But Jiggly?
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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But Jiggly?
FUNKNOWN iXi
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I've always wondered this..
ArchedThunder
Banned
This is factually incorrect.
Benzychenz
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MercilessMercer
Member
Aren't they all basically the same?
Is that supposed to be a sig?
Fighting Polygon Team were more varied and has the superior song! What did Wireframe and Alloys had? NOTHING! That's what!
Why have I never thought about this? It's actually kind of odd. I've always found Jigglypuff's inclusion to be a weird one though. She was a recurring character in the first season of the anime, but that's about it.
True. Might be difficult on the OG 3DS too, which I have.
Also, I don't believe there'll be a Direct next week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DIlAtGF4Ow
Only decent sounding Pokemon in X/Y. Even the battle cries of the new Gen 6 Pokemon sound as if they had been recorded with a rusty tin can. Horrible.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Possible major 3DWorld end-game spoilers in this thread, what I have to say next talks about it sooooo don't highlight the following I guess? :V
Assuming what the latter part of that OP theorises about Rosalina being an unlockable happens, I'm making a bet now that if Mario gets a newcomer with this game to fill up the void Dr. Mario left, it'll be Rosalina. She represents the Galaxy games, she's been in nearly every Mario sports/kart/party game after she was created, has moveset potential via shooting starbits/astral projecting herself/flying/wand/luma's/other gravity fuckery and fills the lack of females in Smash problem, which is why they went with the female version of WFT and I'm leaning towards Dixie being DK's 3rd rep. To me personally she's also the last 'likely' mario newcomer I find appealing; not a big fan of Bowser Jr./Baby Mario and I'd find Waluigi or Paper Mario in Smash dull.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
SuperSah..I know I like to tease you..but!!
Your avatar is amazing lolo
Your avatar is amazing lolo
Hot Coldman
Banned
I'd prefer Baby Mario, just because it's the only way to really get a second Yoshi rep too. Having a rep for arguably the two greatest Nintendo games ever would be cool, but Rosalina herself doesn't particularly interest me.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I'd vastly prefer Kamek if YI needed a 2nd rep to any of the babies. Despite YI being one of my favorite games of all time I still think Baby Mario was a mistake, and they've only ever been remotely bearable in Partners in Time. Rosalina at this point seems to be bigger than Daisy or Waluigi or the other 'made for cameo game rosters' Mario characters if she's showing up regularly in the mainline games, even outside the context of Galaxy.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
More than Smash, I'd love to see that character in a new Mario Strikers game. Would love to see them in that art style.
Though yeah, I wouldn't object to them in Smash either. I think it's come up in previous threads before.
Honestly I think the only Mario series newcomer that I could see happening would be Toad given his legacy as being one of the original characters from the onset of the series as well as his return to being a playable character in Mario series platformers in the last 5 or so years. Although I could also see Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario happening to a lesser extent. (although those two would be great surprise additions)
As far as Toad supposedly being deconfirmed because of his role as a Peach assist, I don't really think it matters at this point given how blue (especially) and yellow Toad seem to have more relevance than in mainline games than standard Toad, so either of them could be the "default". Although as far as color swaps go I assume that all three would be available.
In regards to (why are we using spoilers tags?)
As far as Toad supposedly being deconfirmed because of his role as a Peach assist, I don't really think it matters at this point given how blue (especially) and yellow Toad seem to have more relevance than in mainline games than standard Toad, so either of them could be the "default". Although as far as color swaps go I assume that all three would be available.
In regards to (why are we using spoilers tags?)
Rosalina, I certainly think she is a possibility, but I think she is more assist trophy material given her track record. She just doesn't have the history that other Mario series vets have, and she has yet to be playable in the mainline series games. (and given the close proximity of 3D World's and Smash 4's releases, I don't know if that appearance would factor in)
I am gonna disagree with toad, as I said before he is a grunt. A worthless grunt, for me it would be the equivalent of playing as a omochao. Why.
I don't even think he should have been in 3dworld, I think it should have been daisy, two guys two girls, it all works out fine.
Also he is already in peache's move, used as a shield/reflector thing, because even she only acknowledges them, as worthless grunts.
I don't even think he should have been in 3dworld, I think it should have been daisy, two guys two girls, it all works out fine.
Also he is already in peache's move, used as a shield/reflector thing, because even she only acknowledges them, as worthless grunts.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
Because some people are ridiculous spoilerphobes that cry foul at anything.
You write Toad off as a worthless grunt then suggest the second-class damsel in distress instead? Toad was playable before Daisy was even getting herself kidnapped, son.
get dat wacky looney tune song outta here and listen to greatness
Multi Man Melee 1
wat da heck r u? some looney tune?
SuperSah..I know I like to tease you..but!!
Your avatar is amazing lolo
You always tease but thanks!
