It already has. There's no way this is two seperate characters.
What was the original caption for this, btw?
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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It already has. There's no way this is two seperate characters.
What was the original caption for this, btw?
PorygonVandal
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Stage Hazard or boss, it can't be an Assist Trophy....
Why? Imagine if this guy appears on a moving platform? A platform that vanishes? Or on a Pilotwings Airplane? An Arwing?
Why? Imagine if this guy appears on a moving platform? A platform that vanishes? Or on a Pilotwings Airplane? An Arwing?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's not really disconfirmed, so I assumed that they might backtracked on the comment and preferred to announce the release date on Direct or so. Wait and See.
User 73706
Banned
Maybe a Boss Rush is Megaman's final smash?
Ha!
Speaking of Villager, he should have alternate skins/models. It looks like they're doing that with female and male Wii Fit Trainer.
Maybe the alternate Villager would be the girl seen alongside him on the cover of City Folk:
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
you imply Wii Fit Male and Female are two distinct characters.
I don't really care. This is how it comes off. This is how they come off. Is that my fault? No. Like I said, neither side is perfect. I remember the tales of Dylan Tnga of the Smash Boards and how he became the personification of them from years ago and that's about as far as I got involved.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Hope Sakurai will show tomorrow something great...it would be my perfect birthday present. x3
That's a fair point. The male and female Wii Fit Trainers are the same character, sharing the same name. That's why I think Villager is eligible for a model swap, in his case a female Villager. Same concept, same name, same character -- just a different gender.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Pretty much. I expect Villager to have male and female counterparts too. Hell they should even make Pokemon Trainer have male and female counterparts too.
lol
But yea, ever since[MM] 7, I've been a fan of him. I like anti-heroes and rivals. Proto is cooler (dat scarf!), but I'd take either. They all share the same proportions, so it wouldn't be too much work. The bones of the characters would fit just fine, at least.
I'm assuming WTFs will have seperate voice work.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Except for the part where they're distinctly two different characters.
I really like Sakurai's "do not turn characters into skin" approach.
I don't understand.
I'm saying they are the same character, sharing the same selectable space on the select screen.
Eh, I'm not sure it's as meaningful with Pokémon Trainer. The trainer just stands in the background, and most people affiliate the Kanto trio with (male) Red. He was the true final boss of Gold and Silver, after all!
The better way to implement a female trainer would be to make a newcomer with new Pokémon. A rival trainer for Red, if you would. As I said before, the female trainer from XY, with the XY starters, would be a nice parallel, since X and Y let you use starters from Gen I and Gen 6.
The original Pokémon Trainer would be rebranded "Pokémon Trainer Red" and feature Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard. The newcomer would be called "Pokémon Trainer Y" and feature Chespin (most popular first form), Braxien (most popular second form), and Greninja (most popular final form).
Each has unique features (Chespin's spines, Braxien's wand, Greninja's water shurikens and tongue), and each has a type advantage over its equivalent stage on Red's team. A perfect rival!
Yeah, this is likely. The male VA for Wii Fit Trainer isn't that prolific (he's pretty much an unknown) so I'm sure he'd jump at the role.
Holy shit, how did you guys not notice Pac-Man -- LOOK!
Sakurai, you sly bastard
Was bored, posted this in the Miiverse post
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yes. You're doing false equivalency though. Since them suddenly having it doesn't mean you can do stuff like "let's turn Wolf into Fox skin!"
It's Serena, so I guess that can work.
lol, I'm fairly certain that wouldn't be an issue either way
But at the end of the day, they both shoot with arm mounted Mega Busters. He doesn't need to have a unique move set. All he needs to do is look the part, i.e. X's skin for Zero in UMVC3.
EDIT - Why you tryin' to hurt my dreams, Doggie? Hmm!?
Apparently he's mostly a foley mixer and sound designer according to IMDB. The more you know.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Can't they just reuse his WF voice?
But Capcom has a tendency to be terrible at doing that and simply putting skins and shit. I mean, I seriously doubt "Jon Talbain" is properly represented by putting him as a skin of the freakin' Sun Goddess.
