metalslimer
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Why shouldn't it? It will probably sell less in Japan though. Actually the only reason it might not is if the cycle lasts a shorter period.
PS4 will beat PS3 lifetime sales, says Sony boss
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SwiftDeath
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revolverjgw
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Patience grasshopper. Their biggest studios have multiple games in the works. And dark horses like Sanzaru and Bend waiting in the wings. Good times ahead
malboroking
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Ok, Bettenhausen =P
of course not but sales will obviously drop.. wait till you see xbox 360 and Ps3 says numbers in a few months.
Also I highly doubt the ps4 will ever be 150 new.. lol. What they gona sell at a loss after moving to ps5?
Callibretto
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er.. you mean from waifu simulation? I'm not sure I want console revolution in japan because of that....
that said, a Gundam VR simulator that simulate me inside Gundam cockpit would be so cool.
LegendofLex
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Well, actually... this is an interesting issue.
How much software was sold for PS2/Xbox/GameCube?
How much software has been sold for PS3/Xbox 360/Wii?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if PS3 + Xbox 360 software sales are actually less than PS2 + Xbox, in which case the "growth" is actually 100% owed to Wii.
Codeblew
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What you say in his position when being asked? "Oh, I don't really care how much the PS4 sells as long as Sony doesn't sell off the Entertainment Division"?
of course not but sales will obviously drop.. wait till you see xbox 360 and Ps3 says numbers in a few months.
Also I highly doubt the ps4 will ever be 150 new.. lol. What they gona sell at a loss after moving to ps5?
PS4 has a better chance at reaching 150 than PS3. Both will eventually though.
nhlducks35
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of course not but sales will obviously drop.. wait till you see xbox 360 and Ps3 says numbers in a few months.
Also I highly doubt the ps4 will ever be 150 new.. lol. What they gona sell at a loss after moving to ps5?
Yeah, it's not like costs go down or anything...
Randolph Freelander
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I think it should safely do that, no matter how much higher PS3 goes.
It's going to gain a lot of market share back from Microsoft, and also from Nintendo (from whatever portion of the Wii audience that managed to stick around for console gaming).
It's going to gain a lot of market share back from Microsoft, and also from Nintendo (from whatever portion of the Wii audience that managed to stick around for console gaming).
NemesisPrime
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It won't.
Suikoguy
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The biggest hurdle to ultra low prices is the same issue that ps3 encountered this gen.
A Mandatory HDD. It puts a floor on the price of the console, likely 199.99.
On the other hand, using more off the shelf parts should enable a lower floor then the ps3 has.
The wildcard is solid state tech which will likely continue to improve and lower in price.
I would expect ANYONE for any of these companies to say the same thing this early on. Optimism and confidence in your product isn't a bad thing. The only person I don't expect to make a similar statement at this point is Reggie and it's not out of some Nintendo doom and gloom but just common sense.
UnforgivenTwin
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Anything is possible I guess.But it is really early on so I wouldn't say these types of things just yet.
Why is everyone saying that it's too soon to tell? What is there to stop it from happening? The launch is perfect and the future looks even better. Considering how big gaming is now, I don't see why this won't happen. Even if this generation is like 5 years, it still should pass the sales.
EDIT: Totally didn't think about the fact that the PS3 will still be selling, just like PS2 did.
EDIT: Totally didn't think about the fact that the PS3 will still be selling, just like PS2 did.
Yeah, but for quite sometime the PS2 was outselling the PS3. It's not a situation I believe Sony wants the PS5 to endure (I'm sure they dont want the PS3 to out sell the PS4 in the upcoming months either) especially since the appeal of getting a PS2 was the the huge library and limited backward compatibility of the PS3 with the PS2 library and a very underwhelming PS3 launch.
Funny how he does not acknowledge the #NoDRM4PS4 and pretty much takes the stand that MS screwed up and they took advantage. Looks like some people gave themselves more credit that Sony wants to give... "Sure GAF, we're listening to you *winkwink*"
RedRedSuit
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Heh. I recall a nearly identical quote from the early days of PS3... about how it would outsell PS2.
IncandescentPrecept
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Do you really?
ionicbluebird
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The thread title is inaccurate.. I too thought "Is this the return of arrogant Sony?" Until it was pointed out to me what House actually said.
RedRedSuit
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Definitely.
Here's one from a Google search.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/hirai-ps3-can-beat-ps2/07036
But unless my memory fails me some other exec(s) have said similar stuff even earlier than that.
P.S. Anyway, presumably it has a shot. Nearly everything about PS4's position is better than PS3's. Even the economy is not quite as shit as it became right in the thick of PS3's lifetime.
EtherMagic
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PS4 doesn't have anything special about it as the Wii had...
Wii had motion controlled remote, huge at the time for technology as far as general public (2006), which made everyone want one, including me and many of my family members.
The only thing PS4 has going for it is Price compared to X1.
X1 has Kinect going for it (as being advertised as a purpose to own it), no need to switch between devices any-longer, plus (in the public's eye) does everything PS4 does.