I'm sure he was, but now they have other people to fill the grunts spot. So he should go.
" hey a character that people have been clamoring for an has sort of a unique personality, is a woman, and would be a way to reintroduce this character back into that games, and she has a unique color pallet"
" Lets put toad in"
" which one"
" i dunno make it blue"
Red Arremer
Member
To understand the logic behind her inclusion, Jigglypuff was much more popular in Japan than she was (and is) in the West, and she still is. The game never was intended to be released outside of Japan either, but it was so popular that Nintendo localized it.
Second, I remember that Sakurai stated in an interview or his blog on the Japanese Smash 64 site (I forgot which) that he wanted a second character capable of flying on the roster next to Kirby - something Meowth can't.
Isn't Jiggly insanely popular in Japan?
edit: just saw above post, memory was correct!
I played Smash 64 with my brothers quite a lot just a few weeks ago. It was extremely fun but I feel as though it's extremely specific to a... super-offence-zero-to-death-combo style of play.
My brothers were always Capitan Falcon, and I was always Kirby. I found it extremely easy to "gimp" them with his d-air. We'd even play on Dream Land, and from 0% a back throw d-air combo actually sent them down so far that their recovery wouldn't reach. Considering that (at 0%) landing a single hit almost always guarantees an additional 6 up tilts then a back air leading up to whatever smash attack you please to KO them, everything just got...too similar, I guess?
Still, I'll never forget those single few weeks of exclusively playing 64.
So much so that I've ordered a blue Kirby plushie.
I shall throw it at my brothers faces to remind them of the painful times I gave them.
I love the Polygon Team 64 music, but yeah... Multi Man Melee 1 is possibly my favourite track in Melee. It's amazing.
I am of the opinion that using Pikachu's anime voice is one of the worst things about the game.
(to be clear, I don't really hate the "voice" itself, but it's the fact they singled out Pikachu)
Box of Bunnies
Banned
This is the exactly the thing they should never do. Couldn't evolve my Pikachu soon enough to give it a proper cry.
If that is proper, GF needs to improper the shit out of all the pokemon.
Its a cute game about cute animals fighting, just anime that shit.
Charizard is still going to roar regardless.
I dunno, i have never held that much... i guess nostalgia towards to horrible can grindings that are pokemon cries. Pokemon say their names in the show, why not go with it. And the larger ones just roar, its cute.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
Let's go full anime.
We can just play Ash every gen instead of new characters. No more starters, you always begin with your Pikachu. Its stats are randomly generated before each battle though so sometimes you're stupidly overpowered and others you get stomped in fights you should easily win. You'll later be given one of what would have been the region's starters.
You can't win the Pokemon League. The end of the game is you lose then all your Pokemon are released as Ash leaves for the next region.
We can just play Ash every gen instead of new characters. No more starters, you always begin with your Pikachu. Its stats are randomly generated before each battle though so sometimes you're stupidly overpowered and others you get stomped in fights you should easily win. You'll later be given one of what would have been the region's starters.
You can't win the Pokemon League. The end of the game is you lose then all your Pokemon are released as Ash leaves for the next region.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
Sure, but if we're making one stupid change to something from the anime, why not go the whole hog?
Pokemon saying their names is stupid. At most, gen 1/2 cries should be rerecorded for better fidelity.
Remind me how Daisy differentiates from Peach? Toad may be a "grunt", but at least he has a unique design from the other 3 as well as much more history with the series than Daisy who could be written off as a color swap. (Luigi is exempt from this argument given his history with the series, as well as the evolution of his personal playstyle and design to differentiate him from Mario)
In regards to Toad, I don't understand the argument. Being a "grunt" shouldn't hold him back, you could apply the same logic to Yoshi, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, etc. in the sense that he is just one of a large species that occasionally serves/works for someone. Anyway I've said my spiel about that character, I just think he is a good opportunity to not only rep a lot of the new abilities and suits from recent Mario games, but also to round out what I consider the prime/legacy SMB cast. (aka the characters found in Mario Kart 64)
ShockingAlberto
Member
It seems exceedingly unlikely that they would announce Little Mac for Smash the day before their biggest two fall releases that in no way feature Little Mac.
That said, a Novemberish Direct with a new Smash trailer that reveals several characters would be smart.
