I like Zeeroid, too. But yeah, Bait and switch never goes over too well. Especially when you toy with people's hearts with a beloved character like Skull Kid.
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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I like Zeeroid, too. But yeah, Bait and switch never goes over too well. Especially when you toy with people's hearts with a beloved character like Skull Kid.
Well, depends on the size of that thing
And not sure if it's going to be the moon being dropped since that can mean Skull Kid uses suicide to attack his enemies and not sure how Nintendo would like that :lol
Hot Coldman
Banned
I don't think Assist Trophies need to worry about being balanced, most of them in Brawl certainly weren't.
double-standard is still kinda tacky
he's only got a week's ban though so ¯\_(ツ
_/¯
double-standard is still kinda tacky
he's only got a week's ban though so ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Dimitri LH
Member
Zeeroid was banned? for how long? Oh wow... 
So to sum it up....
Possible things to be shown tomorrow.
New smash footage, either character is shown or new game play mechanics (would be best )
New Zelda Info (Also good )
New DK footage and reveal (Meh...ok I guess but not the best place to show it )
So to sum it up....
Possible things to be shown tomorrow.
New smash footage, either character is shown or new game play mechanics (would be best )
New Zelda Info (Also good )
New DK footage and reveal (Meh...ok I guess but not the best place to show it )
It's all really a question of what system can handle what. Do they scale back so that the 3DS can handle them and maintain a good framerate, or do they make certain ones version exclusive? Especially if the assist trophy is like the blue devil guy in smash, where it affects all of your opponents 3DS camera views but not your own. Something that could only be pulled off on the 3DS version, or something that has a million particles and effects that could only be pulled off on Wii U version could be version exclusive. Unlike stages though, they shouldn't all have to be.
C.Olimar788
Member
Even if Skull Kid does drop the moon and it ends up being somewhat overpowered, I can't see it being much of an issue. It could be an Assist Trophy equivalent to getting a Legendary from a Poke Ball, where it's deliberately really good but also fairly rare.
And, really, if someone's playing with items they're probably not too terribly worried what is and isn't OP.
The Bankslammer
Member
man
i fucking wish some of my favorite characters were assist trophies
you skull kid fans should consider yourself lucky!!!
i fucking wish some of my favorite characters were assist trophies
you skull kid fans should consider yourself lucky!!!
Neoriceisgood
Member
Tell me your favourite characters so that I can insult them.
BassForever
Member
Wow really he got a week ban for that? Duck roll should be perma banned then for all the times he's done it. At least there needs to be a "no more bait switch threads from mods or users" announcement
The Bankslammer
Member
Save 'N Quit
Banned
Want to take this opportunity to say that I want my buddy Knuckle Joe back as an AT.
Always had a smile whenever he popped up.
Always had a smile whenever he popped up.
Want to take this opportunity to say that I want my buddy Knuckle Joe back as an AT.
Always had a smile whenever he popped up.
Oh yeah!! Brings back some great memories form Kirby Superstar.
MisterHero
Super Member
tell me what is bait and switch for that thread title. it wasn't actually lying
#freezeeroid
#freezeeroid
Where were you? You missed the party again. Boss Doggie went crazy.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Want to take this opportunity to say that I want my buddy Knuckle Joe back as an AT.
Always had a smile whenever he popped up.
Same here with Dr. Wright and Isaac.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I would be pretty surprised if the W101 were not an assist trophy.
It seems like a missed opportunity if they're not.
It seems like a missed opportunity if they're not.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I honestly can't see how anyone would actually think Skull Kid would be a playable character either.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I imagine the rule has to be enforced sparingly so they don't get calls to ban Wario and Shinobi, who are well-known.
Nocturnowl
Member
Want to take this opportunity to say that I want my buddy Knuckle Joe back as an AT.
Always had a smile whenever he popped up.
I never got why this guy of all Assist Trophies was so damn powerful since it's just one of the many standard Kirby enemies and not a notorious one either.
I also dislike the design but that's another story.
Hot Coldman
Banned
ShockingAlberto
Member
He was playable in Super Star, IIRC.
C.Olimar788
Member
I agree completely. W101 is practically guaranteed to be repped in some way, and AT seems like the obvious conclusion. Unless, of course, Wonder Red somehow makes it as playable, which could always happen.
Sakurai gotta be showing his Kirby bias.
Everybody knows knuckle joe, especially after the cartoon.
MisterHero
Super Member
So, uh, was Zeer0id banned over his Skull Kid thread title? I'd imagine no one was injured in the course of lifting their index finger to click through a thread thinking it was one thing and then it was another. And I'm fairly certain numerous other people have done the same thing before without penalty. :-\
Not to mention that for all the indignant thread-shitters, there was some decent on-topic conversation take place. Shame the thread was closed.
Not to mention that for all the indignant thread-shitters, there was some decent on-topic conversation take place. Shame the thread was closed.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I'm not particularly interested in a back-and-forth on why we did this, but I just felt like this was worth clarifying. If the concern is "this isn't a consistent policy," I'll be more than happy to consider that we might do well to be more clear on whether those types of threads are allowed never or allowed sometimes. However, if your argument is "I don't see what was misleading about that thread title," then I don't really know how to respond. There was still room in the thread title to clarify " as an assist trophy." Further, the first line of the OP began with "...", indicating that he knew that the title probably didn't tell the full story. Then consider that many of the responses were people upset about being misled, or people congratulating the clever thread title. Basically, there's no argument to be made that the title was chosen to be as informative as possible and any possible deception was completely unintentional.
