Fighting Games Weekly | Dec 9-15 | Funding Nemo? Not yet...
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Parallax Scroll
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I just wasted like an hour tonight on Last Blade 2 on Virtual Console. For some reason, for me that game get's brutal past stave three. Man SNK needs to emulate all their old shit on current consoles and Steam. Particularly Last Blade and Garou.
I think I'm going to write down important inputs on pieces of paper for every fighting game I bought digitally (and thus don't have a physical manual for) and don't play often, so I can quickly remind myself if I haven't played a game in a while. It's basically the same thing as when developers print move guides on arcade cabinets. Does anyone print those things out and slide them onto customized sticks?
I think I'm going to write down important inputs on pieces of paper for every fighting game I bought digitally (and thus don't have a physical manual for) and don't play often, so I can quickly remind myself if I haven't played a game in a while. It's basically the same thing as when developers print move guides on arcade cabinets. Does anyone print those things out and slide them onto customized sticks?
toddhunter
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Capcom cup predictions
AE 2012 - Fuudo
Marvel - Chris G
Sfxt - Infiltration
AE 2012 - Fuudo
Marvel - Chris G
Sfxt - Infiltration
SloaneRisette
Member
It actually works for me! Crazy.
AE: Chris G
I really wanna say Tokido though
UMvC3: Chris G
SFxT: Infiltration
Capcom Cup confirmed to be anti excite as fuck.
Where's the Nemo/Fanatiq prediction though?
toddhunter
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Yeah it isn't the most exciting picks, but what can you do.
In terms of who I want to win
AE 2012: Haitani
Marvel: Kaneblueriver
Sfxt: Valle
As for the money match, is that confirmed happening?
If so, I'll predict Fanatiq to complete Nemo's hustle of his Japanese backers by winning 20-9.
As for the Flocker thing I predict I will not care enough to make a prediction because the players will not care either.
Fei Long is a pure footsie/poke style character with great corner pressure, great Focus Attack and some good mix up options (overhead and command throw).
My predictions for Capcom Cup (no bets on these):
AE: Tokido
Marvel: FChamp
SFxT: Infiltration
Flocker exhibition: Flocker will lose
Fanatiq/Nemo MM: Nemo
The MM is confirmed. Fanatiq says it will be FT20.
ScrubSaibot
Neo Member
Bad shoto with a rekka.
I got Fanatiq.
Fanatiq's preparation is something else and I don't think Nemo's prep will be anywhere near as rigorous or effective. I want Nemo to win, but Anorexic-Batman-prep Fanatiq too stronk.
I want Fanatiq to bust out a new team honestly, I'd be hype for that.
I wonder if I even FGC-GAF enough anymore to get an interview slot. I also need to go back and find GreenAce's matches throughout Saturday, Marn vs. Flux and everything Sanford. I missed a lot for my supposed "return to monstering".
At least I was present for MarlinQuotes commentary.
At least I was present for MarlinQuotes commentary.
Ragingnight
Member
don't worry, he'll bust out team fanatinives
Nemo's records against the gods:
FChamp: 20-11
ChrisG: 20-10
Justin Wong: 15-14
PRRog: 15-6, 15-12
Flocker: 5-2, 3-2
Off the top of my head, some of these numbers might be a bit off but Nemo has pretty much put every Marvel player in the world in a body bag in long sets except Justin Marvelous Wong which was a last game epic set.
Other body bags include:
Moons: 8-0
KBR: 10-3
Ranmasama: 10-8, 10-6, 10-1
Tokido: 10-6
As fas as I can tell, wherever actual money was exchanged directly in a MM... Nemo is undefeated. This is easily Fanatiq's toughest MM ever, nothing in MVC2 comes close.
This is not even factoring in team strength in which Nemo's team has MSS beat (6-4 advantage). For Fanatiq to win he had to be secretly training and keeping his skills under wraps since EVO 2013 and I do not think that is the case. A week time is not enough even in the hyperbolic time chamber.
