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[V_Arnold]

Um no. Dog needs to be put down, period. If it did it once, it'll do it again.

Here's the thing: Grandpa Jackass should care more about having his fucking grandkids over in complete safety than his feelings about the dog. All it would've taken is an inch or two over and bam, kid's eye is damaged.

In many countries, that is not how it works. The dog did not actually kill anyone, nor did it severely damage anyone. You deny all interactions with a dog when you have a one year old, period. You do not just take that rule aside for one minute to see what happens without knowing the specific behavioral patterns of said dog (and even then, extreme caution is needed with ALL breeds).

Many shelters and animal care groups actually take problematic dogs like this for a complete psychic evaluation and they undergo some heavy tests to determine whether they can be disciplined or not. AFTER they are declared unfit to be with children/normal social life even with other dogs/cats, they can STILL be used for several roles (for example, outside dog as farmkeeping, etc), but only under strict guidances.

Bottom line is, ANY light injuries could lead to death when said injuries are applied to not an adult or a 8-10+ year old children but a 1 year old instead. Which means that potentially ANY badly kept dog could do this in the exact same situation, which simply means that generally, you do not leave one year olds unsupervised with unstable dogs. Not for a minute, not for ten seconds, not for a moment. Not that you kill all unstable dogs for some nonsense reason.

Dude, just take that dog away and put it down or something even if they don't want to.

IMO.

Advocating murder/animal cruelty?

 

[charsace]

I would. I honestly would, but the family drama would be ridiculous. They've made it clear that the dog isn't going to be willingly taken. So instead we're not allowing the kids to visit if the dog will be present. It's the best we can do. We have asked them how they'll feel if it happens to another one of the grandkids, and my mother-in-law is convinced that it won't ever happen again.

My feeling is that the dog got away with drawing blood and all that happened was that he was chased outside for a while. Nothing taught her that what she did was completely unacceptable. She'll bite again, but I know for sure that it won't be my kids.

I'm terrified of the idea that my nieces and nephews will still be around that dog in the future.

Your in-laws are idiots. The dog decided your son was easy pickings and went after him. The dog has tasted human flesh. IT MUST BE PUT DOWN! This is a tragedy waiting to happen. You guys are just lucky people were in the room when this happened. The dog could have mauled both kids in a matter of seconds. Your in-laws are truly fucking idiots. They've only had the damn dog for 6 months. Put the dog down and start with a puppy this time.

 

[GaimeGuy]

The Dog is old school. Played some Shinobi.

I really can't believe that there are people who don't want the dog to be put down. Do you guys know how we domesticated dogs? A big part of it was killing the ones that attack people or to be more pc, too wild.

Yep.

And since pit bulls were specifically bred to be aggressive, persistent, hair-trigger to provocation, AND physically dominant, in a way, the breed is an attempt at un-domestication.

That's why I and many others don't like pit bulls as pets. Not because they can't be loving companions, but because they're dogs which were bred for traits that reverse the process of domestication. They're less domesticated by design.

 

[geebee]

lol everyone overreacting. Be mad at the fucking adults that weren't really watching the kid. He could've been killed, so somebody's got to be lying to avoid taking fault.

 

[Cat Party]

Liability-wise, you're a fool to own a pit bull. Insurance companies are getting wise, because they are tired of paying out the ass for the injuries these dogs cause. Which means you may get stuck paying the bills out of your own pocket when your pit bull bites someone. Good luck with that.

 

[ElFly]

Yeah my kids would not visit their grandpas ever again if that dog was still living in the house, period.

 

[Abounder]

Yea I'd be mad at the dog and wanting it put down, but I'm more mad at the in-laws and not taking the 1 year old to emergency care ASAP

As someone whose lived with dogs (and have 3 now) but mostly the toy dachshund type...it isn't worth having a dog within sprinting reach of small children for both the dog and kids. Keep them outside (humanely). Even the damn Dog Whisperer got bit by a doxie.

 

[charsace]

lol everyone overreacting. Be mad at the fucking adults that weren't really watching the kid. He could've been killed, so somebody's got to be lying to avoid taking fault.

I'm more mad at the adults for acting like idiots after the fact. It is a must that this dog gets put down. As far as pets are concerned people have gotten dumber in regards to them. This thread shows how people have lost their minds when it comes to pets.

 

[kirblar]

Liability-wise, you're a fool to own a pit bull. Insurance companies are getting wise, because they are tired of paying out the ass for the injuries these dogs cause. Which means you may get stuck paying the bills out of your own pocket when your pit bull bites someone. Good luck with that.

