deputyspade
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It all boils down to blind brand loyalty. Why upgrade at all if you're content with 720p? Why not stick with the 360. It's getting COD Ghosts in 720p and Titanfall as well.
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It all boils down to blind brand loyalty. Why upgrade at all if you're content with 720p? Why not stick with the 360. It's getting COD Ghosts in 720p and Titanfall as well.
There's no way Ghosts or TitanFall will be 720p on 360, unless they're 30fps.
Not really. Some people simply don't care.
deputyspade
Member
Then why are they upgrading to $500 next gen consoles? I'm assuming most of the people saying they don't care about graphics are buying the xb1. Some of them are being disingenuous as someone above mentioned. I don't think the gimmicks of the xb1 are what are enticing most of these guys to want to lay out $500 for it.
Games maybe?
As long as the games look better than what they are playing now (sub-HD) and are appealing, many simply won't care about the console not being #1 in power within its gen.
kikonawa
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why not? its not only resolution that differs between console generations.
quieter (and new) console
new controller
better textures
better particles
better online
I'm neither blind nor loyal.
truth is I'll be sticking to my WiiU until as long as possible. no getting any console day 1 anymore.
so far neither PS4 nor X1 have anything meaningfull to offer after Destiny/Titanfall hit and next years Xmas AAA line-up shows up.
been there and done that with WiiU. no more.
for 2014 Titanfall + Destiny + Halo 5 on ONE console are good enough for my FPS cravings. other, potential, games are bonuses.
I'll try and stay away from 3rd person perspective games on X1 so as to not be spoiled by better textures over what WiiU will offer.
geordiemp
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Black ops 2 is 720 and 60 fps on 360.
I think there will be better textures and lighting....
Because the 360 isn't good enough. BlkOps2 is only 880x720 on 360. TitanFall is even more demanding.
No, it is not.
BigTnaples
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Does anyone have a link to those old Uncharted 3 screens one of the devs released of a 1080p 60fps version he was playing at work?
Shit looked beautiful.
On topic. I am more upset with the lack of effects and physics and lighting, etc in Titan Fall than the 720p, though the 720p alone is a deal breaker. The gameplay does look amazing though. As I said before, if it is 720p I will skip the Xbox One version and grab it on PC or wait for possible PS4 versions.
Shit looked beautiful.
On topic. I am more upset with the lack of effects and physics and lighting, etc in Titan Fall than the 720p, though the 720p alone is a deal breaker. The gameplay does look amazing though. As I said before, if it is 720p I will skip the Xbox One version and grab it on PC or wait for possible PS4 versions.
deputyspade
Member
The 360 has good games too. Their arguments don't make any sense. The launch games on these new systems will be forgotten about after a few months anyway.
geordiemp
Member
Yes it is
720 and 60 fps for multiplayer, it just cheats a little on vertical lines.
"360 puts on a very impressive show despite Black Ops 2 running at just 880x720 native resolution.. Unlike the buckling update we see during single-player where it's often PS3 trailing behind, it's clear sailing at 60FPS for competitive online play regardless of which version you pick."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-face-off
so what evidence do you have that it will be much richer on ONE ?
That's not cheating a little, that's a 30% reduction.
The 360 isn't getting all of the XB1 games so it makes sense. Different people care about different things.
geordiemp
Member
I know LOL....
But I was trying to make what I think is a good point, the xbox one is supposed to be 8 - 10 more powerful
I have decided to go Ps4 and play some of the must have exclusives on my 360....I can live with a little less horizontal resolution for a couple of games maybe...
Although after playing some of the next gen eye candy good ness maybe it will be hard to go back ? Don't know.
I did not mind normal SKY and terrestrial SD TV until I got used to blue ray and SKY HD..going back is hard
Cheats a little? 720p is 1280x720, or 921,600 pixels, BlkOps2 is 880x720, or 633,600. Essentially, two thirds of 720p, so no, the 360 is not good enough to run Ghosts at 720p.
geordiemp
Member
I know I know, the point is its not the gulf that it should be.
