Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches

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Kerned said:
I don't think that there is any way Sessler is confused, he's been in this business too long. He understands the issue completely, but seems to be deliberately obfuscating and using misdirection (it's about the games!) when discussing it. This is frustrating to many people, especially when there seems to be a pattern of this happening a lot lately.
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But it may be about interpretation. People in this thread are talking about how it is about the same game performing differently on XB1 and PS4 while he's talking about the general perspective (from what I get), not even talking about the specific games. His message seems to be more about how he's more interested in the game design aspects and wants to discuss that.

Again, I can see why the technical aspects need to be discussed, but it may be just about him not being interested in talking about that. And looking his reviews, he doesn't detail much about the technical stuff either.
 
ThisWreckage said:
This guy is on my shit list and has been for some time. I've gotten to the point where I disagree with virtually every position he holds.

Resolution and frame rate was a huge selling point for 360 multiplatform titles and now it suddenly doesn't matter? Where's the Jennifer Lawrence okay gif when you need it?
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Diminishing returns.

If you own a gaming PC then you know this. Come on my man!
 
NoirVisage said:
Rationality suddenly takes hold after a generation of irrationality? Sure. There's rational, then there's rationalizing.. learn the difference.
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Explain this "generation of irrationality", if you don't mind? I recall multiple games getting worse scores than their counter-console counterparts due to framerate/resolution issues. The industry has always been aware of hardware gaps. They just don't raise as much shit about it as you'd like.
 
ThisWreckage said:
His bias is obvious. He threw a complete tantrum on twitter over the God of War trophy and continued to complain even after the name of the trophy was changed. He constantly defended Xbox One's DRM. He tried to say that the price difference wasn't nearly as much as everyone is making it out to be because Playstation Plus should be added to the price of the PS4 (what about Xbox Live and its hidden cost), he whined that he wasn't given free things and threatened to leave the industry over it, and now he is completely downplaying performance issues. I mean, fucking really?
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His complaint on the God of War trophy was ridiculous. When I finally reached that point in game I was baffled at how he over reacted on something that wasn't nearly as offensive as he made it out to be.

Overall I never really had an issue with Sessler till the past few months. He really is starting to irritate me now that he is also downplaying this resolution spectacle which really is a performance spectacle.
 
RoboPlato said:
I like Sessler but he's repeating the same misunderstanding of the argument I keep hearing over and over. We're not saying that graphics are more important than gameplay, we're saying that it's a serious issue when a considerably less expensive console offers the same games with substantially better visuals.
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And it's not like graphics make 0% difference in enjoying a game. Graphics are nice to have, heck the quality of the graphics will make games easier on your eyes, and the game more pleasant to play. Why don't we just stay at this gen if we don't need graphics. Tone down the focus on them, and just make simple looking games with more attention on AI and new game mechanics? Adam need to start playing indi games, is what needs to happen. Then he can be happy. The creative games are going to happen no matter what.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Does this thread remind anybody of when hardcore conservatives start losing their shit about the "Liberal Media Conspiracy"?
I'm getting deeply concerned that people have gotten so absorbed in the narrative that the PS4 is an objectively superior console, that they're starting to see a rational opinion as malicious.
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Nope. As someone who hasn't played a video game in a couple of years, and has stepped completely away from the system wars, I've recently started following bits of news to prepare for a new system purchase (sometime next year, mind you). I can tell you that I don't have a horse in this race at all, but it's pretty obvious that some journos are really trying hard to downplay the technical aspect of things, in order to not shade one system in a negative light.

Compared to their stances on the current gen, it's pretty hypocritical. I don't think it's paranoia, it's really just the demographic of this forum trending older, and having experienced more years of the industry, and seeing facts for what they are. The gaming media has come a hell of a long way from EGM and Nintendo Power days. The bias in this business is nuts, and there are most-certainly agendas in play. It's why I've not read a gaming article in well over 5 years. Even when I was playing my PS3 and Wii, I never read the tripe published by the industry. Click a video and put it on mute. Read a forum thread a week or so after the game is out. Otherwise, you're doomed to have to endure endless bias and cheerleading. PEACE.
 
