Duckroll's correct with the 3DS/Wii U overlap. At this point I'm wondering if Smash 3DS was a good decision. It will only contribute further to the overlap, and I imagine Smash could be a considerable system seller... if it wasn't for the fact that you'll be able to get the game on 3DS as well.
Media Create Sales: Week 47, 2013 (Nov 18 - Nov 24)
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Exterminieren
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Ugh.
Stick a fork in it.
Stick a fork in it.
SmokedMeat
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Hopefully not, unless Nintendo wants to bury their console business deeper than if already is.
Captain Smoker
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At 0,89 $
-30%
10.000.000 * 0,62 $ = 6.200.000 $
And now you can't sell your other games for more than 5 $, because people are used to it.
michaelius
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It's my way of coping with it
seriously though, how long will people continue saying that the thing isn't dead? Practically every game they will release on it won't sell shit. The only benefit Nintendo might see from these Wii U games is that their developers get more experience with HD-level hardware, nothing else.
They should be learning x86 architecture as it will be usefull when they are releasing 3rd party games for Playstation 5 and next xbox
I honestly have no clue. It's a fantastic console and as someone who buys and enjoys the hell out of every console, it is by far my favourite.
But it's not because of generic inaccurate statements such as the ones you provided.
NintendoLand has probably already made that much anyway.
A new console launch in early 2015? With what games, may I ask? considering they are on ~3 year cycles, and that most of their teams will have put out a game in either 2013/2014. The logistics don't add up. Late 2016, earliest.
Metallix87
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I think that's a factor, though obviously not the only one.
DragonSworne
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A competitively priced new portable system which also plays all WiiU titles (digital), and has TV-out and controller support.
So i'm reading this thread and everyone is acting like these numbers are for all the markets. Japan looks dead for anything not handheld really so maybe Nintendo will focus more on the west. If mario does numbers like this in the NA and EU market though then ya everyone can continue with the dead talk.
But all this will be meaningless when PS4 doesn't take off in Japan too. We have to wait and see if it's a Wii U problem (In the West it is) or a Japanese problem. The market has changed IMO. If it's confirmed by PS4 failure, then nothing Nintendo could have done would have saved them, except catching lighting in a bottle twice.
And what would make this alleged console sell? Specs? Nope. Nintendo games? Clearly not working.
If Nintendo make a PS4 comparable console, and sell it for less (and they'd have to), they'd destroy their financials and kill the company
Spieler Eins
Member
A 4 year generation seems reasonable enough to not piss people off, so I wouldn't be surprised by an announcement in 2015. Unless they are crazy enough to keep clinging onto this failure even longer.
I suggest some of their teams shouldn't even be wasted making more WiiU projects and start researching new hardware already.
cyberheater
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I think that has been a factor. WiiU is seen as the Mario console. If you don't want that experience then there is little else to persuade you to purchase one.
StreetsAhead
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3D World was made in 2 years by ~60 people; it's not the most high budget game in the world, to be honest. Zelda and Metroid would probably cost more, to be fair, but still.
I have 15 Wii U games. Two of them are Mario...
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Call me pessimist, but I think Wii U is done.
If 3D World couldn't even move it a little, how much more can Mario Kart, Smash, Zelda and X do? My guess? Not a whole lot.
Wii U is poised to be the largest console failure of Nintendo of all time as we speak.
If 3D World couldn't even move it a little, how much more can Mario Kart, Smash, Zelda and X do? My guess? Not a whole lot.
Wii U is poised to be the largest console failure of Nintendo of all time as we speak.
Metallix87
Member
Forget about new ideas. Just think about all the manpower that could've been used developing new IPs or reinaging older ones.
People need a lengthy break from Mario so they can want Mario games again. Nintendo has other platformer IPs, like DK, Kirby, and Yoshi, which they can leverage. For example, I think the cat suit climbing ability could've worked well in a new DK 3D platformer.
I guess Vita TV might never have been a thing in Japan. I mean with everything being so portable anyway a lot of Japanese youth would probably rather just play their Vita at home.
And with the launch being incomplete in typical Sony fashion, Bleh. It launched with a DS3 controller in Japan didn't it, and a very incomplete software list? Sony wants to sell that, one it should be bundled with the DS4, two they should put out a bundle with their biggest current software releases.
