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[Turin Turambar]

I wonder if the game journalists understand that the "resolutiongate" and native vs upped (lol) isn't really about resolution. Resolution differences are the consequence of the root cause, the difference in power between consoles.

Yeah, right now that difference is showing in different resolutions of multiplatform games. But that won't be the case for the rest of the generation. In a year or two, we will multiplatform games with 2 versions: the pc/ps4 with superior graphics (better textures, shaders, lod, etc), and the xbox one with inferior ones.

Right now they are increasing the resolution in ps4 version because it's the quickest, cheapest way to use up a better hardware, but that will change with time.

 

[prwxv3]

Remember when everyone thought the next xbox was going to be much more powerful then the next playstation because MS had more money then Sony? Good times

 

[PhatSaqs]

Marleyman touched a helluva nerve lol.

 

[Marleyman]

Not all multplatform games are inferior though, and many are basically at parity. There's no 1080p vs 720p style differences. Any that are, are complete outliers.

They were for a long time.

 

[BadWolf]

Yeah but the differences were hardly noticeable. I can only remember RDR and Bayonetta as two specific examples where the PS3 version suffered.

But the differences this time are vastly greater! And resolution DOES matter to the average joe, because everybody knows the difference between 720p and full hd.

Bayonetta was just a really bad port though and wasn't done by PG. PG apologized for it and vowed never to let such a thing happen again.

 

[DBT85]

I just can't comprehend how anyone can not criticise a developer for not meeting the bare minimum of 1080 with next gen.

Like I should criticise you for not making a 3 course meal when the only supplies you have to use are 2 oranges, a small garden gnome and a bent spoon.

 

[Hanmik]

Sessler seemed to have contradicted himself; that much seems apparent. I also don't think resolutions are going to mean much to the average joe. As someone who has been in the loop, I think MS has been dishonest about the power differences and have some explaining to do.

thanks for this..

 

[beast786]

I think so. You don't think being hit over the head for all of these years about how Sony's multi plat titles were garbage in comparison wore hard on those who are loyal to Sony?

Curious,

Now if that was garbage then what do you call xb1 version ? since the difference now is expotentially more.

 

[Interfectum]

Remember when everyone thought the next xbox was going to be much more powerful then the next playstation because MS had more money then Sony? Good times

That's honestly what blows my mind the most. How MS let Sony better them this time around is one for the books. The Xbox One should have blown the PS4 out of the water with tech. Instead they opt for this Frankenstein all-in-one solution that no one wants. Did they miss the memo that no one gives a shit about Kinect anymore? Game sales data wasn't enough?

 

[le.phat]

goddamn ;0
she went straight into bobsled mode after that blow..

 

[Dragon]

I knew you'd appreciate the reference

Haha of course. Books have a lot of problems obviously, but I'm hating Universal right now for putting the movie into whatever development hell that The Last Guardian fell into.

 

[Marleyman]

Yeah but the differences were hardly noticeable. I can only remember RDR and Bayonetta as two specific examples where the PS3 version suffered.

But the differences this time are vastly greater! And resolution DOES matter to the average joe, because everybody knows the difference between 720p and full hd.

We have seen 2 games at the very beginning of the gen! The systems aren't even out yet. Let's revisit this in a year and then the indignation would hold more water for me. MS has a lot to prove; let's see if they can deliver. If not, I will be right there with the rest of you. I don't want to hear that they can't improve, etc...let things play out is all I am saying.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Curious,

Now if that was garbage then what do you call xb1 version ? since the difference now is expotentially more.

Recyclables.


I guess Sess doesn't get what is going on in this thread. He is dismissing the obvious criticisms of his argument and trying to call it hate. Disagreeing with someone isn't hate. It is a difference of perspective or opinion. If it is based on facts, like this disagreement is, then it is the duty of both parties to discuss the facts reasonably and not try to resort to ad hominem attacks.

 

[Mandoric]

You're saying resolutiongate might come down to a sort of misplaced sense of patriotism?

Patriotism, probably not.

