Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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Red Arremer
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Is that black/blue dragon in the second row Charizard's, as well? I know the far right in the same row is.
Yeah. I think him and Mewtwo are the only two with different megas between x and y.
User 73706
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I could see it happening. Something like Sylveon would be an interesting way to break the bipedal mold and fit the format of "where the hell is Sakurai getting this stuff."
Not to mention Sylveon has a pretty vast movepool and all sorts of weird ways to attack: Fairy moves, ribbons for holds, etc.
Red Arremer
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Interesting that they seem to like Charizard the most out of the Gen 1 starters' final evolutions.
Choppasmith
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I just remembered how around the initial announcement/trailer I said Sakurai should reveal the characters like Capcom had done with their games and I just realized that's what he's doing.
Also, at first i didn't quite get why Sakurai said he was going to dump the SSE from Brawl because the cutscenes would just lose their impact after being uploaded to the internet. After the Rosalina trailer though, I totally get what he's going for now and really can't wait to see more hopefully. Also hoping if there are secret characters they can get a little cutscene too. Kinda like Toon Link, Jigglypuff, and Wolf in Brawl. But not quite as "lazy".
Also, at first i didn't quite get why Sakurai said he was going to dump the SSE from Brawl because the cutscenes would just lose their impact after being uploaded to the internet. After the Rosalina trailer though, I totally get what he's going for now and really can't wait to see more hopefully. Also hoping if there are secret characters they can get a little cutscene too. Kinda like Toon Link, Jigglypuff, and Wolf in Brawl. But not quite as "lazy".
All Sylveon has going for it is that it's new. It's no more noteworthy than the seven other Eeveelutions. You couldn't include one without the others.
Sylveon does have the benefit of the flesh-ribbons.
No, that's not a joke -- unlike the other Eeveelutions, the flesh-ribbons allow Sylveon to actually manipulate items, etc. Similar to Ivysaur and his vines.
A Link to the Past
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I don't get the prediction that a Zelda newcomer could only be Toon Zelda. Tingle may not be a shoo-in, but there's perfectly good justification for his inclusion.
So I came upon that demo fight at E3, and the game definitely looks quite a bit faster than Brawl. Yes, I know Sakurai confirmed as such (again, thank you Jason Schrier (?) for not being a useless game journalist like all the others) but it's still nice to see confirmation. Youtube videos can be misleading, but I compared it to footage of Brawl, which still does look like molasses in Winter. Dare I say SSB4 looks as fast as Melee, even? :O
I think you put too much stock in Zoroark. In a sense I could see Mega forms for Mewtwo/Charizard/Lucario being the "newcomers".
Yea, I can see this being the big push for Smash x Pokemon. Mega Evolution's.
I doubt it'll reach the speed of Melee, IIRC Sakurai says he's aiming for a balance between it and Brawl. What I've seen is very encouraging.
Pokéball appearance. It adds a mariachi flavor to the song currently playing, a la Yoshi's drums.
Yea, there's quite a few missing. They could still be in it. We know very little about it at the moment.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
So does everyone agree that Takamaru is the most likely retro newcomer?
Sir Ilpalazzo
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Is that another, different Mewtwo avatar?
ArchedThunder
Banned
If Mewtwo comes back and they only give him one Mega I hope it is X, that way he can kick people in the head.
Do 3rd party characters count?
Black-Wind
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Sylveon does have the benefit of the flesh-ribbons.
No, that's not a joke -- unlike the other Eeveelutions, the flesh-ribbons allow Sylveon to actually manipulate items, etc. Similar to Ivysaur and his vines.
Also has the benefit of ...
Being the first Eevee evol without a counter-part to hold it down. They normally come in pairs but this is the only new evol this gen.
Being the face of the newest "discovered" Pokemon type.
Being the face of the biggest new feature in the series (Pokemon Amie)
The most marketed Gen 6 Pokemon (from what I can see at least.)
Not sure what's gonna happen with Pokemon this time around. Sure, there's no "Gen 6 Lucario" Pokemon ... but people seem to forget that EVERY gen has at least 1 Pokemon that reps it as a gen from a marketing stand point. Be it Pichu for 2nd gen (Breeding and Baby Pokemon intro)/ P&M for the 3rd (double battles)/ Lucario or w-e. And just as it's the most marketed 6th gen Pokemon there are also other Pokemon that are marketing other features.
So yeah, IDK what it will be. They could just make Lucario "Mega Lucario" (None of this FS non-sense, just outright make Mega Lucario the default) or just bring in "Mega Blaziken" and call it a day. Or they could actually use a new Pokemon from the 6th gen ... which I would bet would be this Eevee evol. Or they could do any combination of that. Or they could just give PT a Mega Char. Who knows.
theprodigy
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Sylveon does have the benefit of the flesh-ribbons.
No, that's not a joke -- unlike the other Eeveelutions, the flesh-ribbons allow Sylveon to actually manipulate items, etc. Similar to Ivysaur and his vines.