Once better drivers come out for both (especially X1, as reported MS were far behind PS4's with lauch games as drivers are concerned), there won't be a huge difference other then maybe 1080p-900p, and some particle effects.
The public don't care about this crap that us more intuitive hardcore gamer's care about, the very tiny things that separate these systems, other then PRICE!!!
Sony has a HUGE advantage here! Not only does GDDR5 have an advantage in a technical aspect (which the public do not care about), it has the advantage over DDR3 in the price adjustment privilege category!
DDR3 is not going to go down in price much for MS, it already wore out it's welcome in the industry, it's pretty much set in stone what MS will keep paying for it. While on the other hand, GDDR5 is going to do nothing BUT go down in price, meaning Sony has so much more of an easier road to drop the price of there system then MS does with the X1. MS screwed themselves long ago by not taking the gamble with GDDR5, they knew at the time they needed 8gb of memory, and really felt at that time they had no choice but to go with DDR3, as they knew they needed the memory for the MultiMedia Machine they were creating, and GDDR5 seemed like a dream at the time to get in quantities of 8gb. Point being, Sony took a gamble, and WON!
Price is KEY in this war, and this WILL be key to who wins this battle of the consoles in the end. The only thing MS can hope for, is that the Public buys into there evolutionary concept of voice command and controlling your living room with just that, your voice.
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I have said since Day 1 that Microsoft "could" have a true living room media competitor on their hands. But like I've said since day 1, that paywall for all media is fucking bullshit.
The average consumer is not going to buy an expensive game machine over a Smart TV or Apple TV or whatever that is capable of doing media functions without a paywall.
Locking Internet Explorer behind a paywall
Locking Netflix behind a paywall
Locking Amazon Prime behind a paywall
Locking Youtube behind a paywall
Locking basically every shred of console functionality behind a subscription paywall
None of that is a path to success in taking over the living room as America's media center controller except for Xbox gamers.
Only about 25 million Xbox 360 owners can access Internet Explorer, Netflix, and Youtube on their 360 (approximate number of Gold subscribers). That's 1/3 of the number of people who can use those services on the PS3. It's not like Microsoft is coming from a place of multimedia dominance on the Xbox platform. Paywall is the reason.
Chuck Norris
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You would imagine so, PS3 had consistency over a long time but never really had industry leading, record breaking sales. Still early but PS4 would need a bit drop off or a significantly shorter life cycle
maquiladora
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No doubt.
That's why I hold onto the belief that Sony is going to kill the PS3 ASAP. They've already dropped all first party support from it, as they should so they can route resources to the PS4, and I don't know how much money they can squeeze out of each unit. The PS3 can break 100 Million. I don't know about much more. The PS3 needed all of that appeal because of how damn expensive it was. And backwards compatibility is one of those things that people will get over once more games hit. It's a pretty niche feature, even if it's one I prefer was a standard.
Well, if Sony is to be believed, the #NoDRMPS4 movement didn't change what was already going to happen. It feels good for us to use it as a stake. But, it'll be hard to gauge what effects it truly had.
This is the first time I've heard that they've dropped ALL first party support for the PS3. Are the 10 or so games that they still plan to publish on PS3 over the next year not happening now? GT isn't even out yet and people are claiming abandonment.
Bah. You know what I mean. There are none ( to extremely few ) project from WWS going on the PS3. Smaller PSN titles, yes. GT6, good last game. There's no inFamous, there's no RIME, there's no huge budget flagship titles launching exclusively for the PS3. It's going to be just like the 360 in the last 3 years and it's going to keep selling off of it's existing library and multiplatforms but Sony is under little obligation and little benefit to keep trying to make the PS3 a success, it already is one after all.
Hell !! Most of the indie titles that were announced at Gamescon and E3 aren't even PS3 titles. The PS3 hasn't been "abandoned" or "neglected" per se, but it's no longer a priority. That is a fact. Even Shu has said it.
All the signs point to the PS4 outselling the PS3, the price advantage the, worldwide perspective sony has on the industry, and the simple architecture. I think its reasonable to assume the PS4 will hit 100million. I think the most exciting thing here is the opening up of new markets in 3rd and 2nd world countries. China entering the fold can change things a lot, and with the rise of these economies in the last 5 years or so, I expect them to be buying many more consoles this gen then last.
EtherMagic
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I understand your point, but it is totally mute in many respects.
You cannot compare Xbox 360 to PS3 as far as the amount of people who accessed their full online privileges. The PS3 was FREE to connect to the internet (PSN). Lets wait 5 years from now for the results of purchased PSN accounts compared to X1 (compared to number of units sold) before claiming what you do, as we all know PS3 and Xbox 360 both sold upwards of 80 million consoles at the moment, they are neck and neck world wide as far as sales.
On the other hand, I personally feel the X1 has a major thing going for it, and this "MAJOR THING IS" not having to switch between devices with multiple remotes and simply doing so with your voice.