People who have spent the past gen near-exclusively cultivating contacts at MS because their own audience is interested in MS's titles, and now have less access to info on the hot new platform than every JP 201 student who can pick his way through a 4gamer interview with a dictionary?
Yeah, their entire raison d'etre is under threat and their friends are in trouble, they're gonna be salty.

 

[todd360]

This is a very flawed argument. I am an Xbox 360 owner. I've never owned a PS3 or any previous PlayStation. This generation, I'm making the switch to the PS4 due in part to the performance issues that the Xbox One appears to have. So don't assume that anyone defending Sony is a fanboy.

FANBOY SPOTTED!

Spoiler

lol

 

[Marleyman]

That's honestly what blows my mind the most. How MS let Sony better them this time around is one for the books. The Xbox One should have blown the PS4 out of the water with tech. Instead they opt for this Frankenstein all-in-one solution that no one wants. Did they miss the memo that no one gives a shit about Kinect anymore? Game sales data wasn't enough?

I agree; MS folded like a cheap suit. They had the momentum and went completely against it with some of their decisions. They have rightfully backtracked on some things, but the power difference is clear as day.

 

[daman824]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

All you have to do is look at some of the posts in this thread to see that he is getting irrational hate.

 

[Interfectum]

We have seen 2 games at the very beginning of the gen! The systems aren't even out yet. Let's revisit this in a year and then the indignation would hold more water for me. MS has a lot to prove; let's see if they can deliver. If not, I will be right there with the rest of you. I don't want to hear that they can't improve, etc...let things play out is all I am saying.

The flagship exclusive MS paid millions for (Titanfall) is going to come in at 720p. That should pretty much tell you all you need to know.

 

[Ricky_R]

All you have to do is look at some of the posts in this thread to see that he is getting irrational hate.

Yet he doesn't address the rational/warranted hate. Wonder why.

 

[Interfectum]

I agree; MS folded like a cheap suit. They had the momentum and went completely against it with some of their decisions. They have rightfully backtracked on some things, but the power difference is clear as day.

The power difference, the message and even the name. Everything they've done has been one misstep after another. The ONLY thing they've done right is I think their launch lineup is a bit better than Sony's.

 

[Veezy]

All you have to do is look at some of the posts in this thread to see that he is getting irrational hate.

From some, possibly.

But the past several months have been odd coming from Sessler. I still watch his videos and I don't think he's a bad guy. However, specifically when it comes to the power and price difference between the two consoles, he's being a bit disingenuous.

Now, I don't think the internet needs to go into full on rage mode, but it's not unfair to say he's not consistent in his criticisms of the two boxes.

 

[EGM1966]

I really don't think their is any explicit bias or MS influence, etc. I do think a fair chunk of US based gaming journos/bloggers/etc are clearly struggling with the change in status quo (at least as implied so far) from last gen. You could guess various reasons from just gaming more on and preferring 360 as many US gamers clearly do to becoming used to praising MS for console power, ease of development and expecting PS3 multi-platform titles to at best be on parity and probably a little behind the 360 version.

Whatever - the fact MS have clearly sacrificed the strong game console focus on 360 for the XB1 while Sony have done so with PS4 is clearly phasing many an individual.

Looking at it from Europe and looking at early last gen the reality is right now the PS4 feels like the true successor to the 360 and the XB1 feels like the true successor to the launch PS3 (with it's extra BR gamers claimed they didn't want, card slots gamers claimed just increased the price for no benefit, etc).

I suspect this latter is what is really frying a lot of brains.

 

[belvedere]

Yet he doesn't address the rational/warranted hate. Wonder why.

Ding ding ding.

 

[perineumlick]

We have seen 2 games at the very beginning of the gen! The systems aren't even out yet. Let's revisit this in a year and then the indignation would hold more water for me. MS has a lot to prove; let's see if they can deliver. If not, I will be right there with the rest of you. I don't want to hear that they can't improve, etc...let things play out is all I am saying.

These are two high profile games, with big fan bases. Of course this would receive a lot if attention. Sure it may improve down the road, but next gen is now, and it paints a vivid picture.

 

[daman824]

Yet he doesn't address the warranted hate. Wonder why.

Because he already stated in the video that he would elaborate in a week or so? Or maybe because responding to the legitimate hate right now on twitter would only lead to more illegitimate hate. Fuel for the fire.

