PS4 will beat PS3 lifetime sales, says Sony boss

I can believe it.

The reaction to the PS3 and PS4 have been two different things, if Sony can keep the good will of the people, get out some major hits, keep their PR rolling smooth it's their gen to win.

The PS3 never had this strong a get go or opportunity.
 
EtherMagic said:
I understand your point, but it is totally mute in many respects.

You cannot compare Xbox 360 to PS3 as far as the amount of people who accessed their full online privileges. The PS3 was FREE to connect to the internet (PSN). Lets wait 5 years from now for the results of purchased PSN accounts compared to X1 (compared to number of units sold) before claiming what you do, as we all know PS3 and Xbox 360 both sold upwards of 80 million consoles at the moment, they are neck and neck world wide as far as sales.

On the other hand, I personally feel the X1 has a major thing going for it, and this "MAJOR THING IS" not having to switch between devices with multiple remotes and simply doing so with your voice.

I do own an X1 and as I said many times already, I feel spoiled by it, to simply go back to my regular life of constantly having to look for the correct remote to operate the device I am looking to use. It was a hassle, and now... I am literally in HEAVEN with not having to grab a different remote every time i want to do something!

On the games front... I am LOVING KI more then any game I have ever received at launch before, and I will go so far as to say I am enjoying KI more then any game since Mario Sunshine on GameCube back in 2002!!

KI is just that enjoyable to me. My 17 yr old daughter also has an X1 (yes, free choice, thats what she asked for from me), and is loving DR3 like crazy, thats all she keeps talking about. Ryse has been a big HIT in the family. My brother bought 2 PS4's, and 1 X1'. Reason being his wife is a HUGE PS-Fan-Girl, and they play games together, so that explains it. My brother called me the other day telling me how much his Wife was loving Ryse! She explained it as an easier version of God Of War, and she was hooked on it!

As far as "Me" with the PS4... I played it at GameStop for a good 10-15 minutes, I enjoyed it, I do plan on getting one, I CANNOT WAIT for "The Order: 1886", and thats when I will be getting one.

What I hated about the PS4 was the controller. It's the same controller with different paint. 1995 all over again for me Sony, come on, get with IT! Don't get me wrong, it's NOT a bad controller, but it still SUCKS!

On September 9th, 1995, I was the very first person in line at Babbages to pick up the very FIRST PS1 (atleast in my Mall))!!! I had Toshinden in hand, and the big one... MK3 was the main reason I bought the PS! At one point, I was the BIGGEST PS fanboy, me and my older brother use to argue over Sony and Sega DAILY!!! Even though I did like Sega, Sony having that Exclusive to MK3 and WipeOut, and many other first party games, was my point in clear to kick butt with!

All in all, I have no doubt both systems will continue to sell very well, the price of each will be a a huge plus with some consumers, but if MS can get in the minds of the consumers with what the Kinect can do for them, I feel a Wii type general audience wanting this type of knew tech can change this console war tremendously not caring about the extra $100 or so MS is expecting.

BTW, the new Samsung Smart TV's that you mention, that do what the X1 can do right now, are around $3,500 up to $40,000. Not sure why you would even bring that up "BigDug"?


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None of this changes the fact that to get the same use out of an Xbox one as you could expect from media box competitors you're gonna have to pay a subscription every month, as well as the high premium price. In the context of media boxes I don't think that the Xbox one is a viable option for this market.

Why would you pay $499 and $5 per month to receive the same content as you could get from a $92 Apple TV?

Also, I don't think the kinect will ever reach the mass appeal of the wii as it is too expensive, not as easy to control, and it is not (IMO) the groundbreaking leap in technology that the wii was.

Like I stated above, in the market of media boxes the Xbox one Is seriously overpriced. It Is the most expensive console on the market whilst, In comparison, the wii launched at a bargain price in 2006. This is gonna limit the uptake of consoles.

In terms of ease of usability, I personally haven't used the Xbox one kinect but the 360 version found it very difficult to understand my (scouse) accent. I've read reports that the Xbox one kinect is similar, and if is significant sections of the market are gonna suffer a less then stellar experience using the kinect the positive word of mouth (that propelled the wii's success) will be limited for the Xbox one.

I also doubt the Kinect's potential as a game changer. When the wii launched it fundamentally changed the way we play games. It introduced new ways to play games and this led to entirely new sections of society purchasing the console. The kinect on the 360 was ultimately underwhelming and I'm not sure if the Xbox one version will be able to change this. At the moment, the Xbox one does not change the way we play or experience games. I'm not sure If being able to change the tv channel with your voice is comparable to the wii's motion control frenzy that led to that console being sold out for years.

