Playing an MP3 is a truly basic core functionality of these things. That's why.
MP3s aren't a feature, it's a standard at this time. Not supporting it is ridiculous.
The two types of posting you describe are not close to the same.
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Playing an MP3 is a truly basic core functionality of these things. That's why.
MP3s aren't a feature, it's a standard at this time. Not supporting it is ridiculous.
The two types of posting you describe are not close to the same.
Pretty much. I started playing online in the 90s and I was cool with every form of online gaming, except for paying to play (although this isn't my complaint with MMORPGs, since they flat out boring to me).
The Xbone's DRM was a huge fuck you to consumers, but just because that's one of the worst things that's ever been tried doesn't mean that any others are somehow not about fucking over the consumers either.
You're somehow saying that a SECONDARY function of a console, that not every console ever did and ISN'T required to have, is somehow worse than getting the PRIMARY FUNCTION of a console and for something you PAID for (when buying the game) denied to you unless you pay up?
Sorry, but that's a load of shit. Even if games aren't required to have multiplayer either, a lot of people buy these games (which funds the development and support of the multiplayer mode) to play online. This is something that's advertised and talked about in huge ways when getting gamers to want their games. Developers and publishers know this, and for many games, it's the main feature. Music and videos isn't something i buy my consoles for, even if i use those features a lot.
You saying the battle is over for the PS4 not having free online just shows you were just willing to bend over for them and comply with anti-consumer policies, but the fact that secondary function is what broke the camel's back is funny to me.
That's just so backwards to me.
As i said, I'm just boggled that so many people are crying about a very minor thing for a gaming console (considering the fact that most gaming consoles never included this feature). Makes me believe that people who are against this weren't against an online pay wall, given the fact that the online pay wall bitch threads were so small compared to this one.
So you have people screaming anti-consumer and other shit for a secondary function, yet pay wall? IT screams of hypocrisy to me.
The fact people even defend any of these anti-consumer policies just disgusts me.
StoppedInTracks
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I got your point it is clear enough. People complained about MP pay wall and on disc DLC for years. Remember the outrage @ Horse Armor in Oblivion 6 years ago?
Problem is those outrages and complaints didn't change shit. That's why people are complaining now about the MP3 issue - because they still think they can force Sony to backpedal.
MP pay wall, on disc DLC etc. are a lost cause already.
The basic function of a gaming console is... playing games and thats it. MP3 playback is absolutely a multimedia feature; same as Blu Ray Movies, Netflix, Skype, and TV overlays.
Uncle Rupee
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I never used this feature, but I can see why some would be annoyed it has basically been taken out. And it would have been cool if they had built a customizable particle-based visualizer for the PS4.
Strange decision. Smells a lot like Sony Music and Sony´s multimedia partners haven´t been too happy with consumers being able to stream from their home networks. It does make sense, in a ass-backwards way in which media companies operate. Limiting consumer choices to avenues which are revenue creating for rights holders. Which is obviously the losing proposition in the long run, but maybe needed to make suits happy.
Personally, I don´t care, because I watch my movies from BD and I never play music on the background when playing games.
Sucks, and I hope they change the policy.
Personally, I don´t care, because I watch my movies from BD and I never play music on the background when playing games.
Sucks, and I hope they change the policy.
its a really silly post from Yoshida. Either that or he is very naive (which I doubt). They know the PS3 is hugely popular as a media player. Sony even pointed out how popular it is for Netflix. They know we want it and I would guess they know whether they are planning to bring it or not
Then why are they including DLNA support in practically all of their TVs and bluray players? That information alone suggests that the omission on PS4 is timing rather than any concious decision to not support it.
boredandlazy
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I see where you're coming from, but it's much easier for Sony to gauge how many people use Netflix over how many people stream personal media over their home network.
This is another thing i hate.
The console isn't even released and you guys think the battle is already over?
You know what you can do to tell Sony/MS to NOT fuck us over? DONT BUY THEIR BULLSHIT.
I'm not giving a single penny to Sony. I'm not buying a single PS4 game. I'm not buying PS+. I'm not going to buy a PS4. All because I don't like their anti-consumer policies.
Don't give in. Complain. Bitching isn't enough.
You don't need a PS4.
By buying a PS4, PS+, and PS4 games, you know what you're doing? Saying anti-consumer policies are ok.
So anyone who pays up, it's YOUR fault that anti-consumer policies happen.
So don't fucking blame Sony, MS, Nintendo, Electronic Arts, etc, for all their stupid bullshit, because it's on you guys on why they do it.
Rndm
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Yosp just tweeted again.
edit: beaten!
So at least they know how much we did like some of these features and would have liked to get more (like NTFS-HDDs, .mkv, .flac and some more audio and video codes support) instead of losing some core features (.mp3, (btw will WMA/V still be supported, and .divx or just avi, and all the AVC/standard .mp4 like containers basically?)).