Personality wise, Tomboy interests me more than dizzy princess, who for some reason chooses not to use the whole of her power to prevent her serial kidnapper from kidnapping her because reasons. And as far as playstyle goes, they could think of something, I believe nintendo if anybody can, can create unique platforming mechanics
You cannot apply the same logic, because everything you just listed, not only star in games, they actually do things. Toads for the most part, just kind of get knocked around or are just background people. Handling shops or giving you advice or stars, which is fine. But just because they have been there from the beginning does not mean they should be playable, toad being playable in SM2 seems more out of he was the only other thing there rather than anything else. I dunno about you , but I found a lot of people disapointed in having two toads, in the nsmb series, and a lot of people were disappointing in toad in this 3d world too. They wanted wario, or daisy, or something else. Ninetndo has shown these little guys to be helpers, and for the most part , that is all they should be helprs. I do not wanna play as Nurse joy, Or Navi, Or the vi, or... ok actually I would wanna play as cranky kong only because he is OG donky kong, I do not wanna play omo chao, or the weird statues in metriod. The only helping character I think I do wanna play as is palutenia, and that is because she is a god. Toad is some exchangeable bum on the street
Because playing as a toad, is like like letting play as nurse joy. WHY THE HELL WHY?
You have atomboy princess,
A space princess
Two anti mario bros
And if you wanna get really weird, you can pull some weird Disgaea stuff and have bowser JR mad at his dad for some dumb reason and let us play as Bowser Jr.
Hell if they wanted to get really weird they can have DK guess character
and a billion numbers down the list
its a toad, why do I want to play as this grunt. Please spice this up, also online multiplayer.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm talking about Direct that might happens next week but I know there is no way that they would announce Little Mac a day before those two biggest titles. I'm pretty sure that they would reveal Zelda to promoting Zelda 3DS.
However November Direct with Smash trailer with few characters would be cool if they went with it.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
No, we should just be using the Stadium cries, which are the Gen 1/2 chiptune sounds made to sound like animals.
It blows my mind that the mainline games haven't dug those out.
A new trailer would be nice. One or two new characters, one or two returning characters, a new stage or two. Just to see the progress they're making or even just to see some new footage. Yes that would be nice. I'm not getting my hopes up though. :/ Almost everyone expected a pokemon reveal when x and y released and we were all proven wrong. Don't expect anything no matter how logical it might be.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Jiggs was in due to being "common" with Kirby, as well as being popular during Smash's time. It being able to cause people to sleep due to singing is a dex entry in the games.
They will never do a mechanics trailer.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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I played Smash 64 with my brothers quite a lot just a few weeks ago. It was extremely fun but I feel as though it's extremely specific to a... super-offence-zero-to-death-combo style of play.
My brothers were always Capitan Falcon, and I was always Kirby. I found it extremely easy to "gimp" them with his d-air. We'd even play on Dream Land, and from 0% a back throw d-air combo actually sent them down so far that their recovery wouldn't reach. Considering that (at 0%) landing a single hit almost always guarantees an additional 6 up tilts then a back air leading up to whatever smash attack you please to KO them, everything just got...too similar, I guess?
Still, I'll never forget those single few weeks of exclusively playing 64.
So much so that I've ordered a blue Kirby plushie.
I shall throw it at my brothers faces to remind them of the painful times I gave them.
That's what made it great IMO, very punishable but allowed for crazy combos chains. You don't see the same combo potential in later games.
It's all about that spacing and capitalizing on your attacks.
Ahh, that makes sense. Too bad Mewtwo, Bowser, Peach and Wario never made it in as originally planned.
Yeah unfortunately I never see this happening.
I don't think you can really hold the SMB2/USA situation over Toad's head though, because honestly the same could have been said of Peach at the time of that game. I do agree though that having two Toads in the NSMB games isn't really necessary, I think Nintendo should have replaced Yellow Toad with Wario and called it a day just to diversify the line up. Aside from that though, I do think Toad definitely deserves his spot in the recent Mario games, heck 3D World feels like a callback to SMB2 so it would actually feel wrong for Toad not to be in the lineup for consistency's sake.
I don't have a problem with either Wario or Rosalina because the former is the star of his own series of games and has a unique gameplay style, while the latter has played a significant role in what is considered by some to be the best Mario game ever created. (and by that logic Rosalina is an even greater "helper" character than Toad that has yet to have any significant role in Mario games aside from helper character)
I would hate Daisy or Waluigi getting playable spots in Mario series games / Smash Bros. Both of those characters are the epitome of "ugh" and bottom of the barrel Mario characters just hauled out to expand the playable roster of spin-offs. Daisy's role in the main series is a thank you / game over screen in SML, hardly deserving over Toad. Waluigi doesn't even have that, the main reason why people like him is exactly because of how lame he really is. I'm actually surprised Sakurai bothered to acknowledge him as an assist trophy in Brawl.
I think one big thing you are missing however, is that Toad has his own unique identity and design that separates him from a lot of those other characters which I believe makes him more iconic than Daisy/Waluigi/Bowser Jr./Rosalina. For instance, the other plumbers in the series are heavily based off of Mario's design, the same goes for the other princess' being inspired by Peach, as well as the Koopalings/Bowser Jr. being based off of Bowser's.