The most popular genres in the world today (MOBAs and FPS) both require precision control and movement. Either this makes m&kb the best form of control out there or...the biggest genres in the world miss the point. lol
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The most popular genres in the world today (MOBAs and FPS) both require precision control and movement. Either this makes m&kb the best form of control out there or...the biggest genres in the world miss the point. lol
i like video games and the diversity of them (｡◕‿◕｡
You've gone too far, throwing out preposterous statements like that
Not75Drops
Member
I can't even make out what this is supposed to mean.
FPS games can be fun without precision control, not everybody cares about super precision in order to be the best and get the best KD, yadda, yadda, yadda. When I play COD or any other shooter I usually try to use a controller rather than use mouse and keyboard.
MOBAs just aren't fun for me, and in my group of friends (all of whom spent the last 8 or so months playing only DOTA 2) everyone pretty much agrees that MOBAs aren't very fun, just addictive.
That being said, there are games like Civ and CoH that require mouse and keyboard and are really fun, but games that can be played with a controller are usually much more fun with a controller.
it's probably something against Nintendo, which is pretty shocking to read in this forum
Good to have that settled.
Now, what is art?
Right.
I mean, those poor people aren't even enjoying those games, right?
It's all some kind of sick ploy to waste people's time and get money, I bet.
Fixed the spoiler for me.
I'd be ok with that.
While it may not be controversial, it should be - because it isn't true.
All in all, the Mass Effects are kind of shit.
Yeah, it's so weird no one thought it would be a good idea to just basically burn like, what?, over a billion dollars in order to sell a paltry amount of consoles.
Davis_McGee
Member
You can count the number of good games released in this decade on the fingers of a blind butcher, primarily because "AAA" games and microtransactions are factory-produced shite that have all-but ruined the gaming scene.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
AlteredForms
Banned
Won't be surprised if Uncharted 4 sticks to these ethics. In my personal opinion, Naughty Dog is Sony's second best studio, after Media Molecule, who actually create original game concepts and implement them well.
I like you.
And even worse is the way the "gaming media" continues to vouch for this watered down, day-one DLC type garbage. Obviously many gaming "journalists" are just extensions of AAA PR departments, but it's still sad when you think about it.
I think I've posted on here before, but I'll throw a couple new ones.
3DS library isn't that great: Granted maybe it's my apathy towards JRPGs, but I really don't see the hype surrounding the library. It has it's share of good Nintendo games (and beats the Wii U badly in this repect), has some okay 3rd party games in Batman Origins: Blackgate, RE: Revelations, Kingdom Hearts and Castlevania: Lords of Shadow but honestly it still feels very shallow. Its lacking big time in a lot of genres imo, and i think would be very well served courting indie developers to put some more arcadey games on the platform. It has some (Nano Assault, Mighty Switch Force) but i think i needs way more than it has. It's VC is lacking as well (it would be so good if they sold SNES and GBA games at least).
The JRPGs i have tried on it have been a mixed bag to say the least. I like Fire Emblem: Awakening, and in general enjoy the series. Haven't tried SMT 4 or any of those games in general. But didn't care at all for Project X Zone (felt dumb and the battle system to me felt like an inferior version of fire emblem), and I hated Etrian Odyssey 4 (then again dungeon crawlers aren't really my thing). Monster Hunter is okay, but the lack of online loses a lot of its appeal to me (Don't have time to pour 100+ hours into a single player game with no story).
Overall, I haven't disliked the 3DS, but it's been kinda meh to me.
3DS library isn't that great: Granted maybe it's my apathy towards JRPGs, but I really don't see the hype surrounding the library. It has it's share of good Nintendo games (and beats the Wii U badly in this repect), has some okay 3rd party games in Batman Origins: Blackgate, RE: Revelations, Kingdom Hearts and Castlevania: Lords of Shadow but honestly it still feels very shallow. Its lacking big time in a lot of genres imo, and i think would be very well served courting indie developers to put some more arcadey games on the platform. It has some (Nano Assault, Mighty Switch Force) but i think i needs way more than it has. It's VC is lacking as well (it would be so good if they sold SNES and GBA games at least).