I have 2 360's (me and 10 year old son) and pay 2 x live subs EVERY year.
I really wanted to buy 2 x xbox ONE. the option for 2 x Ps4 costs me 4 'live subs' a year as we will still go back to our 360 favs, that's nuts (although maybe some tricks I can do with Ps4, not sure yet - the one home Ps4 account thing and second console stuff is mind boggling)
But next gen, to move 2x 360's out of the dominant position under our 2 x 50 inch TV's next to each other (yes we are sad co op gamers), god I expected allot more from MS (and just annoyed at them really)
I explained it to my son (sorry for simplicity), the xbox one has gone a strange direction, MS like american football and cable TV stuff and have built a console to make USA happy, its still better than 360 but not by a whole lot. Ps4 is much stronger, cheaper. Many of his friends at school are jumping ship to Ps4, so he is now happy and has developed his first grudge against a company...
deputyspade
Member
I know what you're saying, but the guys defending the 720p are most likely console only guys and are sick of playing on 8 year old hardware. They want something new and shiny. They do want more power and graphics and shouldn't be defending Microsoft for shafting them with lower resolutions.
Pseudo judo
Member
They want the games. You don't understand, we get it, that much is clear but stop shoehorning your petty perceptions onto others with statements of "blind brand loyalty" it's obnoxious.
They can't be in that much of a mess if they can get the PS4 version up to 1080p native, PS was always the second system, they where always more MS slanted with development since CoD2.
deputyspade
Member
Aren't we getting a bit snooty here, judo? I'm just telling it like it is.
But it's very easy to do that compared to doing it on XBO.
The Cboat Cell comparison is the most apt. The 360 Xenon CPU had three PPEs, one of those was also basically in PS3's Cell CPU, but Cell also had a number of SPUs. Early in PS3's life, a number of developers had lead on 360, and when porting weren't using the SPUs at all. This had huge performance repercussions, but it was the path of least resistance. It's not that Cell wasn't capable, it's much more capable than Xenon in fact, it's that utilizing it was more difficult.
The XBO can absolutely run Ghosts at 1080p, IW (or whoever they've outsourced the next-gen ports to), just isn't doing it.
I understand the tech and all that jazz, the point I am making is that it is not IW's fault MS have made a hard to develop machine with immature tools.
IW might not be great but they can only work with what MS gave them.
Also I think current gen ports are the ones that are outsourced, not the next gen.
Kydd BlaZe
Member
When was the last time Call of Duty was 720p on current gen consoles? To my knowledge they've always been sub HD in order to maintain 60fps. Not sure how Titanfall will fare on 360 though, however considering the fact that it isn't even being developed in-house, I'm expecting a shitty port job.
Kssio_Aug
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I would not doubt about that.
Im really starting to believe that Xbox One is not that strong at all. Almost all games under 1080p, and none of them (except for Ryse) have a real next-gen look.
And yeah... I could agree that its normal for a next-gen start, but PS4 seems a lot more impressive to me.
Im really starting to believe that Xbox One is not that strong at all. Almost all games under 1080p, and none of them (except for Ryse) have a real next-gen look.
And yeah... I could agree that its normal for a next-gen start, but PS4 seems a lot more impressive to me.
BruiserBear
Banned
Because all their friends are buying an XB1? Because 720p Titanfall on XB1 is still going to look significantly better than Titanfall on the 360.
Because people want the next big thing. Xbox 360 is dead. Yes u can buy bf4 on 360. Many will do. But the others want that better graphics and 60fps bf.
Its not like the xbox 360 and the xbox one cross games will look the same because xbox one is 720p , there are other shit going on too.