But can you really trust a poster's advice about dogs when they have the name Cat Party? They obviously have an agenda....

Spoiler

 

[Raptor]

Advocating murder/animal cruelty?

If that will prevent a tragedy?

Yes I am.

 

[Jag]

It sounds like your wife was doing all the right things by keeping an eye on the kid and using an older kid to help, but it was still a viscous attack. Nothing you can do if they won't put the dog down except forbid your kids from ever visiting that house while the dog is there. It will cause family drama, but they are putting the dog over your kid, so stand your ground on this.

Glad your son is ok, the Vitamin E/Cocoa butter should help with scaring and keep him out of direct sunlight until the scabs are gone.

 

[GK86]

What kind of knife would you have used Mr. badass?

 

[entremet]

lol everyone overreacting. Be mad at the fucking adults that weren't really watching the kid. He could've been killed, so somebody's got to be lying to avoid taking fault.

You didn't read the thread, did you?

Sorry OP, but your inlaws are a piece of work.

 

[shira]

Ok, here's the full story...not quite as vicious as originally relayed, but still ridiculous.

My wife had Jason (our 1-year old) in the bathroom with her. She was taking him with her to avoid letting him walk around the house by himself. She had been doing this the whole trip, actually. Anyway, our 4-year old, Tyson, was out in the living room on the couch, playing with his tablet. My brother-in-law, who is 15, was playing Xbox on the couch next to him.

Jason started pounding on the door, wanting out. My wife had put the dog out, so she called out to Tyson and told him to watch Jason for a minute. It was literally going to be less than a minute. Jason walked out to Tyson and was watching him play. Someone went and let the dog in, and it came up to my kids. My brother-in-law at this point was supposed to put her back out, but he kept on with his game.

My older son, grabbed Jason's hand and started to move him back, because he'd seen us move him away from the dog the whole time. When he pulled on Jason, the dog snapped. Luckily he was pulling on Jason, because it caused it to just graze him rather than clamp down. At that my wife was coming back into the room and she grabbed Jason and my brother-in-law had pulled the dog back. My father-in-law was on the other side of the room and he was just dumbfounded.

Scary situation, and it's more of a close call than something serious. Thank goodness.

Here he is late last night, after he got treatment. He has another puncture lower on his cheek, which is the one that will scar. That one next to his eye should not. The cut on his forehead most definitely will scar.

Oh man that sucks. T.T

Dada why I gotta scar? Xbox. . .

 

[charsace]

What kind of knife would you have used Mr. badass?

I'm guessing a knife that cuts?

 

[RockTurtle]

Look, ANY dog can snap and attack.

However, not every dog breed has the destructive power of a Pitbull.

The concern isn't just that a pitbull is just naturally bred to attack, but that it was SPECIFICALLY bred for destruction.

The wide Jaws. The strong neck Muscles. the Insane pain threshold. The low-to-the-ground build. A pitbull is not a bite and let go breed. It's a Bite and rip and shred breed.

Even veterinarians have warning signs about bringing pitbulls to their offices, and they see every breed under the sun.

 

[shadyspace]

Ok, here's the full story...not quite as vicious as originally relayed, but still ridiculous.

My wife had Jason (our 1-year old) in the bathroom with her. She was taking him with her to avoid letting him walk around the house by himself. She had been doing this the whole trip, actually. Anyway, our 4-year old, Tyson, was out in the living room on the couch, playing with his tablet. My brother-in-law, who is 15, was playing Xbox on the couch next to him.

Jason started pounding on the door, wanting out. My wife had put the dog out, so she called out to Tyson and told him to watch Jason for a minute. It was literally going to be less than a minute. Jason walked out to Tyson and was watching him play. Someone went and let the dog in, and it came up to my kids. My brother-in-law at this point was supposed to put her back out, but he kept on with his game.

My older son, grabbed Jason's hand and started to move him back, because he'd seen us move him away from the dog the whole time. When he pulled on Jason, the dog snapped. Luckily he was pulling on Jason, because it caused it to just graze him rather than clamp down. At that my wife was coming back into the room and she grabbed Jason and my brother-in-law had pulled the dog back. My father-in-law was on the other side of the room and he was just dumbfounded.

Scary situation, and it's more of a close call than something serious. Thank goodness.