 

[Marleyman]

The power difference, the message and even the name. Everything they've done has been one misstep after another. The ONLY thing they've done right is I think their launch lineup is a bit better than Sony's.

The name has its purpose; I just think that purpose is lost on most core gamers. Agreed; the launch lineup is diverse and the volume is there as well.

 

[quest]

I don't know sounds like gaming journalists are just looking out for their own self interest like everyone else. It is in their best interest to have a tight closely contested race with fan boys on each side at each others throats. It helps build interest get people to their sites ect. It is no different than any other industry followed by the media. From Politics to sports the media wants people to think it is a tightly contested heated war. If the PS4 just rolls to an easy win like the PS1 and PS2 they stand to lose to be honest. The PS4 is going to start out with a very large lead they earned so I am not going to worry about it.

 

[CoG]

That's honestly what blows my mind the most. How MS let Sony better them this time around is one for the books. The Xbox One should have blown the PS4 out of the water with tech. Instead they opt for this Frankenstein all-in-one solution that no one wants. Did they miss the memo that no one gives a shit about Kinect anymore? Game sales data wasn't enough?

Apparently people with little kids like it.

The media stuff is the part that's the real joke. Gimping the architecture for the sake of cable box pass through is so MS LTTP. They launched the Zune just before iPod type device sales started to sag. They launched Surface way late in the tablet game. Now they launch a $500 + $60/year upkeep multimedia device in a world where cable subs are declining and you can get most of that other media stuff on your TV directly or from a $99 and under device with no subscription required.

 

[RedNumberFive]

All you have to do is look at some of the posts in this thread to see that he is getting irrational hate.

Is he now? Perhaps people just don't like dishonesty and a lack of character.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

The flagship exclusive MS paid millions for (Titanfall) is going to come in at 720p. That should pretty much tell you all you need to know.

Again, like CoD, this is just weird. The games look very basic on old engines. They aren't graphical beasts having to be ported to the Xbox one. What can we expect to see 2 years from now?

 

[nib95]

We have seen 2 games at the very beginning of the gen! The systems aren't even out yet. Let's revisit this in a year and then the indignation would hold more water for me. MS has a lot to prove; let's see if they can deliver. If not, I will be right there with the rest of you. I don't want to hear that they can't improve, etc...let things play out is all I am saying.

Just going to save you the heart ache. Will future games on the Xbox One look considerably better than these launch titles? Absolutely. Will the Xbox One versions of multiplatform games eventually reach parity with the PS4 versions? Nope. The gap will forever remain, the goal posts in terms of graphical fidelity will just move upwards.

As many of us have been saying all along (despite the varying misinformation and Microsoft PR being peddled by many), the PS4 is noticeably more powerful than the Xbox One, and the numbers don't lie. In almost every regard it has a relatively substantial hardware performance advantage over the Xbox One, and that is never going away. No software update, optimisation or improved tools is going to change that.

Again, like CoD, this is just weird. The games look very basic on old engines. They aren't graphical beasts having to be ported to the Xbox one. What can we expect to see 2 years from now?

Bare in mind, TitanFall is graphically pretty damn under-par, running on Source engine and is still rumoured to be 720p on the Xbox One. So it's obviously not just Infinity Ward struggling. In-fact, most games on the Xbox One thus far are actually 720p (besides Forza, Fifa and NBA 2K14). My guess is that it has a lot to do with the Esram and memory bandwidth. But we shall see.

 

[daman824]

Is he now? Perhaps people just don't like dishonesty and a lack of character.

I could give names, but that could easily derail the topic. There were a few moments in this thread where people were resorting to ad hominem attacks. And it was pretty uncalled for.

 

[pompidu]

debating on makong a thread on this but dan costa, editor for pcmag.com does a little section on a radio talkshow callws tech tuesday. someone called in asking about the 720p issue with cod. almost lost my mind when he sayed up ressed 1080p is almost the same as 1080p native. then goes on to justify the xbox ones power by laying lame excuses. this shit is getting fucking annoying.

 

[Derrick01]

Yet he doesn't address the rational/warranted hate. Wonder why.

