If this happens, Mike not making it will really sting just because he could be that off kilter obscurity that could play in the position of "most known unknown" like Pit (and Takamaru) did.
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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If this happens, Mike not making it will really sting just because he could be that off kilter obscurity that could play in the position of "most known unknown" like Pit (and Takamaru) did.
Takamaru is in the same camp with Little Mac in which they are both legacy Nintendo characters. That alone should give them a good chance considering Sakurai loves adding them. (Ice Climbers, Pit, Mr. G&W, R.O.B.)
As far as 3rd parties go, I think Pac-Man is definitely the most likely due to Namco developing the game as well as the IP being tied to Nintendo in the past. (Pac-Man Vs. for example)
Konami is a complete blank where nobody is really sure what Sakurai will do. There are good arguments that could be made for Snake, Simon, both, or no Konami reps at all which at the very least makes for exciting bets!
As far as 3rd parties go, I think Pac-Man is definitely the most likely due to Namco developing the game as well as the IP being tied to Nintendo in the past. (Pac-Man Vs. for example)
Konami is a complete blank where nobody is really sure what Sakurai will do. There are good arguments that could be made for Snake, Simon, both, or no Konami reps at all which at the very least makes for exciting bets!
foxuzamaki
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leave the poor boy alone
BassForever
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I mean we can never doubt either Nintendo or Sakurai's ability to pull something horribly obscure from out of nowhere or something no one would expect. Captain Falcon in Smash 64, Ice Climbers and Mr G&W in Melee, Rob in Brawl, WFT in Smash 4, and Takamaru in Nintendo Land. Rob in Brawl was probably the "most expected" of the lot if only because he had been playable in Mario Kart DS a few years earlier.
theprodigy
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Yeah, no
Tempo would be a good character. He's the star of the most notable non-Pokemon effort out of GameFreak in quite some time, and what was critically received as one of the best games on the eShop. Harmo Knight is a legitimately excellent game -- polished as hell at 60 fps in full 3D, and featuring an incredibly high skill ceiling (charging before striking each target, etc).
In terms of Smash, Tempo has a staff, he has dance moves, he has a cymbal-crashing mine-cart in which he could steamroll enemies like Wario on his motorcycle. His animations and sound effects could sync and harmonize with the music. The game world of Melodia is teeming with enemies, boss characters, NPCs and even unique plants that could constitute a wide array of stages, stage hazards, items and assist trophies. The characters Tappy, Woodwin, Lyra and Tyko alone could make for wonderful Assist Trophies, Final Smashes or even special moves integrated in similar fashion to Dedede with the Waddle Dees.
He absolutely could be done. Whether he will be done is unknown. I wouldn't bet on it. But he's hands-down more deserving than Dillon. Those games are janky as hell by comparison.
foxuzamaki
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What's funny is that Sakurai said he didn't know R.O.B. was in Mario Kart DS at the time of R.O.B. being added to Brawl.
Yeah, I really think ROB's Mario Kart DS appearance is irrelevant. His greater significance is as one of Nintendo's most peculiar and iconic accessories from the NES/Famicon era. He's a timeless relic of Nintendo's past.
Hope he's back in MK8.
BassForever
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Yeah, I really think ROB's Mario Kart DS appearance is irrelevant. His greater significance is as one of Nintendo's most peculiar and iconic accessories from the NES/Famicon era. He's a timeless relic of Nintendo's past.
I'm talking in terms of people predicting or expecting him to be playable, I among others we're as surprised because we had already done the "bwuh huh?" phase for Mario Kart DS. If you think the confusion/surprise was bad when he was confirmed/leaked in Brawl imagine how much worse it would have been without the Mario Kart DS appearance.
ROB's inclusion in Smash was sort of unprecedented in that it was the first Smash character who was better known for a physical toy than a digital character (although he did appear in his respective games, IIRC). Kind of like if the Virtual Boy were to become a Smash character, although not quite the same.
so....Aegislash for SSB4?
Aegislash pops out of Pokeball only to be picked up and wielded. Every character is now Gutts from Berserk.
It's like I'm surrounded by Kyubeys who all want to make a deal.
theprodigy
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foxuzamaki
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Plus he said that he would add Takamaru in the game if he made more appearance in other games, so he made three appearances so far. But again, Sakurai said that long long long time ago so he probably wouldn't remember that.
Yes, I would like to see that. THE FAMICON FOUR!!!!!
so I take it Aegislash hits Jigglypuff extra hard?
Instantly breaks her shield. Also, King's Shield replaces standard shield and anyone who hits it gets put in a staggered animation.
Troubled Bat
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Why are you so scared. :3
I'd be great if they did a 3 character reveal trailer and Little Mac was shown last.
Also, I've decided your new avatar will be the Little Mac vs my little pony one Heath so graciously found for you.