Here he is late last night, after he got treatment. He has another puncture lower on his cheek, which is the one that will scar. That one next to his eye should not. The cut on his forehead most definitely will scar.

You're raising up your 4 year old to be a good big brother. Good job.

 

[Incitemaybe]

I'm glad your son is ok.

I'm not sure about putting the dog down but I would definitely get rid of it.


Once again, I'm glad it wasn't worse.

 

[bengraven]

It doesn't matter how docile the dog is, or it's breed, some dogs are NOT good bedfellows with children, especially very young children.

I don't trust any dog around a young child, because I've known of incredibly friendly, sometimes even kid friendly dogs, that flip out on younger children.

Best friend had a three year old pit, loved his 5 year old to death. Three weeks after they brought their newborn home she suddenly turned and was growling, clawing at the baby gate, trying to fucking mangle the baby. They got rid of her, obviously.

You just never know with animals period, just like you never know with humans.

 

[cyberheater]

What kind of knife would you have used Mr. badass?

An injection.

 

[Zee-Row]

Pitbulls really should be banned IMO. I also hate the people that own them. Its usually the gangster wannabes.

 

[Coins]

These pit bull threads are always full of experts that got their knowledge from the sensationalist media. There are numerous documentaries on Netflix that really show how frequent pit bull attacks are versus how many dog attacks from other breeds happen in the US on a daily basis. I'm glad this pops up though. Let's me know who to watch out for in other threads when I'm curious who the easily deceived and misled are.

 

[entremet]

These pit bull threads are always full of experts that got their knowledge from the sensationalist media. There are numerous documentaries on Netflix that really show how frequent pit bull attacks are versus how many dog attacks from other breeds happen in the US on a daily basis. I'm glad this pops up though. Let's me know who to watch out for in other threads when I'm curious who the easily deceived and misled are.

The issues is not just about biting, but how aggressive the bites are and their tendency to shred and rip.

 

[T.M. MacReady]

ITT: Everyone thinks they're an expert on why the dog is to blame/the owner is to blame.

The answer lies somewhere in between. Wishing a speedy recovery to OP's kid.

 

[chaostrophy]

Dude, just take that dog away and put it down or something even if they don't want to.

IMO.

Really? Instead of just not taking the kid back to the house, or even calling the cops?

 

[Ether_Snake]

Cute kid OP.

Whatever happened, I know ANY dog will get angry/growl/attack if someone hits someone else. I remember if I hit my own arm in front of my friend's chihuahua, it would bark at me and try to bite me. So it's not surprising that if two kids are playing together, a dog might attack.

 

[.GqueB.]

There should be 2 separate licenses, and they should apply to all dogs/cats. There should be either an ownership license, or a breeding license. Anyone should be able to get an ownership license if they agree to two simple terms. 1. They are absolutely required to get the animal spayed/neutered. 2. They should be required to prove they are capable of taking care of the animal. So if they are getting a big dog they need to prove they can train and handle it. The license would also need to cost some small amount of money. Maybe $20-$30 tops.

A breeding license should be much more difficult to acquire to keep the pet population down. There is a huge overpopulation issue with dogs/cats. It's heart breaking to hera about all the dogs/cats that get put down because nobody wants them.

If you are caught with a pet and don't have a license, you get a warning initially to give you the opportunity to get one. If you fail to do so, your pet(s) are confiscated. Pet ownership is a responsibility that many people can't handle and their animals suffer for it.

Agreed. There needs to be a bit more control over who can own what type of dog. Even for the sake of the pet. I'm tired of seeing giant dogs living in small shitty ass apartments just because the owner wanted a big dog.

My old boss had a rottweiler and had this small ass studio which was bad enough. On top of that, she weighed all of 100 pounds so whenever the dog decided it wanted to be somewhere else, it would just pull her along. Her first dog bit one of her friends in the face and the second one attacked someone on an elevator.

But yea she just loves rottweilers. Mostly because she can tell people she owns one.

 

[commedieu]

These pit bull threads are always full of experts that got their knowledge from the sensationalist media. There are numerous documentaries on Netflix that really show how frequent pit bull attacks are versus how many dog attacks from other breeds happen in the US on a daily basis. I'm glad this pops up though. Let's me know who to watch out for in other threads when I'm curious who the easily deceived and misled are.

In all fairness, the one woman behind disparaging pit bulls did a great job making her site/info look like its from some official foundation. Pits are fine, more kids around me were bitten by cocker spaniels than pits. The breed doesn't just go insane at the drop of a dime. Dogs do, for sure. But that is because they are animals. Training goes a long way for domesticated dogs, you still can't cut down on 100% of accidents.