Hell, Megaman & Bass alone shows how different the two are. Bass is more of a stationary fighter, who is more agile but dies quickly, and merges with Treble than simply using it as a vehicle. I mean, sure Sakurai may do clones, but at least he treats them (most at least) as different characters.
But Capcom has a tendency to be terrible at doing that and simply putting skins and shit. I mean, I seriously doubt "Jon Talbain" is properly represented by putting him as a skin of the freakin' Sun Goddess.
Hell, Megaman & Bass alone shows how different the two are. Bass is more of a stationary fighter, who is more agile but dies quickly, and merges with Treble than simply using it as a vehicle. I mean, sure Sakurai may do clones, but at least he treats them (most at least) as different characters.
Like the "Daisy" skin of Peach or the "Shadow Link" skin of Link, but more detailed and a name change.
spyroflame0487
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I think it's reasonable to believe that the Villager will have an alternate skin for a female character. Seems something that would be relatively easy to add to the game. Hitboxes and everything would be identical (granted the Wii Fit male trainer is also the same)
They've done pretty alternate outifts before like Classic and regular Wario. each one had like 3-4 different colors for each "version", right? So there should be at least a Red/Blue/Green/Yellow/ Other color scheme for Male AND Female trainer right?
I'm actually surprised Sakurai hasn't shown off the alternate colors yet (or did he?) It'd be nice to see if they switch around any colors for characters/add in new ones.
They've done pretty alternate outifts before like Classic and regular Wario. each one had like 3-4 different colors for each "version", right? So there should be at least a Red/Blue/Green/Yellow/ Other color scheme for Male AND Female trainer right?
I'm actually surprised Sakurai hasn't shown off the alternate colors yet (or did he?) It'd be nice to see if they switch around any colors for characters/add in new ones.
I'd like to see a fully fleshed out Bass or Proto aswell. I'm not for an alt over an actual character, if that's what you thought. Give me a Mega Man & Bass Bass or Proto from 10 anyday over a simple reskin. I just doubt that much would happen, even more so than a skin since he's just a guest character.
Yep yep, that's what I was thinking.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I think you mean a homage via color palette then. And that stuff is pretty common in fighting games.
spyroflame0487
Member
Very much so. I'm a bit surprised we haven't seen at least a handful of veteran characters like Yoshi and Ice Climbers and Ganondorf.
Yoshi in particular I see them revealing soon in a direct or something for next year. It makes me feel like they're going to push a Year of Yoshi next year.
On one hand, its kind of nice to keep guessing whos gonna be next. On the other, I have to wonder if this means the game is much farther off than we think. Maybe its just Sakurai trolling us and releasing info very slowly but heck....I just want to see who else is coming back.
I think I may have posted in this thread or somewhere else, but I have a feeling we won't see more "new" characters like Villager and stuff. Just more confirmations of veterans.
Wii Fit Trainer and Villager having alternate gender models/skins would also further justify them being revealed first. After all, this allows Sakurai to introduce a "twist" to each character at a later date, so that they're still interesting by the time the game rolls around.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah but that was terrible since I will never accept X being good with swords, even if I consider X6 to exist. Color palettes are the less offensive method since it doesn't try to hide that the character is still not the "skin".
It already has. There's no way this is two seperate characters.
What was the original caption for this, btw?
1. We still don't know that he's not an assist trophy or some sort of special move.
2. He Fit Trainer is functionally identical to She Fit trainer. Bass and Proto Man function different than Mega Man, a closer comparison to MTrainer being an alt for FTrainer would be Female Villager or Dr. Mario - alternate versions of an identical character.
edit: here's his post from that day.
Yeah, I think we can rule out the notion that Yellow Devil is Mega Man's FS as it seems more like a hazard than a final smash at this point. I'd hope it would be a single player boss rather than a stage hazard, simply because dodging him could get old really really fast and I don't want a bad gimmick crippling the Dr. Wily's Castle stage.
Also just to throw my hat into the ring about Pac-Man, I think we've all established that he is an iconic character worthy of consideration for Smash, but that may not mean he becomes playable unless Sakurai can devise a moveset that captures Pac-Man's essence. For instance, in the past Sakurai said that Villager didn't make it into Brawl because he couldn't properly represent him, additionally Sakurai said the same about Mega Man where he wanted to make him different in Smash and rep the games more (he did this via Variable Weapons System) rather than just have Mega Man punch and kick like in Marvel Vs. Capcom. I think the difficulty of making a character like Pac-Man actually feel like Pac-Man out of the classic arcade games remains that character's biggest hurdle when it comes to potentially making it into the roster.