Who knows sales might pick up slightly, but they will rise and fall relative to the platform as a whole, not quite the heavy lifter Sony was hoping for, at least in Japan.
I can see it doing better in other places like Europe and NA.
And with the launch being incomplete in typical Sony fashion, Bleh. It launched with a DS3 controller in Japan didn't it, and a very incomplete software list? Sony wants to sell that, one it should be bundled with the DS4, two they should put out a bundle with their biggest current software releases.
Who knows sales might pick up slightly, but they will rise and fall relative to the platform as a whole, not quite the heavy lifter Sony was hoping for, at least in Japan.
I can see it doing better in other places like Europe and NA.
For the West, spec and third party support are far more important than first party exclusives it seems.
As for Japan just because it isn't a handheld it is suffering more than it should.
DragonSworne
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You are overestimating the cost of the PS4 and greating underestimating the cost of the Wii U.
Wii U has the worst cost-to-performance ratio seen in a long time. It's truely a marvel how badly designed and engineered the Wii U is at a cost-to-performance perspective.
Metallix87
Member
That's not pessimism, that's realism. I still think the system can be saved in North America, but even that is a stretch. Nintendo fucked this whole thing up royally.
Trevelyan9999
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Done in Japan? If it was selling 500 a week like the og Wii right now I would agree with you. Nintendo just needs to continue to bring out great games consistently like they just promised for the entire 2014 calendar year and the sales for Wii U will be more consistent.
It's maybe not ŧhat fundamentally flawed, but it is pretty obviously flawed.
The Wii U as a platform does not compete favourably even with the ancient PS3 in any area. Its only unique trait is a screen on the controller, and that's not an attractive feature at all.
The real issue is that if you're really into Nintendo games, the 3DS is already way ahead of the Wii U also, way cheaper, and much more practical. Nintendo has "taught" its fanbase in the past 7 years that graphics don't matter. Why would they all reconsider now, and prefer the Wii U?
Metallix87
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In this case, it's not much to brag about.
Immaculate
Banned
ouch at everything really
Prophane33
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With all the big titles coming out early next year on PS3, I can't see the PS4 doing that great either. The launch selection is pretty mediocre outside of Shin Sangoku Musou 7 w/ Musouden (Dynasty Warriors 8 w/ Xtreme Legends) which is already coming out this year on PS3 and Vita, though honestly I'm waiting to play it on PS4. Dream Club (which never sells gangbusters), and Yakuza Ishin (also on Vita (and PS3?)), then a bunch of western games that won't do amazing numbers. The biggest titles are still on PS3 (at least for the first half of the year). Unless the Japanese devs are keeping a lot of stuff under wraps till E3 I can't see PS4 doing amazing next year.
I'm very interested in seeing how well Sengoku Basara 4 (Jan) does vs. Sengoku Musou 4 (Mar). Granted, I'm buying them both. I wouldn't be surprised if the latter gets ported to PS4 at some point.
I'm very interested in seeing how well Sengoku Basara 4 (Jan) does vs. Sengoku Musou 4 (Mar). Granted, I'm buying them both. I wouldn't be surprised if the latter gets ported to PS4 at some point.
DragonSworne
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Nintendo has been promising a constistent release schedule since 1996.
cyberheater
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I know you are having a hard time understanding this but It's not about how you personally feel about the system. It's the way the system is seen by the general public. They see it as a Mario gaming machine populated with 3DS and Wii remakes.
They, on mass, are simply not interested in that offering. Try to understand.
Okay, deep inside I always knew it, but man - the Wii U is a dead console.
"Dead" in the sense that it doesn't sell well at all and that it super low install base will be the reason why it won't last very long. I look forward to 3D Mario, X and all those other games, but yeah - that thing is dead, and hopefully this will finally make them drop the Wii brand and start with something really new. It breaks my heart seeing a fantastic game of one of my favorite brands to bomb so incredibly hard, like.. I don't know what to say :lol
And I don't want to hear shit from Nintendo apologists - the company itself is fine, yes, but don't act like there isn't a major problem in their homeconsole business. As biggest Nintendawg in the universe, this annoys me much more than people laughing at the Wii U.