I fear that a lot of people over-value their training. You still have to remember there will always be a chance, no matter how unlikely. Its nothing to constantly fear, but its something to be mindful of when dealing with dogs, and other people interacting with them.

We have a pitbull in the office, shes huge, is free to roam around, and is total teddy bear. But, her owner keeps tabs on her. If she gets too excited, he takes her into his office.

 

[kirblar]

The issues is not just about biting, but how aggressive the bites are and their tendency to shred and rip.

That's what seems to be the case. It's not so much that they'll attack more than other breeds, but that when they do attack the damage tends to be more severe.

 

[creationtheory]

If it was me I'd pay for a plane ticket just to go kill the dog myself.

 

[PanicFreak]

Yep.

And since pit bulls were specifically bred to be aggressive, persistent, hair-trigger to provocation, AND physically dominant, in a way, the breed is an attempt at un-domestication.

That's why I and many others don't like pit bulls as pets. Not because they can't be loving companions, but because they're dogs which were bred for traits that reverse the process of domestication. They're less domesticated by design.

You can domesticate the breed back to be gentle if you want. The problem is that SOME people breed them to be fighters.

Look at what a short period of domestication can do

 

[Aiustis]

That's terrible. I hope at least he'll end up with minimal emotional scars. I was bit by a german shepherd and I'm pretty much terrified of most large dogs.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

If your wife agrees with you that the dog should be put down, I would burn the bridges like another poster stated.

I wouldn't give two shits about the family drama because it proves to me that my inlaws care more about an animal than their own grandchildren. It's always the 'how can this happen' attitude when dog owners get slapped with a dose of reality that their pet is actually an animal.

 

[Swig_]

I don't understand how people who own a pitbull don't realize that they need to keep them away from kids. If I owned a Pitbull, it wouldn't go anywhere near children, whether they lived with me or were visiting.

It's not the dogs fault. The owner needs to be more responsible with it around children.

 

[Hawkian]

It doesn't matter if a breed is the most zen breed on the planet. If their bite is capable of severe damage or death they shouldn't be allowed for domestic ownership.

Do you have any idea how many creatures you just disqualified for domestic ownership, including many service, guide, comfort and guard dogs?

 

[Takuan]

Your in-laws are morons and have no business owning that pitbull if they're going to be this lax about disciplining it.

 

[RedShift]

Yeah your father in law is a shitty grandparent (and even shittier at training/choosing dogs apparently).

Don't let any of your kids go there again while that dog is anywhere near. You could report the incident and they'd be forced to put it down but that would probably be going a bit far.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Your in-laws are morons and have no business owning that a pitbull if they're going to be this lax about disciplining it.

Yep.

Bringing a monster like a pitbull in the house? What morons. Pitbulls should be raised RIGHT: kept in their pens until they are ready to fight to the death with another pItbull. I agree with you 100%.

 

[J_Lee]

Sorry to hear about your kid OP I had to actually stop my family dog from trying to attack my mother when I was about 16 it can be rather intense to say the least.


I can not believe the misinformation about Pit Bulls in this thread, I hate to tell everyone but all animals can be unpredictable not matter what it is. Pit Bulls do not try and kill when they bite or have some croc like bite, does the OPs son look like he was trying to be killed or a croc bite? No. To me this looks like a accident that could of happen with any dog, but I know for a fact if it wasn't a Pit Bull this thread would of went in a completely different direction.

The only reason Pit Bulls have a stigma of being so aggressive is because of the media as soon as a Pit Bull does something the media can't get over themselves. I can site many reports of Golden Retrievers killing or maiming their owners or children.

 

[Roland1979]