So MS has the weaker specs and fell short on exclusive games (compared to Sony and Nintendo). Also a huge track record of ditching their console to jump on the next gen train early.

He's right it's all about the games. So i'm going with the company with the good track record that just so happens to be more powerful system and $100 cheaper.
 
The argument for XBone is exclusives, and multimedia stuff. The fact is that multiplats on launch day are running better on PS4, and will probably run better on PS4 over the life of the two systems.

People were jumping all over the Wii for "looking worse" and it absolutely mattered in the main stream gaming press, so why don't XBone's lower resolutions matter?
 
So, after I watched today's Sessler's Something, I thought the whole argument was odd, since I remember Adam Sessler's pretty much arguing that his expectation were always 1080p/60 for these two new consoles, and that they needed to something more.

So I looked up the video from his panel he did last June for this year's Screw Attack Gaming Convention, and well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mJl_zKAu0

Certainly, Adam Sessler has always said that games needs to innovate and show us(the consumers and the press) what a next gen concept is, but he certainly expected both the XBox One, and PS4 to be 1080p/60.

So now that we have confirmation that one system is clearly having issues with it, what changed in Sessler's expectations?
 
Khorino said:
But it may be about interpretation. People in this thread are talking about how it is about the same game performing differently on XB1 and PS4 while he's talking about the general perspective (from what I get), not even talking about the specific games. His message seems to be more about how he's more interested in the game design aspects and wants to discuss that.

Again, I can see why the technical aspects need to be discussed, but it may be just about him not being interested in talking about that. And looking his reviews, he doesn't detail much about the technical stuff either.
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Except that's not what he's saying in the video. He is suggesting that 1080p/60fps is not a worthy goal and that somehow we've set the bar too high.
 
BruiserBear said:
Uh, in the past week I have heard this same exact brand of spin from people at IGN, Polygon, Sessler, 8-4 Play podcast, Cheapy D, and GiantBomb.

To call this an isolated incident would not be true at all. There is literally an XB1 defense being put on by the media this past week, in response to the XB1 finally be outed for what it is. The most expensive console by $100, and the weakest by a fair margin.

It's embarrassing to watch paid "professionals" behave this way.
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Has Giantbomb said anything besides that webcam show with Patrick and Navarro?
 
Killing_Joke said:
So MS has the weaker specs and fell short on exclusive games (compared to Sony and Nintendo). Also a huge track record of ditching their console to jump on the next gen train early.

He's right it's all about the games. So i'm going with the company with the good track record that just so happens to be more powerful system and $100 cheaper.
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Wait. Where is this exclusive games stuff coming from?
 
Dreams-Visions said:
But he's right, though.

At the end of the day, I'd rather play a great game at 720p than a shit game that made the 1080p grade. It's the games that matter. 1080p/60 most certainly *enhances* the experience, but that's all they do: enhance what should already be a great experience. If an experience isn't great in the first place, no amount of pixels will make anyone want to play it more. This isn't to say higher resolutions aren't important, but it's the game itself that matters the most.
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He's not right. One console is more expensive than the other. BOTH the Xbox One and the PS4 have both Battlefield and Call of Duty. Those two games run better on a console that is more powerful and cheaper. The games are the same, the performance is not. People are blind if they can't see this. These are the facts we have as of right now.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Explain this "generation of irrationality", if you don't mind? I recall multiple games getting worse scores than their counter-console counterparts due to framerate/resolution issues. The industry has always been aware of hardware gaps. They just don't raise as much shit about it as you'd like.
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are you being serious? I think you better ask somebody who knows then get back to me so we can discuss the actual past.
 