Also just to throw my hat into the ring about Pac-Man, I think we've all established that he is an iconic character worthy of consideration for Smash, but that may not mean he becomes playable unless Sakurai can devise a moveset that captures Pac-Man's essence. For instance, in the past Sakurai said that Villager didn't make it into Brawl because he couldn't properly represent him, additionally Sakurai said the same about Mega Man where he wanted to make him different in Smash and rep the games more (he did this via Variable Weapons System) rather than just have Mega Man punch and kick like in Marvel Vs. Capcom. I think the difficulty of making a character like Pac-Man actually feel like Pac-Man out of the classic arcade games remains that character's biggest hurdle when it comes to potentially making it into the roster.
I covered this ground already. I'm aware Bass and Proto function differently in their source titles from Mega Man.
That still doesn't change my desire to see at the least them as alternate skins. Again, using the way Capcom did X for Zero. I don't need them to play the same as they did in their games.
And I know nothing concrete has been said about WFT male. Fun to speculate though, isn't it?
I wasn't saying anything about your desire, I'm just saying that it ain't happenin'.
Speculation is the worst.
Some people would view that as a disrespect to another character.
Not saying all the time, sure X and Zero have the almost the exact same set off moves.
But sega probably wont be doing it with sonic or shadow. Some companies and people feel differently about their characters.
Shadow Hog
Member
Not gonna lie, the people whining about ponies are annoying me more than the ponies themselves are.
Moving on to something actually topical, though, I wonder if Yellow Devil is actually a stage hazard, or is just an Assist Trophy that Sakurai's only ever shown on the Mega Man stage, thus giving the impression that it's a stage hazard when it's really not.
Moving on to something actually topical, though, I wonder if Yellow Devil is actually a stage hazard, or is just an Assist Trophy that Sakurai's only ever shown on the Mega Man stage, thus giving the impression that it's a stage hazard when it's really not.
Polioliolio
Member
It's definitely a stage hazard, guys, similar to the hijinks that happen on the Pictochat level.
... Sakurai?
Yeah, gotta be a hazard because it would probably be hard to make it an assist on certain stages and it fits perfectly within the Mega Man stage's width. And not a FS because Mega Man doesn't have the FS glow.
Also not a boss because obviously there will be a Dr. Wily/Robotnik teamup boss in adventure mode with Sonic/MM boss mashup music.
Also not a boss because obviously there will be a Dr. Wily/Robotnik teamup boss in adventure mode with Sonic/MM boss mashup music.
Polioliolio
Member
Not every level has to be a plain old platform.
Looks like you could easily dodge it.. why can't it have a stage hazard and still be competitive? I think you guys might have been talking about this earlier.
I agree I wouldn't want it to happen often, but it should probably show up at least once or twice during a 10 minute fight.
SkullHydra
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I have a feeling it'll be similar to Dialga/Palkia/Cresselia in Brawl. Randomly appearing to perform one of a few different abilities before disappearing.
Agreed, atlhough I'm leaning towards Stage Hazard myself. :/ Or, maybe that's an Event Match?
Starphoenix
Member
Considering with Brawl, by this time, we were just NOW getting Fox after the initial E3 reveal, I think things are moving along rather quickly. Eighteen characters have been revealed so far, which is quite a substantial more than the 9-10 we knew about before the Ike reveal -- the latter of which was revealed a year after the initial E3 trailer.
What is it with third party stages having weird gimmicks? Shadow Moses Island has those destructible walls that make horizontal KOs difficult. Trying to KO others with Diddy Kong is awful there. Green Hill Zone has the destructible ground and the checkpoint pole, which is annoying to maneuver around. Both have walk-off edges, so they're a chain-grabber's paradise. And now Wily's Castle has the Yellow Devil to contend with. If Pac-Man is in, his stage will probably have the ghosts running around, causing mayhem. Can we please have a gimmick-less third party stage, Sakurai?