the ability to utilize "things change, get canceled, get moved, etc etc" as cover.

 

[Zombie James]

They are developing a game, which is 5 months away from release and they don't have a clue as to what resolution they can get out of the game they spent the last three years working on. Come on now.

DICE can't figure out what resolution Battlefield 4 is going to run at and it's less than a month away.

 

[cmgfender]

If you want a general run-down on what happened last night, up to Thuway saying 720p (and Gaf going crazy thereafter) check this post out:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87078451&postcount=544

Thank you. These are all like, actual people who know about stuff right? Not just some dude at a desk on gaf?

 

[Cragvis]

Off Topic, but... You can actually pinpoint the exact moment yosp says 'get up!' to Kaz, without even looking at him. He's the real CEO at SONY! I knew it!

In YOSP I trust!