Sooo... if it's "all about the games" (And last time I checked resolution and graphical effects were also a part of the gaming experience) and resolution and graphics don't matter anymore why are we even bothering to upgrade to a new generation? It's not like we can't make stellar games on PS3/360/Wii/WiiU, right? So why fucking bother dropping 400/500 + dollars this holiday for upgraded hardware at all? *shrugs*

It's really fucking stunning to me that so many people all of a sudden don't remember what makes a new generation great; the beginning of pushing the limits of what was not practically feasible on the previous consoles. That's the whole god damn point.

And when one console is failing to keep up with another when it comes to the advancement of said upgrade while costing much more in the process it's a god damn problem and should be addressed as such.
 
mmitt said:
one of the main issues I have with him (and a lot of others) is that all counter arguments are likely getting dismissed as "angry people on the internet being angry, how silly!"
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It took me a long time to learn this, but people who are angry on the Internet, while sometimes extreme, usually have an actual reason why they are angry. Those reasons are often worth exploring.
 
BigJoeGrizzly said:
Has anyone here considered that maybe people who have been in the Xbox ecosystem for a while (or are at least interested in some of the unique things the Xbone may provide), may actually prefer it for various reasons (friends, exclusives, online, etc), and are willing to accept that not all games will be 1080p? I would love for all my games to be 1080p/60fps with Ultra graphics, but there are other variables at play when deciding which console to purchase.

Full disclosure, I'm happy to be purchasing the Xbone, and I have 10+ friends who have all been on 360 for several years (that I have had so many great gaming memories with) that are all coming on board. Its hard for me to leave all the potential good times and memories I'll have with my buddies just because the PS4 has a bit more powerful GPU, and will display games in a higher resolution. If I have a choice between 1080p and playing alone, and 720p and playing with loads of my friends, I'm going to choose the latter every single time.
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That's perfectly reasonable. As is disappointment the One can't pull off 1080p well now. Not everyone bashing the One's current state wanted it to be trounced by the PS4. I would have loved the same parity as this gen where it came down to way more subjective preferences.

I do think it's interesting how many people are going with the One because all of their friends are. I'm curious what these friends think about the difference.
 
Pimpwerx said:
Nope. As someone who hasn't played a video game in a couple of years, and has stepped completely away from the system wars, I've recently started following bits of news to prepare for a new system purchase (sometime next year, mind you). I can tell you that I don't have a horse in this race at all, but it's pretty obvious that some journos are really trying hard to downplay the technical aspect of things, in order to not shade one system in a negative light.

Compared to their stances on the current gen, it's pretty hypocritical. I don't think it's paranoia, it's really just the demographic of this forum trending older, and having experienced more years of the industry, and seeing facts for what they are. The gaming media has come a hell of a long way from EGM and Nintendo Power days. The bias in this business is nuts, and there are most-certainly agendas in play. It's why I've not read a gaming article in well over 5 years. Even when I was playing my PS3 and Wii, I never read the tripe published by the industry. Click a video and put it on mute. Read a forum thread a week or so after the game is out. Otherwise, you're doomed to have to endure endless bias and cheerleading. PEACE.
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So you're the definitive opinion on gaming journalism here, because you've already come to the conclusion that it's rigged - without a shred of evidence? And by intentionally ignoring it?
 
BruiserBear said:
Uh, in the past week I have heard this same exact brand of spin from people at IGN, Polygon, Sessler, 8-4 Play podcast, Cheapy D, and GiantBomb.

To call this an isolated incident would not be true at all. There is literally an XB1 defense being put on by the media this past week, in response to the XB1 finally be outed for what it is. The most expensive console by $100, and the weakest by a fair margin.

It's embarrassing to watch paid "professionals" behave this way.
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Please don't take this wrong way but what sort of margin are we talking here? I am fairly uneducated in the technical area but from looking at the games footage revealed so far with likes of Killzone, Ryse and so forth I don't see a huge gap there yet.
 
Pain said:
There's nothing wrong with that. What people have a problem with is people downplaying the huge power difference like you just did and failing to mention the price difference.