That being said, the Vita drop is barbaric and probably proves that the VitaTV is a device for the west
The only good thing is that despite being placed at #1, LR bombed hard :lol
"Dead" in the sense that it doesn't sell well at all and that it super low install base will be the reason why it won't last very long. I look forward to 3D Mario, X and all those other games, but yeah - that thing is dead, and hopefully this will finally make them drop the Wii brand and start with something really new. It breaks my heart seeing a fantastic game of one of my favorite brands to bomb so incredibly hard, like.. I don't know what to say :lol
And I don't want to hear shit from Nintendo apologists - the company itself is fine, yes, but don't act like there isn't a major problem in their homeconsole business. As biggest Nintendawg in the universe, this annoys me much more than people laughing at the Wii U.
That being said, the Vita drop is barbaric and probably proves that the VitaTV is a device for the west
The only good thing is that despite being placed at #1, LR bombed hard :lol
Trevelyan9999
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Nintendo is going to have to invest in Wii U advertising and more exclusive games. It would be more disastrous to abandon the console only after 1 year on the shelves. Nintendo has 11 billion in cash on hand, they are going to have to spend some in order not to lose tons if they give up so quickly. For gamers/fans of Nintendo, it's easy for any of us to say "it's done" or they should just "move on" from Wii U but the business side of it is not going to let them do that anytime soon. 2016 would probably when they announce the next Nintendo console for release in 2017. They will call it Super Nintendo 2 (one can dream I guess?).
It seems WiiU and Vita want to leave this worldtogether holding hands.
Yes, please.
Yes, please.
Devilgunman
Member
Japan really don't and won't give a fuck about console gaming until PS4 arrive. Their love to portable (or should I say 3ds?) and mobile phone is impossible to penetrate now.
To be fair they've been advertising a hell out for WiiU recently in Japan, and you just saw the result.
Dr. Feel Good
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I knew Vita TV would flop. The orgasmic response from the reveal thread was typical overreaction by GAF. The thing will likely not make it to many other territories and will flounder.
And Mario flopped yup, but I think it will have a saving grace over the holidays similar to Galaxy 1. Not to the same extent, but considering the user bases and system sales that's a given. People always under estimate Mario through the holidays.
And Mario flopped yup, but I think it will have a saving grace over the holidays similar to Galaxy 1. Not to the same extent, but considering the user bases and system sales that's a given. People always under estimate Mario through the holidays.
Prophane33
Member
FF 13: Total: 1,905,979 First Week: 1,516,532　 　 　
FF 13-2 Total: 881,486 First Week: 605,660
They are the #1 and #2 best-selling titles on PS3 (Japan) respectively. I don't think LR is going to join them. Still, pretty positive it will break the top 20.
FF 13-2 Total: 881,486 First Week: 605,660
They are the #1 and #2 best-selling titles on PS3 (Japan) respectively. I don't think LR is going to join them. Still, pretty positive it will break the top 20.
I wonder if it'll be a much better idea for NCL to swap the console side of their business for a Steam like infracstrature and then create a handheld top notch enough to play all from the NES to the WiiU...
duckroll beat me to it.
WiiU will have some great games over the next few years, but these sales will not be turning around to anything better than mediocre. GC levels would be a success right now, and even that will not be enough for shareholders coming off Wii's monumental high.
I'll wait till Christmas sales are in before going overboard, but if Nintendo are smart they are already laying the groundwork for a late 2016 release console. It actually puts them in a rather tasty position for their next box, as in the next few years we'll see some fairly big advancements in low wattage/high power parts and they should be able to comfortably trump ps4 without breaking the bank. Noone will be ready to pay $400 for a new console in just 3 years of course, but they may well be ready to pay $300 for a powerful, well supported Nintendo console.
Imagine that: Nintendo having the most powerful console on the market for a clear 7 years (assuming ps4 is a 10 year cycle).
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I'll wait till Christmas sales are in before going overboard, but if Nintendo are smart they are already laying the groundwork for a late 2016 release console. It actually puts them in a rather tasty position for their next box, as in the next few years we'll see some fairly big advancements in low wattage/high power parts and they should be able to comfortably trump ps4 without breaking the bank. Noone will be ready to pay $400 for a new console in just 3 years of course, but they may well be ready to pay $300 for a powerful, well supported Nintendo console.
Imagine that: Nintendo having the most powerful console on the market for a clear 7 years (assuming ps4 is a 10 year cycle).
/pipedream
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BronsonLee
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Oh god, everybody died