DF/JF: Battlefield 4 PS4 vs XB1 videos/screens (900p PS4, 720p XB1)
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eso76
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BF4 on PS4 900p = whopping
Ryse on XB1 900p = LOL, TERRIBAD
(I need footage of the X1 version set to output in 720p need to know if we can expect extra AA)
- ive seen it mentioned in here that Frostbite 3 has a built in software scaler...possible that its being used here instead of the PS4's hardware scaling?...
- dedicated hardware is generally a better bet than software solutions...in just about any scenario
Caayn
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Preferences?! I prefer the colors of the Xbox version, but I also prefer the level of detail in the darker/black areas of the PS4 version.
bigboss370
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travisbickle
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Just read the xbox version doesn't have ambient occlusion or motion blur? What's going on? Is that official? Or theories based on youtube footage?
I see reading isn't your strong suit as you didn't even bother to read the first post. Df screwed up with their footage. It's time for them to be blacklisted.
Nightengale
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Devs saying these things, are major 3rd-party devs, non-indies and openly making games for both platforms?
MS and Sony are publishers, these devs aren't going to burn bridges by publicly shaming one of them.
I should be doing hw
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Can someone post a quick summary on what happened with DF's Xbox One footage?
On one hand, I agree with you. Xbone players shouldn't feel too bad because they get a game that looks somewhat decent (and by somewhat decent, I mean it looks slightly better than the PS3 version, and runs at a smoother framerate).
On the other hand, they should feel bad because this proves how big of a power difference there really is between PS4 and Xbone, (despite the fact that a couple people spout subjective arguments like "I HATE the edge enhancement!" or "I love edge enhancement!"). They should expect this to be the norm going forward, with pretty much every PS4 multiplatform game performing way, way better than its Xbone counterpart (in terms of objective, technical metrics).
Duxxy3
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Please read pages 1-60 instead of skipping through everything.
Digital foundry fucked up, they admitted it. IGN and JF have accurate footage.
Quadraphonic
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They used their own capture hardware instead of the normally provided stuff to the other press crew and because it was a rush job, they didn't notice they had one little setting wrong when recording, and it was too late for them to go back and re-record by the time they noticed it.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
But the nasty halos are apparently all Xbox.
Unknown One
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Some of the comments here are baffling. Reminds me of GTA4 when people said they prefer dithering and lower res on the PS3.
It's disturbing how many simply refused to believe basic hardware analysis months ago. No amount of "secret sauce" will change the results. Of course, the new argument will rely on waiting for exclusive titles that take full advantage of the platform. While naturally things will improve over time, and an exclusive game on a closed platform has benefits, I wouldn't be overly optimistic.
What I find actually surprisingly is the acceptance of this "sharpness filter" and "crushed blacks" perceived as actually better. Has it been confirmed if this is the native output or a result of DF affecting the test?
Compared to 720p that is a whopping upgrade 44% more pixels being pushed on screen.
brain_stew
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It's more than that though, given the higher performance and better effects. Somewhere between 60-75% would be the best guess.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Carmack, Kojima, Keiji Inafune to name a few.
They fucked up the gamma settings
SneakyStephan
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Can someone give a thread summary (story so far etc) or explain what happened with digital foundry (I'm not going to give them a click to find out)
I'm reading through the thread but I will be here all day if I have to read through 60 pages while it's still moving fast
compared to 2013 standards, 900p and 720p are both pathetic, 720 p is just a lot more pathetic
It's just abusing and cheapening the term whopping just to fuel the hype and PR engine.
I'm reading through the thread but I will be here all day if I have to read through 60 pages while it's still moving fast
compared to 2013 standards, 900p and 720p are both pathetic, 720 p is just a lot more pathetic
It's just abusing and cheapening the term whopping just to fuel the hype and PR engine.
Pop
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C'mon now. It's cause the DF capturing was messed up. Seriously go watch Jackfrags on youtube. Also just maybe Ps4 wasn't set to full rgb.
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Deleted member 125677
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To be honest, from the photo/video I've seen, I don't see that much of a difference. Maybe the upscaler works better on xbo, because I can't think of any other reason why. It's certainly not a gigantic gap between them, at least not that I can see.
I notice they both drop in framerate at about the same time, which is the most important thing.
Do we know what has been the lead dev platform btw?
I notice they both drop in framerate at about the same time, which is the most important thing.
Do we know what has been the lead dev platform btw?
If he did that he'd never make it to the end.
SuoGrey
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Yea man, glad I decided to SLI my rig instead...
intheinbetween
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lol xD
Clockwork
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And if your sole objective is to produce footage for a comparison piece I say don't publish until you can get it right. That's at least the ethical thing to do, although from a business perspective they probably couldn't afford to do that. Need those clicks/advertiser dollars after all...
DF article confims the ambient not sure if it does motion blur.
shinra-bansho
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Wait, there's no anti-aliasing? The article says that both are seemingly using post-processing AA. There are a crap-ton more jaggies, but I thought that was due to the resolution differences?
The "whopping" part is Digital Foundry's wording.
And actually, it IS whopping, compared to the Xbone's abysmal 720p output. It's the same resolution as the PS3 and 360 versions of BF4, for god's sake.