As much as I love Harmo Knight, they are Assist Trophy material
oreomunsta
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I don't understand the shared sentiment of Pac-Man getting in the game. That character has been stuck to the bottom of the gaming barrel (or bargain bins, if you prefer) ever since Namco gave him his third dimension and he really is not all that interesting. Putting him into Smash as a playable character would be terrible, sorry for the hate.
The best use I think Sakurai has for him is as an AT, where he encircles whatever platform he's summoned on as his 2D sprite and hurts players in the same way that the fire ball item did in Brawl. There are many more (and better, I'd argue) properties Sakurai can pluck some Namco representation from.
Well Pac-Man isn't a guarantee as Sakurai iterated that a character is chosen on the merits of whether or not he thinks they'll be interesting to play as and said that Namco developing the game doesn't mean a character from them gets in.
Unrelated, but I also find it interesting that Villager was planned for Brawl but was cut due to not being suited for battle, always thought he wasn't ever considered but apparently Sakurai decided to have another go at him.
Unrelated, but I also find it interesting that Villager was planned for Brawl but was cut due to not being suited for battle, always thought he wasn't ever considered but apparently Sakurai decided to have another go at him.
Lord_Byron28
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I'm torn about new characters for the Zelda series. There really isn't a spectacular selection to choose from. Only one I think they'd consider is Impa but she'd just end up a Sheik clone. Tingle deserves a slot but I think Nintendo killed him due to his unpopularity.
One cool idea around that would be to make the triforce trio all have transformations. Link could transform into Wolf Link/Midna. Ganondorf could transform into Ganon with the trident of power.
I doubt they'd do that but I think that even the trident of power would be a cool item for Smash Bros. When a person has it they could lob a powerful energy ball at an opponent and the opponent could hit it back if they are prepared and it can go back and forth getting stronger with each hit.
One cool idea around that would be to make the triforce trio all have transformations. Link could transform into Wolf Link/Midna. Ganondorf could transform into Ganon with the trident of power.
I doubt they'd do that but I think that even the trident of power would be a cool item for Smash Bros. When a person has it they could lob a powerful energy ball at an opponent and the opponent could hit it back if they are prepared and it can go back and forth getting stronger with each hit.
foxuzamaki
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ghiraheim or hwoever spell his name is a thing, so is vaati and demise
Zomba13
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Espurr for Smash!
Espurr is my favourite Pokémon of the new gen. S/hes seen some shit man.
oreomunsta
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Lord_Byron28
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You could apply that to Zant, Agahnim, Chancelor Cole, Yuga, etc but they are standoff villians likely exclusive to one game. The only exception to that is Vaati but he hasn't appeared in a game since 2005.
Shiek is also a one-off character, so I think as long as the character is added while they're relevant then they have a good shot of making it.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Little Mac goes to revival camp now.
True, but in a sense I still consider Little Mac a class NES era Nintendo character in the same way as Pit even though both had revivals.
oreomunsta
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But to be fair, Sheik is much more relevant since she is Zelda. The closest thing to that would be if Ganondorf's new final smash allowed him to turn into Demise.... Oh my, someone let Sakurai about this
That sounds terrible. Ganondorf doesn't just suddenly transform into Demise in any of the Zelda games.The closest thing to that would be if Ganondorf's new final smash allowed him to turn into Demise.... Oh my, someone let Sakurai about this
Masks Link would be the best Zelda addition.
It'd allow them to rep Young Link again (outside of Toon Link, I mean), and by allowing him to transform into his Deku, Goron and Zora forms, you'd represent three prominent races in the Zelda universe. It'd work like Pokémon Trainer and add a great deal of color and variety to the roster. Plus... His Final Smash would be Fierce Deity Link! Would also be nice foresight on their part, if they plan to release Majora's Mask 3D at some point.
Regarding Pac-Man... I believe he's in the game.
Shortly before E3, someone posted here on GAF a prediction that Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man, Little Mac, Mii and Pac-Man are in the game. As you know, Villager was confirmed, despite Sakurai having previously ruled him out, and not many people guessing him. And nobody guessed Wii Fit Trainer. The post was not edited, either. The time stamp shows it was made before E3, and not tweaked since.
In addition... When one media outlet interviewed Sakurai at E3, they asked about Pac-Man, and Sakurai coyly replied with a question of his own: "How would YOU implement Pac-Man?" And the interviewer -- maybe it was Richard George, with IGN at the time -- said he'd go the classic route with the black eyes, and for his Final Smash he'd power up and chase the others around the screen like classic Pac-Man. Sakurai agreed it was a good idea. The implication, it was said at the time, was Sakurai was already thinking along these lines.