That would require self-reflection and admitting you're probably doing something wrong. It's a lot easier to just call the hottest new AAA game the video game equivalent of the grapes of wrath.

 

[Doc Holliday]

The thing that annoys me is that they somehow fail to mention that a higher/fps is a product of stronger hardware. It's not a result of " resolution chip" or special sauce. The cpu/gpu/ram combo is simply better. How they use that extra power is up to the dev.

If a game runs at 720p on the ps4 it will probably be able to have:

Better aa
More effects
More polys
Better physycs
Higher fps

than the same game running at 720p on the xbox one

 

[Ricky_R]

Or maybe because responding to the legitimate hate right now on twitter would only lead to more illegitimate hate. Fuel for the fire.

That's ironic since that's what happened by addressing the "irrational" hate. He's too arrogant and too wrong this time around and he just doesn't want to admit it.

 

[Marleyman]

Just going to save you the heart ache.

Is that necessary?

Will future games on the Xbox One look considerably better than these launch titles? Absolutely. Will the Xbox One versions of multiplatform games eventually reach parity with the PS4 versions? Nope. The gap will forever remain, the goal posts in terms of graphical fidelity will just move upwards.

All I said was that MS will have to try to improve, however it can. As backlash to what they have done grows, and translates into lost sales, they better do whatever they can.

Bare in mind, TitanFall is graphically pretty damn under-par, running on Source engine and is still rumoured to be 720p on the Xbox One. So it's obviously not just Infinity Ward struggling. In-fact, most major games on the Xbox One thus far are actually 720p. My guess is that it has a lot to do with the Esram and memory bandwidth. But we shall see.

I am sure it has something to do w/ bandwidth and ESRAM, but if Titanfall is as amazing as it looks will people really forgo that experience because of 720p?

 

[daman824]

That's ironic since that's what happened by addressing the "irrational" hate. He's too arrogant and too wrong this time around and he just doesn't want to admit it.

Wrong in what way? That he would rather have a developer use the extra power to better a games design than its resolution?

 

[RedNumberFive]

I could give names, but that could easily derail the topic. There were a few moments in this thread where people were resorting to ad hominem attacks. And it was pretty uncalled for.

Fair enough. I just don't think that most of the criticism levied against Sessler in this thread is unwarranted. He has been coming across as professionally and intellectually dishonest for months now. His Microsoft cheerleading has gone from subtle to embarrassing.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Because he already stated in the video that he would elaborate in a week or so?

This is just gonna end up like the Geoff Keighley Doritos pope saga where he said he would tackle the subject later on but never did isn’t it?

Tell people you will answer their valid criticisms to calm them down then never mention it again.

I think someone should go through this thread and collate all of the valid posts and weed out the rage induced posts and send it to him and ask him to respond, at least that way he cant use the ‘irrational hate’ card to dismiss the many valid points people have made.

On a side note I love the idea someone came up with of a weekly Gaf podcast going over the weeks news/issues, get some good posters on their who are willing to discuss it seriously, bring up well put posts and it could be a real useful tool to show that Gaf isn’t just a ball of hate.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I stop listening to this joker when he said PS4 cost the same as X1 when you add the camera and plus but don't add x box live .
The same can be said for the rest of the gaming press they have become a joke and this year it's only gotten worst .

 

[Dragon1893]

The war? The sting I am referring to is multi plats being inferior all this gen.

You mean like GTAV? Or BF4? Or Portal 2, Castlevania LoS, Vanquish, FFXIII, Prototype 2, etc?

This isn't 2007.

This gen it was a matter of developers getting to grips with the PS3's hardware because sony dropped the ball with the ridiculous arquitecture. Eventually it was possible to achieve parity and lately even better results on PS3.
Like many already said, in this case that's not going to happen because there is an actual (big) difference in what each machine can do.
With the exception of 2 extreme cases (Bayonetta and Skyrim) we'll be seeing a difference that is bigger than what we saw this gen and it will always be for the same side.

That's just how things are and like I already said, if you're invested into Xbox for whatever reasons (and there are many good reasons) you can and should be unsatisfied but you'll ultimately have to deal with it.
At the end of the day, the difference should not be downplayed by the press because it is a fact that has significance, but it also shouldn't stop you from getting the X1 if that's what you want.