The JRPGs i have tried on it have been a mixed bag to say the least. I like Fire Emblem: Awakening, and in general enjoy the series. Haven't tried SMT 4 or any of those games in general. But didn't care at all for Project X Zone (felt dumb and the battle system to me felt like an inferior version of fire emblem), and I hated Etrian Odyssey 4 (then again dungeon crawlers aren't really my thing). Monster Hunter is okay, but the lack of online loses a lot of its appeal to me (Don't have time to pour 100+ hours into a single player game with no story).
Overall, I haven't disliked the 3DS, but it's been kinda meh to me.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Whoa now! Hold your horses! They craft some of the greatest stories ever told in gaming.
no sarcasm either, I know a lot of people on here can't figure out why sarcasm and what's not. Like that whole Drago thing. CMON people. Really? Unhappy birthday? WHO WOULD SAY THAT?
Eh, wasn't a reason MS got fucked over was that they were a higher price than PS2 and ended up having to eat a bigger subsidy on each console to lower price than they would've had if they followed their original plan? According to people who worked on it, the Xbox team was treated like they were separate from the rest of Microsoft and had more of a startup attitude, a good background for a group of people to make a console from, wouldn't you agree?
Hard to really argue against if i don't know what your definition of a good game is. But unless you have outrageous standards for a "good" game i bet i could name more than 10 (unless you're implying the blind butcher..well you know...)
TheWorthyEdge
Member
It's all based on opinion but with this one I agree with you. There is DEFINITLEY a lot of "good" games that came out of this gen.
Davis_McGee
Member
I do have pretty high standards, but I think most people are going to struggle to come up with 10 top-class games from the last four years, and almost all of those are going to be of the kickstarter/indie/not-even-remotely-related-to-a-major-studio type.
I'm being hyperbolic - my point wasn't that there aren't ten good games (there probably are - I don't play as much as I used to so tend not to find the real gems), it's rather that you'll struggle to name any games released this side of 2010 by a major studio that aren't in some way hugely flawed. Studios just don't produce quality games any more. Quality and artistry has fallen completely by the wayside in favour of unbridled prostitution.
shackdaddy836
Banned
Couple more:
- Gears of War is boring repetitive crap. MS's only franchise that's a little bit good is Halo and they seem to have fucked that up with 4.
- Uncharted 2 is the only half-decent Uncharted game and the series is boring and linear.
- Uncharted 3 did not look that great. Halo 4 looked better imo and I don't even like Halo. Even then, nothing on either console looked that great. I'm kinda baffled at people who were chatting up the PS3's and 360's graphics.
- WWII FPS games are awesome.
- CoD 4 wasn't that great and definitely wasn't the best in the series.
- People who try to defend their console are idiots. The company you're defending only gives a shit about you because you shell out $60 per game and $300-$500 for a console. Hell, MS and Sony aren't even dedicated gaming companies.
- Gears of War is boring repetitive crap. MS's only franchise that's a little bit good is Halo and they seem to have fucked that up with 4.
- Uncharted 2 is the only half-decent Uncharted game and the series is boring and linear.
- Uncharted 3 did not look that great. Halo 4 looked better imo and I don't even like Halo. Even then, nothing on either console looked that great. I'm kinda baffled at people who were chatting up the PS3's and 360's graphics.
- WWII FPS games are awesome.
- CoD 4 wasn't that great and definitely wasn't the best in the series.
- People who try to defend their console are idiots. The company you're defending only gives a shit about you because you shell out $60 per game and $300-$500 for a console. Hell, MS and Sony aren't even dedicated gaming companies.