To you and your friends I say this, weigh your options. Don't just buy Xbox One because you liked the 360.
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A resolution boost doesn't impress me enough. When I see PS4 games having physics and AI boosts that simply can't be done on the Xbone, I will be more impressed. I'm not buying an Xbone because I have a 360, I'm buying it because I LIKE the Xbox brand and the offerings that go along with it. Having a great deal of close friends that share that sentiment makes it a less difficult decision. I still don't understand how people can't get that through their skulls, some people want an Xbone because they LIKE the Xbone (I know, crazy right?).
 
Just watched the clip, obfuscation a go-go. Seems to downplay the use of power as a determining factor in the 'console wars' then says we have to wait until end of 2014 to see what games will have came out to make a better decision.

These games he says we have to wait for... are they exclusives? Because I am pretty sure that is not what this is about, it is about the same games looking better on a cheaper console.
 
BigJoeGrizzly said:
Has anyone here considered that maybe people who have been in the Xbox ecosystem for a while (or are at least interested in some of the unique things the Xbone may provide), may actually prefer it for various reasons (friends, exclusives, online, etc), and are willing to accept that not all games will be 1080p? I would love for all my games to be 1080p/60fps with Ultra graphics, but there are other variables at play when deciding which console to purchase.

Full disclosure, I'm happy to be purchasing the Xbone, and I have 10+ friends who have all been on 360 for several years (that I have had so many great gaming memories with) that are all coming on board. Its hard for me to leave all the potential good times and memories I'll have with my buddies just because the PS4 has a bit more powerful GPU, and will display games in a higher resolution. If I have a choice between 1080p and playing alone, and 720p and playing with loads of my friends, I'm going to choose the latter every single time.
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I told my friends I'm buying a PS4 and if they want to play with me, that's where I'll be. All but two were switching already anyway, and the two stragglers will eventually fold and join in.

Even if none of my friends were jumping ship, I'd still stay with PS4. I refuse to over pay for a lesser experience from a company that would rather sell cable subscriptions than games.
 
LiK said:
You guys don't like Adam?
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No. Between calling each new shiny AAA game the greatest piece of art that was bestowed upon the human race to constantly rushing to MS' defense for every negative issue I find there's been very little to like about him this year.
 
Tripon said:
So, after I watched today's Sessler's Something, I thought the whole argument was odd, since I remember Adam Sessler's pretty much arguing that his expectation were always 1080p/60 for these two new consoles, and that they needed to something more.

So I looked up the video from his panel he did last June for this year's Screw Attack Gaming Convention, and well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mJl_zKAu0

Certainly, Adam Sessler has always said that games needs to innovate and show us(the consumers and the press) what a next gen concept is, but he certainly expected both the XBox One, and PS4 to be 1080p/60.

So now that we have confirmation that one system is clearly having issues with it, what changed in Sessler's expectations?
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HAHAH

1:42 - "We're buying these new consoles! They better be running 60 frames a second at 1080p! No one is able to articulate some new thing we can do with game design. We're seeing it come out out, a little bit, believe it or not, of EA and Ubisoft."

Apparently 4 months ago it was totally fine to want 1080p. In fact, it was such a blatant assumption, that it wasn't even worthy of discussion. We shouldn't be caring about that since it should be standard.

Now he's saying it shouldn't be standard because ONE of the TWO doesn't meet that standard that he assumed 4 months ago. Hah.

BruiserBear said:
FYI folks, Major Nelson just complimented Sessler on this exact video.
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Which is exactly why Sessler MADE this video. To pander to MS's PR.
 
Derrick01 said:
No. Between calling each new shiny AAA game the greatest piece of art that was bestowed upon the human race to constantly rushing to MS' defense for every negative issue I find there's been very little to like about him this year.
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The guy really does have a knack for outrageous hyperbole.
 
NoirVisage said:
are you being serious? I think you better ask somebody who knows then get back to me so we can discuss the actual past.
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Are you serious right now? Review scores have reflected platform differences for years. It hasn't been the case recently (since both machines have been out-of-date, and usually experienced identical problems when compared to the PC) - but tons of games experienced it.
 
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