As a games console I'm sure the Xbox one will find success and have good sales over the next few years, but I doubt that it will become the breakout success that you think it will be.
 
It's definitely on track to achieve this, but a console generation is long and talking about the LTD when it goes out of production weeks after launch is a little silly.
 
I'd like to see some actual evidence from all the posters citing market contraction. The market for gaming has grown larger, not smaller...
 
House (I think) has already said that Sony's strategy for the cross-gen period is to target PS4 at established/wealthy markets and to use continued price drops to sell the 3 into developing markets (which is basically the way the 2 sold as well). How long the 3's tail is will, I think, be determined by how well the 4 sells in those markets. Those same markets will also determine the sales numbers on the 4 as well. That's not even factoring in the potential size of the Chinese market, in which even if the 4 is unsuccessful (say 1% of the population buy the console) that's still 13.6m sales based on China's current population.

I think with the potential of markets like South America, China & SE Asia, not to mention African countries (which aren't all starving, war-torn disaster zones) more than makes up for potential contractions in the established markets, making exceeding PS3 sales entirely possible.

Worth remembering as well that Sony's vision for Gaikai is universal device streaming of older gaming content with 'cutting edge' being available in a box under the TV - the whole notion of having to build with BC in mind pretty much goes with that, and it also takes in all the current 'tablet with joysticks' potential too (not to mention the just whole monstrous concept that it represents).
 
a916 said:
I don't see why not... PS3 was down compared to the PS2 and now the market is even bigger than before.
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Is the market really bigger than before?

I really don't think so, look at it like this, if you remove WII from the calculation seeing as that was an anomaly, then the user base has really shrunk, during the Ps2 era we had a collective user base of roughly 200 million users across 3 systems (PS2=150, GC=22, Xbox=25), but with only ps360 seeing as that was the system for the so called "HARDCORE", we only have 160 million users, and don't forget this systems have been on the market for about 8 years. this is not a good sign.

So far both Sony and Microsoft said that this gen will be shorter than the last, and don't forget that a lot of people bought the ps360 as multimedia machines (blu-ray, netflix and hulu) while others got it for casual games (kinect really moved systems). People that got it for the multimedia purpose have better and cheaper machines in their homes now, as for the casuals they have moved to phone and tablets. If anything the User base is actually shrinking and that is something we should really talk about.
 
It's possible I'd say, the PS3 was seriously gimped for it's first few years until 08/09 when the rebranding campaign started and it as a console and Sony had a brutally bad reputation among gamers for years because of their arrogance and it still has sold +80 million HW units either way. The PS4 is like the anti-PS3 (decent price from the get go, good rep, a huge amount of hype among gamers, really the only 8th gen console without doom and gloom, etc.) so it has a good chance. If there is one 8th generation console I think has a shot at beating it's previous 7th generation console in sales, it is the PS4.
 
Sure it will. I mean, look at how the PS3 managed to turn things around and become an eventual success despite the myriad of screw-ups it suffered early on. The PS4 doesn't have to turn things around - it's leapt round out of the gate and things are only going to get better for it once the AAA exclusives are out.
 
Provided Sony don't let their foot off the accelerator with regard to the PS4, its marketing and its software, I see no reason why they can't manage this, provided the essential exclusive games are on their way.
 
Rocky said:
OK, you PS haters really need to drop this. With 2.1+ mil sales out of the gate, it proves that paying for online isn't keeping people from buying the console. Free online isn't selling WiiUs is now either, is it?
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God some people are so presumptious. They were making a fairly valid point but no, 2.1 million sales out the gate, therefore any counter argument must be a PS hater! It's not like launch sales are very weakly correlated with final sales or anything...
 
EtherMagic said:
PS4 doesn't have anything special about it as the Wii had...

Wii had motion controlled remote, huge at the time for technology as far as general public (2006), which made everyone want one, including me and many of my family members.

The only thing PS4 has going for it is Price compared to X1.

X1 has Kinect going for it (as being advertised as a purpose to own it), no need to switch between devices any-longer, plus (in the public's eye) does everything PS4 does.

Once better drivers come out for both (especially X1, as reported MS were far behind PS4's with lauch games as drivers are concerned), there won't be a huge difference other then maybe 1080p-900p, and some particle effects.

The public don't care about this crap that us more intuitive hardcore gamer's care about, the very tiny things that separate these systems, other then PRICE!!!

Sony has a HUGE advantage here! Not only does GDDR5 have an advantage in a technical aspect (which the public do not care about), it has the advantage over DDR3 in the price adjustment privilege category!