I quite enjoyed having my OG XBOX at the time. Before long I had it modded to the gills and with a big hard drive. It was a central component of my entertainment center at the time. Even just for Ninja Gaiden/ Black it was worth it as a gaming console.(I never cared much for Halo, played lots with friends but never even bought it myself).
I was just saying that they seemed to spend a lot of money to establish the brand - and then they went on to burn through a shitload of money trying to get the 360 to be profitable.
Given that it's Microsoft we're talking about, it isn't weird that they did that. It would be weird for basically anyone else to do that though.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I hear hundreds of Japanese OST's all the time... western ones? not really.
I don't think this is controversial at all.
The One and Done
Member
Paintings, sculptures, literature, music, dance are some examples of art. Some Video games contain elements of art but by definition are not art in and of themselves.
KevMan1815
Member
Ni No Kuni was one of the most boring games I have ever played through.
What is it, in the definition of art, that precludes games being art?
I would not have any trouble naming 10 great games since late 2009. Most would be on the Wii and Wii U of course, maybe a couple on the PS360. And I would not even have to get into indy kickstarter games.
And obviously all games released -ever- are going to be flawed. What you consider deserving of the qualifier "hugely" is going to be different from other people's opinions.
theprodigy
Member
3DS has JRPGs besides Bravely Default?!?!?
(oh I guess Fire Emblem)
what is this even trying to say
I find MOBAs like DOTA and LOL play like the malformed child that would exist if Command and Conquer 4 raped Diablo 3. Like there's not even part of a good RTS or ARPG in them.
Diablo 3 is/was a flawed game but it's still more satisfying to play than Path of Exile and D3's skill system is way better than PoE's.
Call of Duty's mainstream success is the biggest con ever as it sells the ability for all to feel like an amazing soldier yet it's only the top 1% who get to have fun. The multiplayer is stacked so completely against the new or unskilled guys that is has actually become part of the game's marketing strategy whereby players are compelled to buy the new games just so they can earn the unlocks to dominate the fresh meat that comes in every year. Seriously if you thought hating FIFA/COD players was gaming elitism then you have no fucking idea what the current meta is like in COD.
Games need to return to the time where they could be completed in one sitting or at least they could do with a 'digest' mode where it just throws all of its key mechanics and ideas at the player without repartition so you can experience the meat of the game without having them drip fed to you over 10-20 hours.
You said controversial right?
Diablo 3 is/was a flawed game but it's still more satisfying to play than Path of Exile and D3's skill system is way better than PoE's.
Call of Duty's mainstream success is the biggest con ever as it sells the ability for all to feel like an amazing soldier yet it's only the top 1% who get to have fun. The multiplayer is stacked so completely against the new or unskilled guys that is has actually become part of the game's marketing strategy whereby players are compelled to buy the new games just so they can earn the unlocks to dominate the fresh meat that comes in every year. Seriously if you thought hating FIFA/COD players was gaming elitism then you have no fucking idea what the current meta is like in COD.
Games need to return to the time where they could be completed in one sitting or at least they could do with a 'digest' mode where it just throws all of its key mechanics and ideas at the player without repartition so you can experience the meat of the game without having them drip fed to you over 10-20 hours.
You said controversial right?
The One and Done
Member
Dih
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
3DS has JRPGs besides Bravely Default?!?!?
(oh I guess Fire Emblem)
what is this even trying to say
You missed the best ones:
Etrian Odyssey 4
Shin Megami Tensei 4
You'll thank me later if you play them.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Graphically they aren't, but damn they are fucking beautiful artistically. Kinda like Mario 3D World.
Ghost Trick in all it's 2D glory is more emotional, engrossing, memorable and features far superior gameplay than Beyond:Two Souls. It also does the whole 'spirit interacts with environment' scenario/mechanic better too.
Even as a currently PS4 only guy, I simply don't see what's so worth getting hyped about Infamous:Second Son. For the fans I can understand, but to outsiders like me, it just looks like a less fun take on the superhero genre than what Saints 4 did. I don't think it'll be a big seller, I don't think it'll get anything other than 'okay' reviews and I don't see it being a killer app of any sort for anyone outside of the initial fanbase.