The thing about Pac-Man is he's one of the most well-known videogame characters of all time. He's an ICON. The legacy factor alone justifies him. Aside from being one of the great-granddaddies of the arcade scene, right up there with Donkey Kong, Pac-Man has some quality offerings in the here and now -- the Championship Editions are excellent, and for Nintendo's part, he continues to star in the arcade Mario Karts, and previously headlined Pac-Man Vs., the darling of Miyamoto's eyes and the Nintendo game that would serve as a prototype for the WiiU's defining feature (asymmetric play).
Consider also that Pac-Man is the mascot of Namco, which is lending an unprecedented level of support to the development of this game. The stars are all in Pac-Man's favor.
What about his move-set potential? He can launch himself forward like a human cannonball. He can dribble himself like a basketball. He can chomp and chew enemies before spitting them back up. He can spit out pellets like watermelon seeds, or belch up ghosts. Best of all, he could tuck in his arms and legs and "wakka wakka wakka" through the air, moving like classic arcade Pac-Man. You could even alter his flight path by 90 degrees, making him go up, down, left and right -- altering his path mid-flight to pursue fleeing enemies.
There is PLENTY that could be done with Pac-Man. Trust me, if Sakurai could figure out a full move-set for Wii Fit Trainer (and he has), then he can easily devise a compelling move-set for one of gaming's most well-known and best-beloved mascots.
It'd allow them to rep Young Link again (outside of Toon Link, I mean), and by allowing him to transform into his Deku, Goron and Zora forms, you'd represent three prominent races in the Zelda universe. It'd work like Pokémon Trainer and add a great deal of color and variety to the roster. Plus... His Final Smash would be Fierce Deity Link! Would also be nice foresight on their part, if they plan to release Majora's Mask 3D at some point.
Regarding Pac-Man... I believe he's in the game.
Shortly before E3, someone posted here on GAF a prediction that Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man, Little Mac, Mii and Pac-Man are in the game. As you know, Villager was confirmed, despite Sakurai having previously ruled him out, and not many people guessing him. And nobody guessed Wii Fit Trainer. The post was not edited, either. The time stamp shows it was made before E3, and not tweaked since.
In addition... When one media outlet interviewed Sakurai at E3, they asked about Pac-Man, and Sakurai coyly replied with a question of his own: "How would YOU implement Pac-Man?" And the interviewer -- maybe it was Richard George, with IGN at the time -- said he'd go the classic route with the black eyes, and for his Final Smash he'd power up and chase the others around the screen like classic Pac-Man. Sakurai agreed it was a good idea. The implication, it was said at the time, was Sakurai was already thinking along these lines.
The thing about Pac-Man is he's one of the most well-known videogame characters of all time. He's an ICON. The legacy factor alone justifies him. Aside from being one of the great-granddaddies of the arcade scene, right up there with Donkey Kong, Pac-Man has some quality offerings in the here and now -- the Championship Editions are excellent, and for Nintendo's part, he continues to star in the arcade Mario Karts, and previously headlined Pac-Man Vs., the darling of Miyamoto's eyes and the Nintendo game that would serve as a prototype for the WiiU's defining feature (asymmetric play).
Consider also that Pac-Man is the mascot of Namco, which is lending an unprecedented level of support to the development of this game. The stars are all in Pac-Man's favor.
What about his move-set potential? He can launch himself forward like a human cannonball. He can dribble himself like a basketball. He can chomp and chew enemies before spitting them back up. He can spit out pellets like watermelon seeds, or belch up ghosts. Best of all, he could tuck in his arms and legs and "wakka wakka wakka" through the air, moving like classic arcade Pac-Man. You could even alter his flight path by 90 degrees, making him go up, down, left and right -- altering his path mid-flight to pursue fleeing enemies.
There is PLENTY that could be done with Pac-Man. Trust me, if Sakurai could figure out a full move-set for Wii Fit Trainer (and he has), then he can easily devise a compelling move-set for one of gaming's most well-known and best-beloved mascots.
Are you really challenging Pac-Man's legacy? Sure his newer outings may not be that popular, but does that matter? We've still got Star Fox who hasn't seen a new entry since Command. And it is highly unlikely Captain Falcon is getting cut, and there hasn't been a new F-Zero game since GX.
Sakurai already said he would choose Pac-Man out of any of Namco's IPs as a playable character, so you don't need to speculate what he has in mind for him as an AT.
I'm curious as to what Namco IP would be better and suitable for Smash, cause I can think of nothing.
EDIT: Also, I was saying that it was a rumor that mentioned it. I did not say in that post I think he is going to be in the game.
You think Ganondorf turning into Demise is better than him turning into Ganon? And I'm not talking about that stupid boar in Twilight Princess/Brawl (though at least that makes sense more than Demise). I'm talking about ALTTP/OoT Ganon.But to be fair, Sheik is much more relevant since she is Zelda. The closest thing to that would be if Ganondorf's new final smash allowed him to turn into Demise.... Oh my, someone let Sakurai about this
Just made the game better.
hey it's yoshi!