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Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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Orbit isn't a problem if high knockback at high percents send someone away at escape velocity. Not to mention, fast falling could be used to get out of orbit quickly.
Inverted controls: I like Spear Pillar. : P - except here the inverted controls would be predictable and not a random stage hazard.
A second pic:
Man you could fit Peach's rib cage inside Mario's skull. Part of me wishes they'd normalize some of the human characters' proportions but I guess that would be even weirder.
cartoony characters like mario are meant to have really unnatural proportions, humans or not.
i mean it varies depending on artstyle, but this is mario where turtles are evil and mushrooms make you 30ft tall. smash is even more bizarre. lol.
Shadow Hog
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Green Mamba
Member
I think having a certain velocity where you just fly out of orbit would feel too arbitrary--it's not the same as being launched into a definable KO wall--Smash Bros. needs definite boundaries. And depending on how hard you'd have to be hit to escape, there would still be a length time spent orbiting the stage provided hitstun is actually a thing.
Spear Pillar's inverted controls are an intentional stage hazard, designed to screw you up, which I would think a circular planet wouldn't be. The transitions from sideways and upside down are something I don't feel any 2D game has gotten completely right and the ambiguities of odd angles are something I think Smash can do without.
I wouldn't be too bothered by the idea if they made it into a special one off mode, but an entire stage that's always like that sounds seriously unfun and potentially single player ruining if it appears often enough.
Troubled Bat
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Next picture will be Toon Link on the Galaxy stage! 
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
I was thinking that Galaxy feels so recent, but it's been 6 years. Mario 64 was a newer game than Galaxy when Rainbow Cruise was added to Melee 8(
I'm old.
Also this is easily my favorite level shown so far. Beautiful art style, unique level design, and even a nod to the sequel with the faceship in the background. Nicely done.
I'm old.
Also this is easily my favorite level shown so far. Beautiful art style, unique level design, and even a nod to the sequel with the faceship in the background. Nicely done.
Save 'N Quit
Banned
As much as I like the Galaxy stage.
If it moves left to right, I can easily see myself ignoring it the majority of my playing time.
If it moves left to right, I can easily see myself ignoring it the majority of my playing time.
I think we are practically guaranteed a character reveal next week since it will probably be the biggest week of the entire year for Nintendo in terms of new releases. Crossing my fingers for a surprise newcomer though, it would be nice if we got one before the year's end anyway.
Watch Sakurai reveal Wario/Yoshi to commemorate the release of Mario Party. -_-
Troubled Bat
Member
What if we got two characters revealed!! :O
Don't even pretend that the spoilered reveal wouldn't be hilarious.
Troubled Bat
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But your character was announced. C;
Also, now i'm expecting Wario to be revealed for Mario Party.
Honestly, I think a December Nintendo Direct might be our only shot at a newcomer reveal before next year's E3. Nintendo's going to want to bring out the big guns in time for Christmas.
I'm not much of a prediction guy, but Zelda or Sheik late next week and a newcomer in mid-December would be my best guesses for the remainder of 2013. After that, Ice Climbers in January.
I'm not much of a prediction guy, but Zelda or Sheik late next week and a newcomer in mid-December would be my best guesses for the remainder of 2013. After that, Ice Climbers in January.
NeonZ
Member
If 3d World doesn't pull a miracle next month, they'll need big guns much sooner than that. Anyway, the recently improved daily pictures kind of make hopeful for a 1st half of 2014 Smash...
One stage doesn't warrant a new console.
Troubled Bat
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But Sah, don't you want to play online with me? D:
Agh! It still hurts! But I still have faith in Sakurai
Troubled Bat
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You have two options!
Lucina as an alternate costume, or as a pair unit with Chrom.
:3
astrogamer
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It looks like the stage does rotate. Looking at the 1st screenshot, it doesn't seem possible to get the second screenshot without the garden getting in the shot. The rotation does seem pretty slow considering the planetoid which is on the right in the 1st is behind Bowser in the second. Completely crossing the screen would take at least 10 seconds but these trees seem to be visible in the 1st screenshot.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Stuff like the Spaceship Mario from SMG2 and the airships from later levels in the original SMG make me think they're just trying to integrate as many different levels into the one stage as possible, hence calling 'Good Egg' Galaxy' would be misleading.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, it's almost same as my prediction that mentioned few pages ago but I had Ice Climbers in Dec tho.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Assuming hypothetically there IS another Smash trailer with a similar set up to the E3 trailer, who do you think will show up?
Personally, I could see them showing Falcon, Ness, Wario and the Ice Climbers as vets since none of them appear to have any upcoming games in the foreseeable future yet are obvious returning characters. Not expecting any new stages since they've already shown off quite a few on Miiverse which we have yet to see properly in motion. Maybe a few new items and pokeballs/assist trophies since they've been mostly mum about that in comparison to everything else so far.
In terms of newcomers (if there were three like at E3), I could see them all being additional reps for pre-existing franchises, under the idea that new franchises would make a bigger splash at E3 2014. Completely guess work rather than anything rooted in reality:
Ridley, Palutena, Dixie Kong
Alternatively they could show off Snake and give him a special short trailer like Sonic got. Still don't see the point in giving him the ax
Personally, I could see them showing Falcon, Ness, Wario and the Ice Climbers as vets since none of them appear to have any upcoming games in the foreseeable future yet are obvious returning characters. Not expecting any new stages since they've already shown off quite a few on Miiverse which we have yet to see properly in motion. Maybe a few new items and pokeballs/assist trophies since they've been mostly mum about that in comparison to everything else so far.