As much as I love the Metal Gear series, (and I desperately, desperately do) if Kojima truly wants to, he should be allowed to retire it... or retire from it.... but if he want's to make more, which I'm totally fine with btw, he should take a break between titles to work on something different.
Even as a currently PS4 only guy, I simply don't see what's so worth getting hyped about Infamous:Second Son. For the fans I can understand, but to outsiders like me, it just looks like a less fun take on the superhero genre than what Saints 4 did. I don't think it'll be a big seller, I don't think it'll get anything other than 'okay' reviews and I don't see it being a killer app of any sort for anyone outside of the initial fanbase.
As much as I love the Metal Gear series, (and I desperately, desperately do) if Kojima truly wants to, he should be allowed to retire it... or retire from it.... but if he want's to make more, which I'm totally fine with btw, he should take a break between titles to work on something different.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
I might be reiterating some of these, but well:
-I don't like PC gaming, but have a library of PC games because Steam sales and GOG sales make it hard to resist owning should I ever change my mind. The reason is that I don't think KB/M lends its self to gameplay, at all. In fact, I have played Space Engine longer than my combined total of all other PC software. (Papers, Please is one of the best games of the year)
-Following on from that point, Valve games are not especially interesting. I also hate how a game like Half-Life 2 is "immersive" by not having traditional cut scenes, when it still won't let you progress while people are talking, the only difference is you can never skip it.
-I think Oni is Bungie's best game.
-Even if Mario games came to other platforms, I probably still wouldn't buy them until they were discounted, if at all, because Mario hasn't really been great since SNES.
-See also Zelda and Metroid.
-I think, for all its faults, the battle system in Final Fantasy XIII is the most tolerable the genre has ever seen.
-I would rather have a good 5 hour game than a padded, boring open world.
-Halo's lore is absolutely fantastic, but I find the games absolutely uninteresting.
-Zipper Interactive really had no reason to stay open after their past few games, even if Unit 13 is one of the Vita's underrated gems.
-I don't like PC gaming, but have a library of PC games because Steam sales and GOG sales make it hard to resist owning should I ever change my mind. The reason is that I don't think KB/M lends its self to gameplay, at all. In fact, I have played Space Engine longer than my combined total of all other PC software. (Papers, Please is one of the best games of the year)
-Following on from that point, Valve games are not especially interesting. I also hate how a game like Half-Life 2 is "immersive" by not having traditional cut scenes, when it still won't let you progress while people are talking, the only difference is you can never skip it.
-I think Oni is Bungie's best game.
-Even if Mario games came to other platforms, I probably still wouldn't buy them until they were discounted, if at all, because Mario hasn't really been great since SNES.
-See also Zelda and Metroid.
-I think, for all its faults, the battle system in Final Fantasy XIII is the most tolerable the genre has ever seen.
-I would rather have a good 5 hour game than a padded, boring open world.
-Halo's lore is absolutely fantastic, but I find the games absolutely uninteresting.
-Zipper Interactive really had no reason to stay open after their past few games, even if Unit 13 is one of the Vita's underrated gems.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Not controversial.. .was thinking that the first time I saw it. Then again I think most things Ubisoft works on are shit... except latest Rayman, that actually was fun
.Doctor_Thomas
Member
I'm hyped because inFamous 1 and 2 exist.
I'm convinced you have to be incredibly boring, socially awkward, severely depressed or have mild autism in order to enjoy Minecraft. This applies to some Mobas and MMOs too. I may have covered this in the past.
All free to play games are scams. They are all basically pay to win by design. Total bullshit. I hate them. Either use real money to progress or grind for an ungodly, unreasonable amount of time just to earn the most basic of items.