It would be far worse if they had gone with 1080p and an unplayable frame-rate. I'm not getting a next gen system within at least another year so I haven't made a decision, but if I was invested in getting a X1 for the exclusives or friends being on live or whatever this wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.

 

[old]

Adam Sessler makes a great point. It is ultimately about the games and how they play. Resolution is just one of many factors.

 

[RaikuHebi]

Adam Sessler makes a great point. It is ultimately about the games and how they play. Resolution is just one of many factors.

With the power advantage games could play better on the PS4.

 

[ekim]

New MisterX spin : Each display plane has 1,3 TFLops...

God... I'm dying right here reading that stuff...

 

[EGM1966]

That's honestly what blows my mind the most. How MS let Sony better them this time around is one for the books. The Xbox One should have blown the PS4 out of the water with tech. Instead they opt for this Frankenstein all-in-one solution that no one wants. Did they miss the memo that no one gives a shit about Kinect anymore? Game sales data wasn't enough?

It's important to understand MS did not get into game consoles simply to sell games consoles and games. The move was a Trojan Horse (and an open one it's not like they didn't discuss this in interviews and there have been plenty of articles on it) to get into the living room with their devices, software, standards, etc.

The XB1 is the reflection of that goal made most clear - and it's pretty obvious they designed it trying to balance supporting games with a lot of media content and other functions plus having mandatory Kinect for gesture/voice based UI navigation and control (and to be honest I think they're more interested in Kinect for interface than games).

Sony took a bloody nose with PS3 shoving media content like BR in it early and pushing up the price and to be honest the PS4 is the reflection of an approach more in line with the 360 - how do we cram in the most gaming power while keeping cost low?

The 360 was a strong console but it was a temporary direction aimed at gaining marketshare vs Sony and winning the gaming crowd over they'd failed to with the Xbox.

Clearly MS felt the 360 had done its work and the next console could be designed around their broader goals vs games as a priority.

I mean the XB1 is still a very decent games console - the problem for MS is just that Sony seem (on specs and initial multi-games) to have developed a better game console.

 

[Dragon]

Adam Sessler makes a great point. It is ultimately about the games and how they play. Resolution is just one of many factors.

When we're talking about multiplatform games, this argument is pretty much a nonfactor.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

This is just gonna end up like the Geoff Keighley Doritos pope saga where he said he would tackle the subject later on but never did isn’t it?

Tell people you will answer their valid criticisms to calm them down then never mention it again.

I think someone should go through this thread and collate all of the valid posts and weed out the rage induced posts and send it to him and ask him to respond, at least that way he cant use the ‘irrational hate’ card to dismiss the many valid points people have made.

On a side note I love the idea someone came up with of a weekly Gaf podcast going over the weeks news/issues, get some good posters on their who are willing to discuss it seriously, bring up well put posts and it could be a real useful tool to show that Gaf isn’t just a ball of hate.

Gaf tried the podcast thing, it didn't work out. Gaf was a part of a gaming news site, people just made "Gaming Age has a main page" jokes (the forums had better news than the main sight). Maybe another shot at the podcast could work now, but who knows.

 

[LowEndTorque]

debating on makong a thread on this but dan costa, editor for pcmag.com does a little section on a radio talkshow callws tech tuesday. someone called in asking about the 720p issue with cod. almost lost my mind when he sayed up ressed 1080p is almost the same as 1080p native. then goes on to justify the xbox ones power by laying lame excuses. this shit is getting fucking annoying.

So it seems that "up-ressed 1080p" is the latest new spin/rhetoric for 720p games? I wonder how long this one will last.

5 billion transistors > infinite powah of the cloud > BALANCE > "thetruthwillcomeoutjustyouwait!" > Xbone games run in

Spoiler

up-ressed

1080p!!

….what's next? lol.

 

[BadWolf]

Again, like CoD, this is just weird. The games look very basic on old engines. They aren't graphical beasts having to be ported to the Xbox one. What can we expect to see 2 years from now?

I'm just curious as to why it can't push resolution higher than its 8 year old predecessor on the same game.