I'd like to get a full list of all codecs and containers for audio and video files that will be supported by the PS4 and I'd love to get the media server functionality back, especially to copy films that are bigger than 4GB.
And btw, one thing I never fully understood is why Sony who was always a supporter (and developer) of the .aac codec for audio, but all the soundtrack on the PS3 from the store have always been lame .mps's with a 256kbps bitrate. I still don't get what these companies are thinking sometimes
MMaRsu
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Yosp just tweeted again.
edit: beaten!
Make it happen please shu
Well, you're not entitled to their work on your own terms just because you're a loudmouth
Beats me. DLNA was originally a Sony project, which makes this even stranger. There´s probably a ill-conceived business reason behind this, maybe internal politics of Sony, but it really doesn´t make sense even from Sony´s perspective. At least not obviously so. Sony´s been really great at being open to developers and content creators, and this does seem totally contrary to that. And to the policies that were put to place pre and post PS3 launch.
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This might be just an oversight too. Things do get left out just because somebody forgot to write something to a doc or a powerpoint somewhere. Maybe they were so focused on being a gaming machine for gamers that it was just... forgotten?
Baffling, and I hope they are quick to come around.
Yosp just tweeted again.
edit: beaten!
He's going to make it happen.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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MP3+Earth Visualizer was bliss for parties.
Bring that shit back!
Bring that shit back!
fabricated backlash
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Playing my own music while playing on 360 was probably the best feature of the console. Playing Oblivion with LotR OST or Forza with some good tunes from Motörhead, or BFBC2 with the GitS2 OST was grand.
I hate hate hate that such a functionality isn't available on WiiU, and from the looks of it, both Xbone and PS4 also won't support it. Fuck that, I'm going back to PC.
I hate hate hate that such a functionality isn't available on WiiU, and from the looks of it, both Xbone and PS4 also won't support it. Fuck that, I'm going back to PC.
Liamario
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I agree with what you're saying, but for one thing. Regardless of any anti consumer policies; nobody needs a PS4. We want one and we aren't willing to wait- we like shiny new things and we are willing to throw logic and reason out the window to get them (to some extent).
Agreed.
So do you only play linux home brew games on a Raspberri Pi or something? Fact is, you can look at any hard line policy from any company as "anti consumer". Altruism does not exist in the business world. Who you choose to support is entirely your prerogative, but don't act like the rest of us are lemmings because we don't agree or care enough join you in that crusade.
Is the (consumer electronics) industry moving avay from DLNA now? It was a good idea, but all the implementations I've tried has always felt halfhearted. Usually a very limited set of media formats supported, and subtitle support was always troublesome.
I would be very surprised if one couldn't play mp3 streams through the browser. One could try and configure a subsonic server with html5 frontend.
An enhanced Music Unlimited-application where local/dlna music access is integrated and playable as well as streaming (if you have the subscription) would have been a better way to attract users to subscribe to Music Unlimited
I would be very surprised if one couldn't play mp3 streams through the browser. One could try and configure a subsonic server with html5 frontend.
An enhanced Music Unlimited-application where local/dlna music access is integrated and playable as well as streaming (if you have the subscription) would have been a better way to attract users to subscribe to Music Unlimited
I honestly do not agree. I understand what you mean, and since it is media and since it is a gaming console yes, any extra media could be considered a feature and games are the core.
But this isn't 10 years ago, when being able to play custom soundtracks and watch your own videos and look at your holiday pictures on the big TV easily was a feature. These things are now basics for a consumer electronics device of this nature. Time marches on, we no longer play VHS tapes, or 8 track, or tlk lik dis in txt msgs bcos of the limt on txt lngth. We do play MP3s, they are ubiquitous to almost everyone buying these machines, and it's not like they have to add extra hardware to support it.
The thing is, I'll never do any of those things as I have a HTPC, a phone and a tablet which all talk to each other. The PS4 not playing MP3 or video files means literally nothing to me personally, same as having to pay for online multiplayer means nothing to me personally, because I have PS+ already for the other reasons.
That doesn't mean it isn't shitty.
Yosp just tweeted again.
edit: beaten!
Yoshida: "Listen, I know the order came from us that we wanted to not support mp3s to encourage Music Unlimited subscriptions, buuuut... people are sort of angry."
Dev Team: "Ya think? We told you they would be! M...maybe listen next time?"
Yoshida: "Sure. What can we do to fix it?"
Dev Team: "Well...tell them we're so appreciative they loved the PS3 media functions! Tell them if they want those things, we have a system for that, and it's called PS3."
Yoshida: *nods*
Garrus Vakarian
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Watch them put the wallpaper and background music features in down the line just so they can say it is a "fantastic new feature".
Heck, PS3 was heavily advertised based on those basis. Sorry Shu but you fed us a load of crap with that one.