Why would Xbone BF4 at 720p have any more AA than Xbone BF4 at 720p upscaled to 1080p?
Nightengale
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Carmack admittedly didn't do a whole lot of testing, and even Cerny called out on that quote, saying that PS4's power is under-appreciated, though he did so in a most political manner.
As for the rest, why would they piss off MS or Sony? The reality is that the games can look 'almost similar' by simply having 50% less pixels, so that's not a big deal. Games can still be made and look good, pixels are just there as a technical advantage.
It's not as if Xbox games have to be 480p to have the same IQ as 1080p PS4 games.
Someone from DF posted in this thread, and said they were aware they messed up the contrast/capture on the footage.
Edit:"This leads us to a second issue that affects both console releases: gamma levels. We went into the review event having never hooked up our equipment to either next-gen platform before, and our tests with BF4 gave some curious results we want to revisit with the final game on retail hardware. Similar to the Xbox 360, Microsoft's new platform seems to enforce a colour push towards the lower end, leaving us with more saturated colours and deeper blacks. It's just cause to head towards Battlefield 4's brightness settings, but in the interest of a fair test we kept this at the default 30 per cent for all platforms.
Curiously, the top end is also affected, causing the image to appear distinctly washed out, as if set to limited range. This is particularly evident on PS4, which is kept free of a comparable black push to Microsoft's platform to compensate. Right now there's every possibility that it could be a capture situation, but it is worth noting that we saw no such issue on our PC captures and after returning to base, the same equipment produced a perfectly balanced picture on our PlayStation 3."
Metalmurphy
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You mean name the only ones.
Hard to trust anything Carmack after rage, Kojima has been cosy with MS lately and Inafune said the exact opposite before changing opinion over a 53hz difference... lol And all this after the multiple reports of the ~50% difference.
I mean the specs are known, there is no secret. The difference is NOT minimal.
The differences aren't minor, but it's not as wide a gap as to be driven into madness and to jump into the abyss of pretending to prefer the worse looking version. This unfavorable comparison doesn't invalidate anyone's decision of going with the Xbox One over the PS4, there are plenty of reasons, e. g. exclusives. I bought a Wii well aware of its technological inferiority. I never regretted that purchase. I will have to consider a lot of people in this thread either blind or dishonest because of their reactions. That's a shame.
DF used their own capturing gear, whilst other outlets used tech provided by Dice. DF footage is pretty different to the other outlets.
JackFrag seems to be widely seen as having the best footage, when you click on the highest setting.
Well, he said he'd let the games speak for themselves. Unfortunately, the games are speaking now so he's kind of backed into a corner and everyone knows what would happen if he did try and say something on here considering how heated this thread has been at times...lol
I guess it comes with cross gen dev on a time limit, looking at the mp videos though it looks as good as pc on high at that res so im happy with that.
IdiotMyshkin
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Straight from DF with no black crush compensation.
Can't fathom how people think the Xbox One look better because of the sharpness and saturation. Is it the same people who have sharpness on their TV set to 100? It just amplifies everything that looks bad. Look at the original pictures (PS4, XbO) and look at how the birds look more like strange blobs and how awful the road ahead looks in the Xbox One pic.
Xbone crane looks like shit, grass too.
Canis lupus
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Watched the jackfrags vids on 1440p, PS4 looks really good, thats the one I'll buy. Xbone version has lots of jaggies. DF videos are useless and compressed, only focused to see the framerates.
Should be added to the OP to be honest.
People who just woke up won't bother to read the whole thread.
GoofsterStud
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Who believes it was an accident... Pro X1 articles... Balance yet bottlenecked.... Etc. To much of a coincidence considering their last anonymous developer article.
SenjutsuSage
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0yc...ew-vl&list=PL3Z0xw5JKEcmvR_aUsYq8apvB_uIVUZd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cD_F0jTSac&list=PL3Z0xw5JKEcmvR_aUsYq8apvB_uIVUZd0
Despite all the hooplah, this game looks fucking incredible on Xbox One. Toss in youtube compression and lack of 60fps support, and it surely gets even better. If this game is any indication, then texture quality definitely need not suffer on this system. Lighting, shadows, shaders, particle effects, it all looks pretty top notch to me.
Still not really decided on the game itself, however. SP doesn't really seem all too exciting, but then MP was always this game's main draw, I suppose. I refused to watch anymore SP footage for fear of spoilers, but I couldn't resist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cD_F0jTSac&list=PL3Z0xw5JKEcmvR_aUsYq8apvB_uIVUZd0
Despite all the hooplah, this game looks fucking incredible on Xbox One. Toss in youtube compression and lack of 60fps support, and it surely gets even better. If this game is any indication, then texture quality definitely need not suffer on this system. Lighting, shadows, shaders, particle effects, it all looks pretty top notch to me.
Still not really decided on the game itself, however. SP doesn't really seem all too exciting, but then MP was always this game's main draw, I suppose. I refused to watch anymore SP footage for fear of spoilers, but I couldn't resist.
uncharted86
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Yeah, seems like JackFrags owned Digital Foundry in these comparison videos. Just like he owned them here
Link please ?