The DS4 is the better controller. And this is coming from someone who loves the 360 controller. The only major improvement on the Xbox One controller is the D-pad. The battery seems to last a long time, but there is currently no way to check how much charge it has left. I guess the sticks are better but I haven't noticed anything different. The bumpers are awful. They are too hard to press. Plus, the added resistance/ dead zone forces you to change your grip, which isn't comfortable at all. The DS4 is a massive improvement over the DS3 in slmost every single way. I only wish the Option and Share buttons protruded a bit more. Oh and the battery life sucks. Other than that, it's fantastic.
All free to play games are scams. They are all basically pay to win by design. Total bullshit. I hate them. Either use real money to progress or grind for an ungodly, unreasonable amount of time just to earn the most basic of items.
The DS4 is the better controller. And this is coming from someone who loves the 360 controller. The only major improvement on the Xbox One controller is the D-pad. The battery seems to last a long time, but there is currently no way to check how much charge it has left. I guess the sticks are better but I haven't noticed anything different. The bumpers are awful. They are too hard to press. Plus, the added resistance/ dead zone forces you to change your grip, which isn't comfortable at all. The DS4 is a massive improvement over the DS3 in slmost every single way. I only wish the Option and Share buttons protruded a bit more. Oh and the battery life sucks. Other than that, it's fantastic.
The One and Done
Member
Dude wtf...
- Halo CE is still the best fps ever made, By a huge margin. Although its kind of sad no other first person shooter has even come close to the gameplay mechanics of Halo. Every other developer have tried to but failed miserably
- Guerrila games are a one trick pony. Killzone 2 was a fluke from them and I very much doubt they are capable of delivering a good game with a compelling story. If the next Killzone game ends up being a mediocre experience just like shadow fall, then Sony should really consider cutting ties with Guerrila. It pains me to say that because I have been a loyal Killzone fan every since Guerrila was known as KIN back in the day. But one good title since 2004 is just unacceptable.
- Resogun is one of the best games ever made and should be sitting on 99 at Metacritict
- Warframe is great and is one of the better looking engines out there
- Flower is boring trash. Wtf is this?
- Jak 2 is naughty dogs best game. Followed closely by The last of us.
- PS4 controller is the best controller ever made. Its incredible.
- Guerrila games are a one trick pony. Killzone 2 was a fluke from them and I very much doubt they are capable of delivering a good game with a compelling story. If the next Killzone game ends up being a mediocre experience just like shadow fall, then Sony should really consider cutting ties with Guerrila. It pains me to say that because I have been a loyal Killzone fan every since Guerrila was known as KIN back in the day. But one good title since 2004 is just unacceptable.
- Resogun is one of the best games ever made and should be sitting on 99 at Metacritict
- Warframe is great and is one of the better looking engines out there
- Flower is boring trash. Wtf is this?
- Jak 2 is naughty dogs best game. Followed closely by The last of us.
- PS4 controller is the best controller ever made. Its incredible.
LightofRohan
Member
I love how this thread is so popular. It is everyones venting place. I like it.
It's like the screaming pillow. Instead of shouting it out to the world, you just yell about it in here. We need one of these for off-topic also...
It's like the screaming pillow. Instead of shouting it out to the world, you just yell about it in here. We need one of these for off-topic also...
Hey you said games aren't art. Yeah...tell that to every single artist who works in the industry. Tell them the work they make and bust their asses creating isn't art. Tell that to the writers and the musicians while you're at it too.
And yes, I know books aren't games. Don't be dense. They are examples, good ones too, why games are art.
The One and Done
Member
Why do you seem to believe that "games aren't art" is a negative thing. I think games are their own phenomena and shouldn't be pigeon holed into something as dull as "art". I think games can be beautiful, inspirational and thought provoking. Games cam also be simplistic and practical. Games cover a wide array of things and I think calling games art is actually a negative thing. Maybe we should think of a different word.
Now back to what you said about autism. My cousin has autism and what you said was extremely offensive.