And?
Ivysaur isn't even a standalone character, and there would be 7 other Eevveelutions to put in the game with it since it can't be by itself
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
No Pac-Men allowed!
You have a good eye, sir.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
ArchedThunder
Banned
Introduce Magnus from Kid Icarus Uprising and make Ganondorf a clone of him.
Mega Evolutions are a much bigger deal than Pokémon-Amie.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I don't think the Mega Mewtwos will actually play a major role in the film, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they're just placeholders on the poster and have very minor roles, as Xerneas and Yveltal, and probably Diancie when it's revealed in Feburary, will be the main focus. Also they're probably doing a Two Movie Version deal like the Victini movie, and the Mewtwo Forms will probably be "exclusive" to the different cuts, with X in one and Y in the other.
This isn't really new, a lot of Pokemon Movies often play up Pokemon who get minor roles when the film comes out...Movie 8 featured Ho-Oh in early trailers, it turned out to just be Mew using Transform; Movie 9 advertised Kyogre, but he only appeared at the very end in a cameo; Movie 11 advertised Regigigas, he was just a Deux Ex Machina that appeared at the end, and so on. Really it's the title Legendaries who will get the most focus.
But I do think Mewtwo being in the previous Movie is the big reason, since that was when Smash 4 was probably really in development in terms of characters. Same reason I'm thinking Genesect has a chance (or will at least appear as possibly a boss) as he was being promoted a lot. Sylveon as well, although I don't really want her playable. :/
This isn't really new, a lot of Pokemon Movies often play up Pokemon who get minor roles when the film comes out...Movie 8 featured Ho-Oh in early trailers, it turned out to just be Mew using Transform; Movie 9 advertised Kyogre, but he only appeared at the very end in a cameo; Movie 11 advertised Regigigas, he was just a Deux Ex Machina that appeared at the end, and so on. Really it's the title Legendaries who will get the most focus.
But I do think Mewtwo being in the previous Movie is the big reason, since that was when Smash 4 was probably really in development in terms of characters. Same reason I'm thinking Genesect has a chance (or will at least appear as possibly a boss) as he was being promoted a lot. Sylveon as well, although I don't really want her playable. :/
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Sylveon would fulfill the mid-range fighting style. She can use all dem feelers for whips and her throw-damage involves snuggling one to death.
Ugh, same. Do not want Blaziken at all, at least not without its
Black-Wind
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That seems logically incorrect.
There are only 20 something to 30 mega Pokemon so far, the only things that change are their appearance, stats and (sometimes) abilities/ types. No new moves to balance, no new Poke-dex info needed, nothing but a good boost to Pokemon that people like.
Pokemon Amie is a feature that requires them to go to EVERY SINGLE POKEMON in the history of the games and give them more animations. Meaning you have to have happy, sad, mad and so on expressions and animations for every Pokemon. Not to mention the work that has to go into figuring out just HOW one would or should pet all these Pokemon.
And on-top of it it's the most common sense feature many fans would want for a monster raising and battling/ collecting game.
No matter how you toss it, Pokemon-Amie has to have had more effort required for it's completion than Mega-evols.
ArchedThunder
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Amie is a minigame side thing, Mega Evolution is the next "big" game play mechanic.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
The only other Gen VI Pokemon I could see Sakurai including is Dedenne as basically the Toon Link to Pichu's Kid Link, a new clone of Pikachu that's move diverse. He'd also be the smallest character for novelty.
EDIT: Plus Dedenne is damn cute.
EDIT: Plus Dedenne is damn cute.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Only if they announced Snake.
Although that's the reason for using the quote, that's not the reference.
Hint: I guess for this specIal occasion, you can call him a regular old criminal
I never said Mega Evolutions required more effort, just that they're a bigger deal. Pokémon Trainer definitely required more effort than any other character in Brawl, but I wouldn't call him the face of that game. There's a difference.
More than anything else, Mega Evolutions were pushed significantly leading up to the release of X/Y. People went crazy for those announcements. They're probably the first thing that comes to mind when I think of Pokémon X/Y.
Black-Wind
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There's more parts that make up the Pokemon "whole" than just battling.
Which is why I pointed out how " No matter how you toss it, Pokemon-Amie has to have had more effort required for it's completion than these Mega-evols."
They wouldn't have done Pokemon-Amie if it weren't important to them, the games and the players. Many of which are, ya know, kids who enjoy the concept of playing with Pokemon more than hard-core PvP battles.
Slime?
I literally just edited my post after remembering that the Enix merger was a thing.
I do understand that the Slime is the mascot of the series and everything, but they really can't do better than that?
That's incorrect, because Aime is a function in X/Y, which uses newly created polygonal models for each Pokemon. Everything has been created from scratch in the first place, and I'm sure they rigged universal animations for each Pokemon's models. Something you can't do with hand drawn sprite-work.
Also, Aime isn't as big of a deal as a form changing, stat altering power-up, something Pokemon has never featured until Gen 6.