I do own an X1 and as I said many times already, I feel spoiled by it, to simply go back to my regular life of constantly having to look for the correct remote to operate the device I am looking to use. It was a hassle, and now... I am literally in HEAVEN with not having to grab a different remote every time i want to do something!
On the games front... I am LOVING KI more then any game I have ever received at launch before, and I will go so far as to say I am enjoying KI more then any game since Mario Sunshine on GameCube back in 2002!!
KI is just that enjoyable to me. My 17 yr old daughter also has an X1 (yes, free choice, thats what she asked for from me), and is loving DR3 like crazy, thats all she keeps talking about. Ryse has been a big HIT in the family. My brother bought 2 PS4's, and 1 X1'. Reason being his wife is a HUGE PS-Fan-Girl, and they play games together, so that explains it. My brother called me the other day telling me how much his Wife was loving Ryse! She explained it as an easier version of God Of War, and she was hooked on it!
As far as "Me" with the PS4... I played it at GameStop for a good 10-15 minutes, I enjoyed it, I do plan on getting one, I CANNOT WAIT for "The Order: 1886", and thats when I will be getting one.
What I hated about the PS4 was the controller. It's the same controller with different paint. 1995 all over again for me Sony, come on, get with IT! Don't get me wrong, it's NOT a bad controller, but it still SUCKS!
On September 9th, 1995, I was the very first person in line at Babbages to pick up the very FIRST PS1 (atleast in my Mall))!!! I had Toshinden in hand, and the big one... MK3 was the main reason I bought the PS! At one point, I was the BIGGEST PS fanboy, me and my older brother use to argue over Sony and Sega DAILY!!! Even though I did like Sega, Sony having that Exclusive to MK3 and WipeOut, and many other first party games, was my point in clear to kick butt with!
All in all, I have no doubt both systems will continue to sell very well, the price of each will be a a huge plus with some consumers, but if MS can get in the minds of the consumers with what the Kinect can do for them, I feel a Wii type general audience wanting this type of knew tech can change this console war tremendously not caring about the extra $100 or so MS is expecting.
BTW, the new Samsung Smart TV's that you mention, that do what the X1 can do right now, are around $3,500 up to $40,000. Not sure why you would even bring that up "BigDug"?
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Probably, the PS3 launched at a FAR too expensive price tag, and despite some aggressive pricing in the first half of it's lifespan, never really quite got down to an impulse buy price.
The PS4's starting price tag, is fairly reasonable to start out. Additionally, being that it's using mostly conventional X86 components, they should be able to reduce manufacturing costs as a decent rate. As such, the PS4 should be down to an impulse buy price-tag, before it's reached the halfway point of it's lifespan.
For context. I consider impulse buy territory to be, 250USD or less, for a complete system. The PS3 will occasionally hit that price range during sales, but usually you have to satisfy yourself with highly cut-down SKU's if you want it at that price.
The PS4's starting price tag, is fairly reasonable to start out. Additionally, being that it's using mostly conventional X86 components, they should be able to reduce manufacturing costs as a decent rate. As such, the PS4 should be down to an impulse buy price-tag, before it's reached the halfway point of it's lifespan.
For context. I consider impulse buy territory to be, 250USD or less, for a complete system. The PS3 will occasionally hit that price range during sales, but usually you have to satisfy yourself with highly cut-down SKU's if you want it at that price.
Not sure what a mute point is.
The fact is that on Sony's machine, you do not need any sort of paid account to access all media features and with Microsoft's machine, you do.
Yes, you enjoy all the voice features and everything, but if Microsoft is truly trying to snag all the casual media people to buy a $500 machine, attaching a mandatory yearly $60 charge on top doesn't help. You don't think 55 million people who right now own 360's that can't access media functions is a big deal? My 360 that is now no longer able to be my bedroom Netflix streamer because I let my Gold elapse is not a big deal? People will be ok with having to pay $60 per year to access even simple things like Internet Explorer on a box that Microsoft promised them would be their "all in one" system?
PS3 is the number 1 netflix streaming device in the world. Number 1. You don't get to be the go-to media player of the world by charging for yearly access.
Microsoft is making a HUGE mistake by locking media functions to Gold only.
Go on.
Sure you can. There are people who bought a 360. And there are 25 million people that use XBLG. Don't try to move the discussion to 5 years from now. There are more people who are capable of using the PS3's online features than the 360's. Hence, stuff like this. And thanks to Sony Execs language, there's every reason to believe that this is still true today. The PS3 is the more prevalent media box.
It is not. It's the most divergent Dualshock of them all. And that's still your opinion. But saying it's the same is misleading. And the complete opposite of the general consensus.
Smart TV's go as low as $350. And the voice functionality is available elsewhere through Comcast and their X1. Microsoft is not in the position to take over the American peoples ( or anyone elses ) living room. Why would you buy a Netflix/Gaming Box when there's a cheaper one. Or why not get the X1 through your cable provider if you want voice controls? If it didn't catch fire now, it's not gonna catch fire any time soon.
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