In terms of newcomers (if there were three like at E3), I could see them all being additional reps for pre-existing franchises, under the idea that new franchises would make a bigger splash at E3 2014. Completely guess work rather than anything rooted in reality:
Ridley, Palutena, Dixie Kong
Alternatively they could show off Snake and give him a special short trailer like Sonic got. Still don't see the point in giving him the ax
shut up in advance I'M FINISHED! unless you want me to change back to my sexy snake avatar
Choppasmith
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The Mario Galaxy stage looks great! Speaking of stages I wonder if we'll be getting returning stages again. There are some I never want to lose.
Like I've said in the past, I'm hoping Sakurai pulls a Mario Kart and actually remakes the classic stages (I mean from scratch with new models and textures and not just a quick copy and paste)
Speaking of the Galaxy stage, I'll be amazed if Brawl hackers figure out a way to recreate the stage, but I imagine the curvature is really going to throw them for a loop.
foxuzamaki
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Even if they dont reveal a newcomer by december, I think thats a bit of a stretch to think they will reveal somebody new by E3, E3 is not in a few months, its almost a year from now relatively.
The only way I could stomach waiting until E3 for a newcomer is if they decide to just do a full stop Brawl-reveal style trailer where several are revealed at once. I don't think it is too much to ask for a decent number of additions to the cast given that it has been 5 (and will be 6) years since Brawl when the game is finally released, which is almost as large as the gap between Melee and Brawl.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
SSB64 debuted with 12 characters, Melee added 14 (including Sheik) on top of that, Brawl added 18 (after cutting five of Melee's and including transformations).
I think a minimum of ten newcomers is a safe enough bet for what SSB4 will introduce; there weren't really any big gameplay shake-ups people kept suggesting would limit the game's roster before the E3 reveal, at least not what I've seen so far anyways.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm going to take a risk and accept the avatar bet for two weeks with you for those character rumors. I have a feeling that it might be real but at same time I doubt it. I would like to take the risky bet anyway.
I would like to add that our avatar bet should be clean avatar bet as well.
SSB4 - about 14 characters
But Kart is first half, we should just be glad Iwata won't let this be delayed until 2015. They need this out fucking ASAP.
I don't know, Sakurai's quotes more than anything have made me pessimistic such as ones about "reducing" characters due to 3DS limitations, combined with telling fans not to expect as many new characters and just in general hardware talk about the 3DS. It almost makes me wish that he would have just said that they will try and get as many Wii U characters into the 3DS version as they possibly can and left it at that. The fact that he said that both versions will have the exact same characters worries me in terms of unique design and total number; which awkwardly kind of explains why I find stages to be one of the most exciting things about the new game given that each game will have their own unique set and one version doesn't put too much influence on the other.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's wayy too risky to trust sakurai after peach's, sonic's and marth's random reveal for an avatar bet.
No, Ryce would avatar bet that rumor is fake. He believed that the rumor with Little Mac, Mii and Pac-Man is fake, but for some reason and my gut is telling me to disagree with Ryce for some reason that I don't understand. I would accept his avatar bet, at long we keep the avatar clean as possible.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Sakurai never told people not to expect as many newcomers (the closest he said was saying 'simply adding a ton of new characters isn't enough, we need to do something completely different' or something to that effect, and people stopped parroting that as a reason for a smaller roster once it became obvious SSB4 is a fairly traditional sequel with no major gameplay additions beyond being on two different systems) and his talk about 3DS limitations was in direct relation to transformation characters and characters with 'multiple-per-one' gimmicks like Ice Climbers and Olimar, the latter of which from what we've seen has probably had his pikmin count reduced from 6 to 3.
3DS carts come as large as 8 gigs. Brawl was 7 gigs, and had a ton of really huge pre-rendered cutscenes and SSE which made up half of that size, most of which has already been confirmed to be cut from SSB4. I really don't like the narrative that SSB4's having a super restricted roster that's come up from a few vague translated quotes.
So rather than have a game that feels complete you rather have one that feels unfinished ok.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Only way I'd be cool with a Q1 2014 release is if there was a ton of DLC, and even then additional costs on top of the game is always more than just a bit shit. Not to mention bad-word-of-mouth if the game gets rushed and released in a partially incomplete state, which Nintendo tends to avoid for better or worse.
Regardless of how badly the Wii U continues performs, I think they'll still rely on DKCTF and Mario Kart 8 for the first half of 2014, Bayonetta 2 sometime around the middle (that seems way more along than anybody's giving credit for) and X/SSB4 for the latter half of 2014.
Regardless of how badly the Wii U continues performs, I think they'll still rely on DKCTF and Mario Kart 8 for the first half of 2014, Bayonetta 2 sometime around the middle (that seems way more along than anybody's giving credit for) and X/SSB4 for the latter half of 2014.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Eh, I prefer to have completed version on my hand.
Shadow Hog
Member
Come to think of it, how's that character roster contest going? I forget who was tallying that - I think it was Heath, but not sure.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, it was me but I kept waiting for right time to tally the contest. I guess I will do it after Dec Direct.
Troubled Bat
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It's wayy too risky to trust sakurai after peach's, sonic's and marth's random reveal for an avatar bet.
Scared? Hehe.
blitzwolf215
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If we get Xenoblade in smash I hope we get this music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p45gdP2OKmU
Zelda and Sheik, none of this bs'ing around the issue again like in brawl.
We're talking Xenoblade music again, eh? Then I might as well post my favorite piece from the game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2OGYMSfDfM
If there is a Xenoblade stage and that song isn't in, I will cry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2OGYMSfDfM
If there is a Xenoblade stage and that song isn't in, I will cry.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Yo I just played 3 hours of xenoblade like 15+ mins ago, its still my game of the generation even tho im playing from the beginning again until I transfer the data