Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!

I said the majority, not all of them. 23 of Brawl's 39 characters originated in games developed by Nintendo's first-party studios.


I don't have anything against second-party games in general, it's just that I think the only second-party series worth representing already have characters (Kirby, Pokémon, and Fire Emblem).

Fire Emblem is first party.
 
Except all the Pokemon, Sonic, Snake, Diddy Kong, Megaman...

And besides, it's not Sakurai who said he's leaving GAF if a second party character gets into Smash.

Don't take me being down on Mother seriously. I'm just playing the devil's advocate here to your bizarre Chibi-Robo! hate. Why does it irk you so much? Second parties have been a huge resource for Nintendo. Where would it be without ever acquiring Rare, without Retro, without Gamefreak?
Whatever the hell a second party studio exactly is (I believe Rare is a first-party studio, and I definitely know Retro Studios is a first-party studio), I believe HAL is one, just really close.
and what's your point
Do you need a map to show you were the points are?

I'm not sorry lol.
that was awful, and you should feel bad for saying it
I regret nothing.
I said the majority, not all of them. 23 of Brawl's 39 characters originated in games developed by Nintendo's first-party studios.


I don't have anything against second-party games in general, it's just that I think the only second-party series worth representing already have characters (Kirby, Pokémon, and Fire Emblem).
Well what about characters worth representing? It seems you're completely fixated on series as a whole when you should try and consider both series and characters.

But in the end, all of this discussion is pointless considering it is Sakura's calls and our opinions mean shit to him lol.
 
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great work as always. I'll take the green one plz.
 
I said the majority, not all of them. 23 of Brawl's 39 characters originated in games developed by Nintendo's internal studios.
And that's still a lot of characters from 2nd or 3rd parties who were let in anyway.

I don't have anything against second-party games in general, it's just that I think the only second-party series worth representing already have characters (Kirby, Pokémon, and Fire Emblem).
Why isn't Chibi-Robo! worth representing? It's a fun game that became a modest franchise.

Does it have to sell millions upon millions or be directed by our Kawaii Sugoii Miyamoto to be worth a damn?

Whatever the hell a second party studio exactly is (I believe Rare is a first-party studio, and I definitely know Retro Studios is a first-party studio), I believe HAL is one, just really close.
Second party is a term for development studios who are very-closely allied with or owned by Nintendo. It's an informal term and doesn't actually mean anything in legalese. Retro and Rare are considered second party studios.
 
You understand that the entire purpose of Smash Bros. is to celebrate Nintendo as a whole, right? Not Nintendo's best selling and most popular characters particularly--everything about it. Smash celebrates its mascot characters: Mario, Luigi, Peach, et cetera. Smash celebrates its star franchises: Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, et cetera. Smash celebrates its minor franchises: F-Zero, Mother, Fire Emblem, et cetera. Smash celebrates its past and retro works: Ice Climbers, Kid Icarus. Smash celebrates its hardware: Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B. Smash even celebrates the stars of other companies its had relations with: Sonic, Mega Man.

The whole thing is just a giant celebration. It's not a matter of relevance to our times or sales. This is why you should expect a character like Mii, which has been a huge face for Nintendo as a whole. This is why you should expect yet another retro character to be brought back with a new and intriguing take. Don't count out the small guys, my man. Especially don't try to predict Sakurai.

Sakurai has been pretty predictable and I doubt Roster is gonna be 40+ characters. We already have 19 right now and if there is gonna be retro Nintendo character , its only gonna be one of them.And good portion is gonna be returning characters with maybe one Fire Emblem and Pokemon changed out.

This isn't a celebration , this is marketing man.(Series like Custom Robo , Advance Wars , Golden Sun and etc never had a chance to a rep in the beginning.)

Expect one Retro character being like Little mac or someone else and rest being Newer Nintendo characters.(I am not counting third party characters.)
 
Contrary to popular belief, Nintendo doesn't own Intelligent Systems.

Then why are their headquarters in the Nintendo Kyoto Research Center?
Second party is a term for development studios who are very-closely allied with or owned by Nintendo. It's an informal term and doesn't actually mean anything in legalese. Retro and Rare are considered second party studios.
Nintendo outright bought Retro a few years ago.
 
Second party is a term for development studios who are very-closely allied with or owned by Nintendo. It's an informal term and doesn't actually mean anything in legalese. Retro and Rare are considered second party studios.
Retro and Rare are both first-party studios. Nintendo owns Retro and Microsoft owns Rare. A second-party would be something like Camelot or HAL Laboratory.
 