DDR3 is not going to go down in price much for MS, it already wore out it's welcome in the industry, it's pretty much set in stone what MS will keep paying for it. While on the other hand, GDDR5 is going to do nothing BUT go down in price, meaning Sony has so much more of an easier road to drop the price of there system then MS does with the X1. MS screwed themselves long ago by not taking the gamble with GDDR5, they knew at the time they needed 8gb of memory, and really felt at that time they had no choice but to go with DDR3, as they knew they needed the memory for the MultiMedia Machine they were creating, and GDDR5 seemed like a dream at the time to get in quantities of 8gb. Point being, Sony took a gamble, and WON!

Price is KEY in this war, and this WILL be key to who wins this battle of the consoles in the end. The only thing MS can hope for, is that the Public buys into there evolutionary concept of voice command and controlling your living room with just that, your voice.

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LOL fucking what?

Voice commands are shit, they always have been shit and they always will be shit whilst its a digital device trying to interpret analogue soundwaves. They tend to work well in a quiet environment and if you talk in a way the machine will understand, add any other variables to that, (Kids, accents, music, dogs barking, cats meowing, you know average family home stuff.) and the problems start.
 
Jamix012 said:
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God some people are so presumptious. They were making a fairly valid point but no, 2.1 million sales out the gate, therefore any counter argument must be a PS hater! It's not like launch sales are very weakly correlated with final sales or anything...
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That wasn't a counter argument, it was a driveby. And it certainly wasn't valid, since if consumers were really so against paying for online, I think neither PS4 or XBone would have had as good launches.
 
thekin said:
Is the market really bigger than before?

I really don't think so, look at it like this, if you remove WII from the calculation seeing as that was an anomaly, then the user base has really shrunk, during the Ps2 era we had a collective user base of roughly 200 million users across 3 systems (PS2=150, GC=22, Xbox=25), but with only ps360 seeing as that was the system for the so called "HARDCORE", we only have 160 million users, and don't forget this systems have been on the market for about 8 years. this is not a good sign.

So far both Sony and Microsoft said that this gen will be shorter than the last, and don't forget that a lot of people bought the ps360 as multimedia machines (blu-ray, netflix and hulu) while others got it for casual games (kinect really moved systems). People that got it for the multimedia purpose have better and cheaper machines in their homes now, as for the casuals they have moved to phone and tablets. If anything the User base is actually shrinking and that is something we should really talk about.
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Wait. So me and the millions of other dedicated gamers, who purchased a Wii don't count? Wow, that's news to me!

...It's not nearly as simplistic as you think it is.
 
thekin said:
Is the market really bigger than before?

I really don't think so, look at it like this, if you remove WII from the calculation seeing as that was an anomaly, then the user base has really shrunk, during the Ps2 era we had a collective user base of roughly 200 million users across 3 systems (PS2=150, GC=22, Xbox=25), but with only ps360 seeing as that was the system for the so called "HARDCORE", we only have 160 million users, and don't forget this systems have been on the market for about 8 years. this is not a good sign.

So far both Sony and Microsoft said that this gen will be shorter than the last, and don't forget that a lot of people bought the ps360 as multimedia machines (blu-ray, netflix and hulu) while others got it for casual games (kinect really moved systems). People that got it for the multimedia purpose have better and cheaper machines in their homes now, as for the casuals they have moved to phone and tablets. If anything the User base is actually shrinking and that is something we should really talk about.
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I agree with all of this. Very well said and so true. Console gaming as it stands now is basically a niche. All Apple has to do is add gaming to it's Apple TV and it would blow the X1 and PS4 out of the water.
 
thekin said:
Is the market really bigger than before?

I really don't think so, look at it like this, if you remove WII from the calculation seeing as that was an anomaly, then the user base has really shrunk, during the Ps2 era we had a collective user base of roughly 200 million users across 3 systems (PS2=150, GC=22, Xbox=25), but with only ps360 seeing as that was the system for the so called "HARDCORE", we only have 160 million users, and don't forget this systems have been on the market for about 8 years. this is not a good sign.

So far both Sony and Microsoft said that this gen will be shorter than the last, and don't forget that a lot of people bought the ps360 as multimedia machines (blu-ray, netflix and hulu) while others got it for casual games (kinect really moved systems). People that got it for the multimedia purpose have better and cheaper machines in their homes now, as for the casuals they have moved to phone and tablets. If anything the User base is actually shrinking and that is something we should really talk about.
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You're using the 12 year total for the ps2 userbase to argue the market is smaller than the 7 to 8 year userbase of the ps360.

The ps2 only sold 100 million before the ps3 launch. The remaining 50 million were after that. Wait until the ps3 and 360 are actually off shelves before making grand announcements about market shrinkage.