FChamp: 20-11
ChrisG: 20-10
Justin Wong: 15-14
PRRog: 15-6, 15-12
Flocker: 5-2, 3-2
Off the top of my head, some of these numbers might be a bit off but Nemo has pretty much put every Marvel player in the world in a body bag in long sets except Justin Marvelous Wong which was a last game epic set.
Other body bags include:
Moons: 8-0
KBR: 10-3
Ranmasama: 10-8, 10-6, 10-1
Tokido: 10-6
As fas as I can tell, wherever actual money was exchanged directly in a MM... Nemo is undefeated. This is easily Fanatiq's toughest MM ever, nothing in MVC2 comes close.
This is not even factoring in team strength in which Nemo's team has MSS beat (6-4 advantage). For Fanatiq to win he had to be secretly training and keeping his skills under wraps since EVO 2013 and I do not think that is the case. A week time is not enough even in the hyperbolic time chamber.
Yeah he's sure beaten some huge people dominating the MvC3 scene with his prep in money matches. Like Rayray in his first real big money match with no real experience. CJshowstopper? Joker?
In the world of mvc3 I can't say I'm that blown away by MM mode Fanatiq. He's definitely good but meanwhile we have Nemo who can beat Chris G and FChamp. He can't really use the mind games he likes to use as easily due to language barriers.
He's got nothing.
DryEyeRelief
Member
AE
Xian
Tokido
ChrisG
Sako
Alioune
Haitani
Gackt
Fuudo
UMVC3
ChrisG
FChamp
JWong
KBR
Abegen
Marlin
Yipes
Nemo
SFxT
Infil
Valle
JWong
NuckleDu
Ramos
Tampa Bison
thezombiedriver
sethlol
People really think ChrisG is going to take AE huh? Reminds me of when people said that Chris was going to win AE at Evo too.
Expected result:
AE
Tokido
Marvel
Justin
SFxT
Seth
Hopeful result:
AE
Haitani
Marvel
Abegen
SFxT
Seth
Professor Beef
Banned
Dammit if I'm not tempted to bet against Fanatiq.
Passive Assassin
Member
"God's Beard!"
Member
i got Infiltration for sfxt
RecklessWolf
Neo Member
People put a lot of stock into those 1 set of money matches. Is there really evidence that Nemo is consistent? I think his advantage was that we don't really have people who play his team at the highest level. I have an inkling he's being seriously over-hyped... I mean Mike Ross almost took him out.
I just presented the evidence for the Nemo vs Fanatiq MM.
We are talking about consistency in MMs not consistency in tournaments which Nemo obviously lacks. Otherwise I would have Nemo to win Capcom Cup but I don't.
That makes you OG FGC-GAF bro.
It's okay, if I didn't make these threads I probably would be a ghost in the wind here too.
On the flipside, what kind of an accomplishment is beating Chris G and FChamp who are both known to psych themselves out in extended sets? Nemo was a ton more motivated to body those dudes that were learning on their feet and he did and they didn't prepare for those sets either.
Not really sure about what you mean about mind games, but if you just mean a whole bunch of shit talk to throw you off, it was pretty minimal, if at all a factor with RayRay.
I put them both on a pretty equal level in terms of potential. Nemo is a tiny bit overrated just because of what people know him best for, but dude's performance isn't really so consistent that he's an unstoppable force, nowhere close. I have a better idea of what we're going to get from Nemo than I do Fanatiq, and that's part of the reason I give advantage to Fanatiq. Fanatiq has two plus teams at his disposal, extended experience against at LEAST 3 top class players who play his team, and 2 of which in long sets.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Hard to believe that Final Round is in three months.
You mean the weeks upon weeks of Fanatiq sandbagging to make it seem like he wasn't very good were minimal? Going on streams to showcase his lack of ability etc? He talked about it all in great depth during the EVO panel about the mental games he played on RayRay as well.
Not just shit talk, but actual mind games. How he trained RayRay to think he had certain habits prior to the match. Like RayRay walking in the room to observe what he'd do, so he'd purposely do the same mixup every time to train him to think those were his habits.
Those are the mind games I'm making reference to.
Poking my head in here to say that I'm hyped for Project M. 