Sakurai has been pretty predictable and I doubt Roster is gonna be 40+ characters. We already have 19 right now and if there is gonna be retro Nintendo character , its only gonna be one of them.And good portion is gonna be returning characters with maybe one Fire Emblem and Pokemon changed out.

This isn't a celebration , this is marketing man.(Series like Custom Robo , Advance Wars , Golden Sun and etc never had a chance to a rep in the beginning.)

Expect one Retro character being like Little mac or someone else and rest being Newer Nintendo characters.(I am not counting third party characters.)

Smh, you didn't read the quote from Sakurai did you.
 
Then why are their headquarters in the Nintendo Kyoto Research Center?
Because they work very closely with Nintendo. They're still independently owned and operated, though. Nintendo's quarterly reports (I think that's what I'm talking about) include a list of all internal studios, and Intelligent Systems is not included.
 
Sakurai has been pretty predictable and I doubt Roster is gonna be 40+ characters. We already have 19 right now and if there is gonna be retro Nintendo character , its only gonna be one of them.And good portion is gonna be returning characters with maybe one Fire Emblem and Pokemon changed out.

This isn't a celebration , this is marketing man.(Series like Custom Robo , Advance Wars , Golden Sun and etc never had a chance to a rep in the beginning.)

Expect one Retro character being like Little mac or someone else and rest being Newer Nintendo characters.(I am not counting third party characters.)

My favorite AAA Nintendo game is Ice Climbers. Man, everyone knows them!
 
Poncho squid looks amazing.

I didn't realize that excluded them from being a second party studio.

So second party means "independent studio that isn't owned by Nintendo but works with them consistently."

Being owned by Nintendo outright makes them first party. To be second party they have to be independent, like GameFreak.
 
Sakurai has been pretty predictable and I doubt Roster is gonna be 40+ characters

We know four newcomers so unless there's a bunch of cuts there will be 40+ easily. Brawl had 35 selectable characters and more if you count stuff like PT as three characters.
 
I am talking retro characters that don't already have rep in game.Basically newcomers in series that Nintendo don't make games for anymore.Man we haven't seen one old Newcomer yet.
Would Little Mac count, even though he had a revival game on the Wii?
 
SmashGAF fine print:

The Nintendo celebration argument is only valid when talking about Nintendo characters. It is void when talking about Snake.
 
I Would love to play as chibi robo. His super could just show
that scene where the daughter is crying while her parents fight
in color negative for freaky effect and every ones percent just rolls up.

I'm fully aware it's a stupid idea
 
I am talking retro characters that don't already have rep in game.Basically newcomers in series that Nintendo don't make games for anymore.Man we haven't seen one old Newcomer yet.

The only one shown for Brawl during the prerelease period was Pit, who was announced alongside 5 other characters. They'll show up in due time.
 
Npw it's time...for a list of characters that WON'T be in the game.
Your list is pretty safe and then you go an extra mile by adding "probably" in most cases.

But we can be sure that any anime character has no chance and no Kingdom Hearts, maybe Final Fantasy but it will be similar to Snake's case. Geno is not as popular as Sonic, so getting the rights to use him in Smash is not something Sakurai will want to go through. But Sakurai knows how to surprise people and we don't know what is the process to add characters.

I just want Lyn, I believed and it didn't end well :(
 
Why does no one in this thread actually refer to any of Sakurai's interview to determine how he views characters and what he wants to do? It fucking baffles the mind.
 
Best friend requests take priority over Ridley and Little Mac.

Especially Little Mac.

Things will be changing....

Kojima left the toilet seat up at their last slumber party.
 
Sakurai has been pretty predictable and I doubt Roster is gonna be 40+ characters. We already have 19 right now and if there is gonna be retro Nintendo character , its only gonna be one of them.And good portion is gonna be returning characters with maybe one Fire Emblem and Pokemon changed out.

This isn't a celebration , this is marketing man.(Series like Custom Robo , Advance Wars , Golden Sun and etc never had a chance to a rep in the beginning.)

Expect one Retro character being like Little mac or someone else and rest being Newer Nintendo characters.(I am not counting third party characters.)

Hahaha, you must be new to the Study of Sakurai scene.

You know 2 retros appeared in Melee and 2 more appeared in Brawl? Patterns are stupid but there is a precedent showing that your absolute statements are laughable.

Takamaru, Mach Rider, Sakupon, and Sherif are just as reasonable as the other Retros and more than one is absolutely possible.
 
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