Again. Xbox 360 is dead aside from the yearly ports. We wont get anything. Even ms doesnt have any games for 360
How would you be able to judge this? The Xbone clearly has a much weaker GPU, aside of their RAM situation. The "cell" comparison is not apt at all, because Microsoft's RAM solution isn't faster than what the PS4 has even when used in an optimized fashion.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
In everything we've seen of Ghosts so far, it appears to just be an up-res'ed version of the 360/PS3 versions. The new consoles are more than powerful enough over last gen to accomplish this.
marjo
Member
Because there's nothing whatsoever impressive about Ghosts, and there are XBO games that are 1080p.
Even if for some reason 1080p was a literal impossibility on XBO for Ghosts, and in no way could I believe it was, you can't believe that 720p is the best it could be. Either way, it is a question of developer resources being allocated to this, not the XBO limiting it.
It's about a complicated machine with immature dev tools, multiple devs are having problems getting Xbone games up and running in a decent manner.
CassidyIzABeast
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http://i.imgur.com/pKtFq42.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nOUoHkD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7n9PN6F.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cfpcKZs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iCHDIis.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sOEPFk7.jpg
Weaker gpu be damned, that looks awful by last gen standards.
disastermouse
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If, and only if, the platform brings something else you can't get on the arguably better platform. It hurts that the 'better' platform is also cheaper. It hurts that almost no one is drinking the Kinect Koolaid (including MS, who is not launching with a knock-out Kinect title).
Ninty's been surviving with weaker hardware because of innovative input and 'Dem Marios and Zeldas'. Microsoft doesn't have anything like that.
I only have a 720p TV so for me its not a problem anyway but i think you are being a bit unfair to the Xbox One (yes i do realise i'm on the Gaf), you're acting like all games will be 720p which is not true. Off the top of my head we have Forza, NBA14, Fifa14 and that Lococycle game that are confirmed 1080p, we then have amazing games like Ryse confirmed at 900p, there are other launch window games that we don't know for sure yet.
I imagine that more games will become 1080p as the gen goes on and developers get used to the hardware.
BOTH systems will have there fair share of sub 1080p games over the course of the whole generation, more on Xbox One for sure but as usual with some people on here, its being made out to be a bigger problem that what it really is.
Pseudo judo
Member
Assuming blind brand loyalty isn't telling it like it is.
Valonquar
Member
Uncharted 1,2,3 director's cut HD collection confirmed for PS4?
That's true, of course, but CoD sells twenty something million units a year, if there is any game that should be making the most of these consoles, it's that one. Acitvision should just throw as much money as it costs at it.
I'm sure it's difficult, but people do difficult stuff all the time.
Looks good to me. It will look better in motion.
Be careful, there is a new group that has emerged over the past few days that fervently believe 720p is ok now.
gutterboy44
Member
Woof indeed. I haven't seen recent screens of Ghosts. Fucking hell, no amount of P's is going to save that game. That looks absolutely awful for next gen. I have to agree the ridiculously high recommended PC requirements seem to indicate this game is an unoptomized piece of garbage across the board.
Edit: For the record, I think 720p is inexcusable for the next gen. Once you play every game at 1080p for a few years, you will never go back. It is no different from the SD to HD overlap period for me.
Yes please!.
crazygambit
Member
If this gen is any indication, it's probably gonna work the other way around. Right now a lot of PS4 games are 1080p, but as the generation progresses, in order to cram better graphics and more effects I see them dropping the res to 900p or maybe even lower. It's what happened this gen.
Maybe on the Xbone res will go up for the games that drop a year from now, as the devs get to grip with the hardware, but later on, as they get more ambitious I think resolution is gonna drop in favor of flashier graphics again.
sweetvar26
Member
Well, most of the popular 360 or PS3 games are sub 720p anyway, they had a hard time getting them to run at 720p.
I do hear what you're saying though, with hardware that is coming with a gap of 7-8 years, and after using 1080p TV's/Consoles since 2006, it is about time they make the switch for good.
deputyspade
Member
Don't be let the blind lead you astray. Saying 720p is acceptable for next gen systems over and over again doesn't make it true.
Marc
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It's not even funny anymore.
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Holy shit! Shahid actually saw the GIF, he responded as well as retweeting too.
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