The question here is can the PlayStation team change the higher up Sony suit team's mind about this "fantastic" plan to get more Music Unlimited usage. My guess is probably not. As I assume when the plan was made it was already internally controversial but still made it in.
They'll launch with it, let it brew for a few months, see if the income from Music Unlimited has any significant change and is worth the consumer outrage and go from there. If sub numbers aren't worth the rage "yay an awesome patch for mp3 support!", if they are worth the rage, just keep ducking, dodging and lying around the issue and laugh all the way to the bank.
This all depends on what codec support is built into the PS4 web browser. As far as I know all we know about that is that its webkit based.
This is one reason why I want to hear someone try out the Plex web front end. It uses a HTML5 based player. So maybe as a stopgap that'll be useful as a local streaming solution for folks who use Plex.
For the 100th time, we get it. PS3 , Wii, X360 are not game-consoles and forcing a music streaming service is the true sign of a gaming machine.
Srsly, how much the marketing campaign has won peoples minds over is scary.
It's likely that they background the browser process when you launch a game or mute browser volume so it may not work in game
If they had other supported formats, they would have said so by now.
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I <3 shu
Shadow Ranger
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The lack of DLNA is sad as I used to use that a fair bit in the early days of PS3 for streaming movies and anime from my PC. Not so much now.
Custom soundtracks. I used to think I'd use that a lot. I barely did. I'd totally use it for games like GT, but anything else? fighting games, action? No, I always prefer the original soundtrack, but I can see why it's annoying to some.
Ultimately though I won't be surprised if this gets added in through a firmware update soon after. I gess the focus is games first and the rest follows as it's ready.
Custom soundtracks. I used to think I'd use that a lot. I barely did. I'd totally use it for games like GT, but anything else? fighting games, action? No, I always prefer the original soundtrack, but I can see why it's annoying to some.
Ultimately though I won't be surprised if this gets added in through a firmware update soon after. I gess the focus is games first and the rest follows as it's ready.
Yes, I do not think it would work in-game.
The following is completely my own opinion - I think that Sony is doing a huge disservice to itself by forcing Music Unlimited on the PS4 player.
Music Unlimited is a great service when it comes down to the selection of music and various good channels/genre compilations, but on a technical side it is relatively horrible. The web-based service is in fact disgustingly out of date and I was hoping Sony would fix this by now. They haven't. The PS3 Music Unlimited player looks nice, but it is horribly slow and cumbersome. The Vita application for Music Unlimited is perhaps the best one, but it's only on Vita.
And then there's the subscription price. Myself and many of my friends used the chance last November to sub for a year at the low-low price of £11 or something like that. The real price is simply retarded, even though Sony is now offering some kind of another cheapo sub for 90 days or something.
Music Unlimited is a great service when it comes down to the selection of music and various good channels/genre compilations, but on a technical side it is relatively horrible. The web-based service is in fact disgustingly out of date and I was hoping Sony would fix this by now. They haven't. The PS3 Music Unlimited player looks nice, but it is horribly slow and cumbersome. The Vita application for Music Unlimited is perhaps the best one, but it's only on Vita.
And then there's the subscription price. Myself and many of my friends used the chance last November to sub for a year at the low-low price of £11 or something like that. The real price is simply retarded, even though Sony is now offering some kind of another cheapo sub for 90 days or something.
I would take what he said differently if he said, "...We'll therefore look into adding some of these things for the PS4.", but since he didn't do that, his tweet is pretty much a simple statement to give praise to consumers without disappointing them.
I´m not making excuses for them. I don´t think that its a good thing that such basic functions are missing, and I don´t understand why they would do so. I was giving them the benefit of doubt.
They aren´t always out there to get you, you know?
The other guys fucked it up that badly that all Sony had to do to be the "good guys" was show up.
DLNA in concept is great. The reality is sadly that setting up a DLNA compliant system is more work and headaches than just streaming it directly.
I had a DLNA network at home. Worked like magic. Except my SmartTV could not communicate with my DLNA server. And subs never worked, neither embedded nor external. Also, transcoding is a bitchprocess that takes up a shitload of resources.
Now, i have a NAS wired to my network. 256MB ram and 2GHz processor, just streams the data to my various players (phones, HTPC, PS3, TV) no worries. Works flawless.
serversurfer
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Really? I think his first tweet said they were, since he specifically talked about not including them "at launch," and his second tweet basically says they didn't expect this level of demand for these particular features, both explaining their absence and implying they're no longer on the back burner.
bigbaldwolf86
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I'm the same. I used to listen to my ow music on my Xbox 360 but I haven't done that for years. It's not something I use or have any intention of using. Obviously there are people that do use this so it's understandable for them to be disappointed but I hardly think this sort of thing should be a deal breaker for anyone.
I'm sure if there is enough negativity aimed at Sony then they would change their stance on this. Surely it can't be that hard for them to add this in a firmware update
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