Anyway, aside from that, you might still argue that this rule isn't clearly understood, and we'll consider whether an update needs to be made to the FAQ. And with that, I'll suggest that you can PM us with any questions/concerns, but there's no need to reply to this in thread and derail your regularly scheduled programming.
MannyToons
Member
I would love to see the W101 as an Assist Trophy. Each time they're summoned, they morph into one of the random Unite Morphs, go for a single (or maybe multiple) attack, separate, then vanish.
Eh, you know how Smash can be referencing stuff that comes out the same console cycle. Very hit or miss. I'm not holding my breath for anything TW101-related.
Neoriceisgood
Member
I expect most assists/pokeballs might vary a lot between the two systems.
3DS probably can't handle more intense/weird assist trophies. If Skull Kid summons the *ing moon I don't expect that to happen on 3DS.
3DS probably can't handle more intense/weird assist trophies. If Skull Kid summons the *ing moon I don't expect that to happen on 3DS.
Erm, why not? In Kid Icarus Uprising, another Sakurai game, you had high-speed twitch-action multiplayer battles, with four players online, where players could unleash giant spinning pyramids at each other.
Nocturnowl
Member
As MisterHero said, all enemies could become helper characters so there's nothing that really sets him apart. Maybe Sakurai just really liked the Fighter ability bestowed upon old Joe.
Coming to think of it a lot of things like items, stage hazards, Pokemon and Assist Trophies could be brutally powerful in Brawl, hopefully they tone that down a bit, I like my items but not everything needs to have the touch of death.
Well where there's smoke there's fire.
Clearly I didn't watch it enough.
I think this counts as a good thing.
Gardevoir
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
What would Dr. Light do? Project himself then fall asleep?
When does it start
I don't think VGX starts 0am
When does it start
Wait he was banned? Well that's disappointing but his sacrifice was not in vain.
I'd love a TW101 assist trophy, they could do so many cool things with it. It could be a random Unite morph, or a string of Unite Morph combos.
I doubt Wonder Red is going to be playable at this point, but I got thinking yesterday how much SSBM boosted Fire Emblem's popularity. It single-handedly got people in the west interested in the FE series. Just think if Wonder Red was in Smash. People would be like "who's this guy? he's really awesome!" and boom they go buy a copy of TW101.
I doubt Wonder Red is going to be playable at this point, but I got thinking yesterday how much SSBM boosted Fire Emblem's popularity. It single-handedly got people in the west interested in the FE series. Just think if Wonder Red was in Smash. People would be like "who's this guy? he's really awesome!" and boom they go buy a copy of TW101.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
We will see
Apparently. I would say it's more fair and reasonable to issue a forum-wide warning about this apparent rule, and -then- issue a ban to anyone who breaks it. This "shoot first, explain later" approach doesn't seem terribly fair to Zeer0id, even if it does make more of an impression.
Hard to say. Only real example of this is mario galaxy.
2006
Wii Sports
Excite Truck
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
2007
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Wii Play
Super Paper Mario
Mario Party 8
Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
Pokémon Battle Revolution
Mario Strikers Charged
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
Battalion Wars 2
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Super Mario Galaxy
Link's Crossbow Training
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Published by Nintendo in Japan only)
Eyeshield 21: The Field's Greatest Warriors (Japan only)
The rest could be argued that they were not popular enough (battalion wars), or were kinda irrelevant for smash (mario party), or were new entries in a series that never really saw smash reps (paper mario), Or were simply sequels to stuff that *DID* make it into smash (fire emblem)
I mean, gamecube didn't have much to go on when melee came out:
2001
Luigi's Mansion
Pikmin
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Wave Race: Blue Storm
So yeah, no luigi's mansion, but there was a pikmin trophy.
As for n64 stuff making it to into melee:
2000
Ridge Racer 64
Mario Tennis
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Pokémon Puzzle League
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
Excitebike 64
Pokémon Stadium 2
Paper Mario
Mickey's Speedway USA
Sin & Punishment
Mario Party 3
2001
Dr. Mario 64
Animal Crossing
Animal crossing got a trophy, majora's mask got a stage, and sin and punishment was ignored
Neoriceisgood
Member
Some stuff sakurai has stated about characters like Ice Climbers being hard to execute on 3DS, this combined with the total lack of items in all 3DS screenshots makes me feel like we can't necessarily expect the same content in both games.
(I also feel like some items might make particularly good use of either HD or 3D but not the other. So unique items/assits per game might benefit from each system.)
I might be wrong of course, but the different stages, screen size & visuals seem like they'd invite to different items as well.
Ohohohoh, clever.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
IT's just a week tho.
I think you may be underestimating the 3DS. The absence of items in 3DS shots is in all likelihood Sakurai's desire to simply frame certain elements more clearly in those shots, I.E. keep the focus on what the 3DS version of Character A looks like, or to clearly show what 3DS Stage B looks like.
Kid Icarus Uprising had four players, online, with TONS of mayhem going on -- screen-spanning effects, explosions that engulfed the arena and more, on top of the twitch-action of shooting and slashing.
I think that Sakurai, working with the benefit of an established gameplay model and advanced knowledge of the 3DS, could find a way to make a moon fall onto the stage in the 3DS version.
Whoops that's what I meant. No idea where that not came from.
You're just a naughty guy