And as for the multimedia argument, did we forget that a big selling point of the ps2 at launch was as a DVD player? Especially in jp where it was the cheapest unit by far?
 
Gosh, I would hope so, considering that population is increasing. It would be bad if sales stayed the same and the overall population went up. That'd mean you lost per capita popularity.
 
Manmademan said:
You're using the 12 year total for the ps2 userbase to argue the market is smaller than the 7 to 8 year userbase of the ps360.

The ps2 only sold 100 million before the ps3 launch. The remaining 50 million were after that. Wait until the ps3 and 360 are actually off shelves before making grand announcements about market shrinkage.
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This is also another huge hole in your argument. People need to actual look at an entire picture before bold proclamations.

Edit: "Your" is not referring to you, Manmademan.
 
Manmademan said:
You're using the 12 year total for the ps2 userbase to argue the market is smaller than the 7 to 8 year userbase of the ps360.

The ps2 only sold 100 million before the ps3 launch. The remaining 50 million were after that. Wait until the ps3 and 360 are actually off shelves before making grand announcements about market shrinkage.

And as for the multimedia argument, did we forget that a big selling point of the ps2 at launch was as a DVD player? Especially in jp where it was the cheapest unit by far?
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What the OP is saying is now kids these days have so many other choices then in the past. Most kids play games on Tabs or Phones.
 
gamers said:
What the OP is saying is now kids these days have so many other choices then in the past. Most kids play games on Tabs or Phones.
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Tablets and phones are competing with handhelds, but not the dedicated console market in any significant way. We've yet to see any data at all that says otherwise.

The 7th generation is ahead of the 6th at this point in its lifespan, even if we don't count the Wii at all.
 
Manmademan said:
Tablets and phones are competing with handhelds, but not the dedicated console market in any significant way. We've yet to see any data at all that says otherwise.

The 7th generation is ahead of the 6th at this point in its lifespan, even if we don't count the Wii at all.
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It's only been a month. There's a lot of systems to sell if they want to get to last generations totals. I don't see it happening, but we'll see.
 
I'd think this is probably likely enough just from the stand point that the market has to be doing better than 2008 era and the launch wasn't 600 dollars which kept a lot of people away from it for so long.

Just a hunch though.
 
gamers said:
It's only been a month. There's a lot of systems to sell if they want to get to last generations totals. I don't see it happening, but we'll see.
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I said "at this point in it's lifespan". not total. At this point in the 6th generation,

The PS2 was at or around 100 million consoles
The Xbox was dead at 24 million consoles.
The Gamecube was dead at 21 million consoles.

At this point in the 7th,

The PS3 is at 80 million and selling strongly.
The Xbox 360 is at 80 million and selling strongly.
The Wii is dead at (about) 100 million units.

If you exclude the wii entirely, the PS360 is STILL ahead. Exclude nintendo's platforms as a whole (assuming nintendo is a separate audience) and PS360 is WAY ahead of PS2 +Xbox. it's not even close, and the PS360 is selling at a significantly higher price point.

On top of that, we've had original IP selling VERY strongly (TLOU) and 6th generation customers are buying record breaking amounts of software (GTAV) for existing platforms. The only way the 7th doesn't surpass the 6th in TOTAL hardware is if MS and Sony simply pull those units from shelves prematurely.

The original poster's assertion that the console market shrank over last gen is simply false, and he was using the full lifespan of the PS2 (which was over 12 years) to try and make his point.
 
BigDug13 said:
I have said since Day 1 that Microsoft "could" have a true living room media competitor on their hands. But like I've said since day 1, that paywall for all media is fucking bullshit.

The average consumer is not going to buy an expensive game machine over a Smart TV or Apple TV or whatever that is capable of doing media functions without a paywall.

Locking Internet Explorer behind a paywall
Locking Netflix behind a paywall
Locking Amazon Prime behind a paywall
Locking Youtube behind a paywall
Locking basically every shred of console functionality behind a subscription paywall

None of that is a path to success in taking over the living room as America's media center controller except for Xbox gamers.

Only about 25 million Xbox 360 owners can access Internet Explorer, Netflix, and Youtube on their 360 (approximate number of Gold subscribers). That's 1/3 of the number of people who can use those services on the PS3. It's not like Microsoft is coming from a place of multimedia dominance on the Xbox platform. Paywall is the reason.
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This. EtherMagic's living in a dream world if he thinks that Microsoft will win the living room or if Kinect 2 will be big like it was 3 years ago.

You can get a PS4 & either a Apple TV or a Roku for the same price of a Xbox One console.
 
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