Unfortunately I've been busy and missed most of NEC due to work, but on the bright side I just got promoted to E-5. Whee~
Caught up now though, was hoping Justin would take it so he can be #1 in yet another game in NEC but Chris G's too strong. Can't wait until Capcom Cup.
EDIT: v Congrats on placing! Look forward to the archives to be uploaded to Youtube for me to watch.
Unfortunately I've been busy and missed most of NEC due to work, but on the bright side I just got promoted to E-5. Whee~
Caught up now though, was hoping Justin would take it so he can be #1 in yet another game in NEC but Chris G's too strong. Can't wait until Capcom Cup.
EDIT: v Congrats on placing! Look forward to the archives to be uploaded to Youtube for me to watch.
NEC 14 Vampire Savior Results:
1st: Ailerus (Felicia)
2nd: MightyMar (Anakaris)
3rd: Xanoz (Aulbath, Jedah)
4th: Jedahsministry (Aulbath)
5th: HARD_BREAD (Talbain)
5th: KyleW (Morrigan)
7th: DaiAndOh (Aulbath)
7th: Apollo (Zabel)
9th: GBursine (Victor)
9th: Juddermang (Aulbath)
Top 8 was recorded and will be uploaded to YouTube, along with assorted matches from throughout the tournament.
First major I attended and had an amazing time. Budgeting for Evo starts now.
1st: Ailerus (Felicia)
2nd: MightyMar (Anakaris)
3rd: Xanoz (Aulbath, Jedah)
4th: Jedahsministry (Aulbath)
5th: HARD_BREAD (Talbain)
5th: KyleW (Morrigan)
7th: DaiAndOh (Aulbath)
7th: Apollo (Zabel)
9th: GBursine (Victor)
9th: Juddermang (Aulbath)
Top 8 was recorded and will be uploaded to YouTube, along with assorted matches from throughout the tournament.
First major I attended and had an amazing time. Budgeting for Evo starts now.
Neither Chris nor FChamp "psych" themselves out in long sets. FChamp has a solid long set record and ChrisG prior to the Nemo set was undefeated in long sets (we already forgetting the 15-10 epic Chris vs FChamp set or when ChrisG bodied Frutsy?). FChamp himself plays long sets constantly, he did the longest official set in Marvel 3 against X Ray at FT50.
Marginalizing Nemo's wins over FChamp/ChrisG is a joke.
And people are still flipping the use of "consistency" here. We are not talking about consistency in 3/5 tournament matches we are talking about consistency in long sets. In long sets Nemo's top performance is factually consistent. You could say the same for Fanatiq as well.
Marginalizing Nemo's wins over FChamp/ChrisG is a joke.
And people are still flipping the use of "consistency" here. We are not talking about consistency in 3/5 tournament matches we are talking about consistency in long sets. In long sets Nemo's top performance is factually consistent. You could say the same for Fanatiq as well.
DrFunkatronic
Member
Smooth Operator
Member
Yes, Dahbomb is on the case.
It's referenced to in the thread title.
I guess we can use this opportunity to REALLY talk about it and how I feel about it. I am not getting myself hyped over this, this is not concrete and players have dropped similar hints before (FChamp in particular). Granted this is Combofiend but it could be a troll. I don't expect anything to.come of this but at the same time... I will always believe.
Now in the hypothetical case that something does come out of it... is it a balance patch only or is it a more Ultra-esque expansion? Or are they just going to make like a few necessary changes and leave the game as is (fix some bugs, TACs and remove some bugs/unintended mechanics with Zero/Vergil).
I would honestly be MORE than fine with just a balance update but it has to be a substantial one meaning not just bug fixing and tier shuffling. Some characters require reworks and no way are they going to be fixed with some frame data changes. Quite a few fundamental things would have to change as well.
We made a huge document listing the type of stuff we would like to see in the event of a balance patch. We restricted it to 10 changes per characters and no addition of new moves to keep things concise and focused. That list will be released soon. It features a 9 to 1 ratio of buffs versus nerfs and a few significant system changes. The whole thing took over 4 months to complete, lots of discussion was done on it and even some top player suggestions were incorporated in. If even a small percentage of that stuff is implemented it would lead to a much more enjoyable game for everyone.