The only dog i have ever been bit by was a pit-bull. And it did not let go. They do not have some jaw lock as some myth used to be, it's something in their brain that tells them to not let go no matter what. At one point he literally hang on my hand. I was glad he was't hanging on my throat or face, but scared he would start shaking his head, so by lifting he had no grip with the ground and all his weight on his neck hoping shaking would be uncomfortable and tiring for him (still, they are very strong and if he wanted so he would probably get loose). I don't like the race in general even though a lot are sweet but i doubt a ban would be effective, plus IF you argue they have to be banned then IMO all strong/large/powerful/fighting dogs should be banned, for example that would include Rottweilers. In The Netherlands we had a pit bull ban, which lead to more incidents, because it let to illegal, untrained breeding and a lack of aftercare and information. There are dogs that are far more likely to bite (like Golden Retrievers), however IF a pit-bull actually attacked.... well good luck diffusing that situation. Oh and the dog attacked unprovoked. I have been around lots of powerful breeds from Boxer, Dogo Argentino, Mastino Napoletano, Dobermann, Rottweiler, German Sheppard, Mastiff, etc. But seeing pit-bulls and the number of people with them has something alarming. I also don't like the fact that a lot of them have this "silence" over them (which is normally a alarming signal with dogs) or stare you in the eyes, something most dogs avoid. I remember seeing a much wider variety of dogs 15 years ago.

 

[yongeandcollege]

OR if you're the grandfather and it's your grandson?

Kid's life > dog's life

I'm not a grandpa so I can't say, but I'd imagine so.

 

[No Love]

These pit bull threads are always full of experts that got their knowledge from the sensationalist media. There are numerous documentaries on Netflix that really show how frequent pit bull attacks are versus how many dog attacks from other breeds happen in the US on a daily basis. I'm glad this pops up though. Let's me know who to watch out for in other threads when I'm curious who the easily deceived and misled are.

Guess you don't like cold, hard facts, do you? Here, let me invite you to the reality of the situation:

Pediatric dog bite injuries: a 5-year review of the experience at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Kaye AE, Belz JM, Kirschner RE.
Source
Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pa 19104, USA.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
The objective of this study was to characterize the nature of dog bite injuries treated over a 5-year period at a large tertiary pediatric hospital and to identify relevant parameters for public education and injury prevention.
METHODS:
Investigators performed a retrospective review of emergency room records of a single tertiary pediatric hospital. Records of all patients who were evaluated for dog bite injuries between April of 2001 and December of 2005 were reviewed. All demographic, patient, and injury details were recorded.
RESULTS:
Five hundred fifty-one patients aged 5 months to 18 years were treated in the emergency department after suffering dog bite injuries during the study period. The majority of injuries (62.8 percent) were sustained by male children. Dog bite injuries were most prevalent during the months of June and July (24.1 percent). Grade school-aged children (6 to 12 years) constituted the majority of victims (51 percent), followed by preschoolers (2 to 5 years; 24.0 percent), teenagers (13 to 18 years; 20.5 percent), and infants (birth to 1 year; 4.5 percent). Injuries sustained by infants and preschoolers often involved the face (53.5 percent), whereas older children sustained injuries to the extremities (60.7 percent). More than 30 different offending breeds were documented in the medical records. The most common breeds included pit bull terriers (50.9 percent), Rottweilers (8.9 percent), and mixed breeds of the two aforementioned breeds (6 percent).

HMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[vas_a_morir]

I'm not a grandpa so I can't say, but I'd imagine so.

What if your grandson was Pitbull?

 

[Takuan]

Yep.

Bringing a monster like a pitbull in the house? What morons. Pitbulls should be raised RIGHT: kept in their pens until they are ready to fight to the death with another pItbull. I agree with you 100%.

Uh, ok.

 

[jmdajr]

Of all the breeds, why would you want to own that one.

I feel like people just want to make some sort of statement.

"Look at me, I was able to raise this potentially dangerous dog properly! I had what it takes!"

 

[joelseph]

Guess you don't like cold, hard facts, do you? Here, let me invite you to the reality of the situation:

Unfortunately the "Pittbull-Terrier" classification in these reports is often applied liberally to lots of dogs, whether they are actual pittbulls or not.

 

[J_Lee]

Guess you don't like cold, hard facts, do you? Here, let me invite you to the reality of the situation:



HMMMMMMMMMMMM

What is the most common breed of dog in Philadelphia HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[Odrion]

plus IF you argue they have to be banned then IMO all strong/large/powerful/fighting dogs should be banned, for example that would include Rottweilers.

I grew up with a Rottweiler, she was the sweetest dog in the world blah blah etc. etc. violin strings.

And I agree with this.

 

[Camp Lo]

Dogs bite, even the "nice ones".

 

[vas_a_morir]

Unfortunately the "Pittbull-Terrier" classification in these reports is often applied liberally to lots of dogs, whether they are actual pittbulls or not.

Yep. If we classified these attacks correctly, APBT probably only accounted for a large plurality of the attacks, rather than a narrow minority. Like, 43% at most. But you'll never hear that number from the biased mainstream sensationalist media.