In the broad strokes though I want improvements in netcode (if possible), a local VS mode for H&H with the Parry bug fixed along with others, the d/f+H throw OS gone (only forward and back OS), no chainable normals on whiff, TAC system reworked, overall health increased, XF2/3 slightly nerfed, Zero/Vergil/Mag/Viper nerfed, unblockables nerfed, Plasma Beam/Missiles nerfed, absurd specific damage combos nerfed, assist selection on all characters but Dante, Doom and IM buffed and a vast majority of characters buffed.
But yea... until there is more concrete stuff on this its a pipe dream. People should not read too much into it.
Lostconfused
Member
I don't know if there is some arcade stick thread lurking in the community ghetto so I am just going to ask here. What the fuck is wrong with the Tekken Hybrid stick? Why did they make it such a pain in the ass to take apart and did Markman apologize for this bullshit?
Stabby McSter
Member
Fanatiq sucks because he's from the inferior part of Cali. 
You mean the entirely-transparent-to-every-single-person "sandbagging" from Fanatiq? People called that shit out everywhere, and I'll be damned if RayRay eased up for it. Don't tell me you were fooled on this shit too. Maybe streaming his "training," but that took a comical turn too & the rest of it wasn't fooling anyone.
First I'm hearing about the mixup thing, but if he did the same mixup every time, that wouldn't really fool anyone either. That sounds incredibly transparent too. Perhaps he dropped stuff more often too, etc. but some of this stuff is a huge stretch. With people like Yipes in his ear too, I would think any presumptions of RayRay being a fool to stuff like that are thrown out the door too. The Fanatiq is sandbagging thing was way more salient than Fanatiq's performance legitimately degrading as he gets closer to the money match.
FChamp crumbles in high stakes long sets. You just mentioning the 15-10 should mean you know dude is unstable and can destroy himself before the opponent can because that's exactly what happened to FChamp. Chris G has gotten better over time, and come to think of it we haven't actually seen many long sets from him, but he has a history of being unstable in reset brackets. Better now of course, but there's less to go off of there so you can't just give dude the shadow of the doubt and say Chris G was worthy in a format he is uncomfortable with and refuses to play with others in. It's hard to substantiate Nemo being somehow grizzled when any substantiating evidence comes with an asterisk.
Why are you assuming I'm talking about 3/5 consistency? Not like format matters, I'm talking matchups and when we originally heard of Nemo and had those long sets with Japanese players came out. Dude was not invincible. He's not immune to getting washed by a team he's not prepared for. FChamp and Chris G are MvC3 hallmarks, even if he hasn't played against them he has more to research if he wants to.
There aren't strong arguments either way is what you should take out of this, but Nemo has a lot more to prove than Fanatiq is the bottom line. MvC2/MvC3, it doesn't matter. Dude has experience going the extra mile to earn the W, and that isn't just impromptu money matches backing it up.
Lostconfused
Member
Thanks, any particular reason why page 32 though?
Professor Beef
Banned
he's probably on 100ppp
Passive Assassin
Member
gaf gold
Professor Beef
Banned
You only have Gold? lol
Betting on Marvel is for people with gambling addictions.Enzo either put up (the money) or shut up.
So yeah, for now.
Passive Assassin
Member
gold peasant :{{
Huw_Dawson
Member
If Capcom are doing anything to Marvel it would be a paid update, so that reduces our options quite a bit.
1) Paid DLC expansion. A small number of new characters, mechanics reworks, maybe one or two new stages.
2) New gen console release of some kind, with a balance patch in tow which would apply to the versions on both gens.
3) A new Marvel game entirely.
This is assuming that Capcom don't just give the community a patch because they are feeling nice.
1) Paid DLC expansion. A small number of new characters, mechanics reworks, maybe one or two new stages.
2) New gen console release of some kind, with a balance patch in tow which would apply to the versions on both gens.
3) A new Marvel game entirely.
This is assuming that Capcom don't just give the community a patch because they are feeling nice.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Capcom All Stars