Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments

Random question time~!

Has anyone else fundamentally changed their desires on what they'd like to see in terms of characters/stages/content since before the E3 reveal and now?

I used to have a sorta generic list of characters I wanted, but everything we know and have seen from SSB4 has made me fundamentally change not just my expectations but wants as well.

Curious if I'm alone in this.

My wishlist has remained the same. My expectations change based off of new information, but Rosalina and Luma doesn't make me dislike the idea of Ashley and Red.
 
BELIEVE!

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I BELIEVE!
 
Ignore the awful compression — here are all of the attacks/animations shown for Zelda that are from Brawl (also, again, some of the angles/frames are off):

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I just recalled that my friends and I were joking about new tech where the players could grab other players' legs if the player were holding the edge. Sometime you would able to spam the button to break the grip loose and dragging the opponent down to the black void.

Ignore the awful compression — here are all of the attacks/animations shown for Zelda that are from Brawl (also, again, some of the angles/frames are off):

Nice job! I really like the comparison. Also I would like to mention that I really like Zelda's facial expression way better than Brawl.
 
It's been a while, so I decided to make a few more rough comparisons. I would have made more if I had the time and dexterity, but I am short on both at the moment.

I always like to see your work, and nice done. It's always fun to see the difference between Brawl and Wii U. I can see that characters are way better with facial expressions and so.
 
It's been a while, so I decided to make a few more rough comparisons. I would have made more if I had the time and dexterity, but I am short on both at the moment.

When you get time to do more of these in the future I have to admit I'd like to see more comparisons of Fox I think.

That shot of him attacking Marth made me realise he's maybe more different between versions than I thought.
 
So, now that we know Farore’s Wind and Din’s Fire are returning, the potential Phantom special move would have to replace Nayru’s Love (this would be incredibly random) or the Sheik transformation.

What if the Sheik transformation is now triggered by a taunt?

It's been a while, so I decided to make a few more rough comparisons. I would have made more if I had the time and dexterity, but I am short on both at the moment.

You should post this in the 1080p screenshot thread for all the people who are saying it's just the Brawl models upresed.
 
Sometimes I think the Duck Hunt Dog is more likely than Ridley. Other times I think Ridley is more likely than Batman.
 
Never realized how good Sonic looks in SSB4, also Fox's boots can fuck off.

Sonic's mouth and hair look weird and terrible in Brawl.

What if the Sheik transformation is now triggered by a taunt?

I really hope so. I would like that if Pokemon Trainer, Sheik and Zelda would able to get their 4th moveset. If they can do that with Zero Suit Samus then I'm pretty sure that they can do same thing for those characters.
 
It's been a while, so I decided to make a few more rough comparisons. I would have made more if I had the time and dexterity, but I am short on both at the moment.

wow, so much effort! This really drives home again how expressive the characters are here compared to Brawl. It's amazing how much of a difference it makes.
 
Random question time~!

Has anyone else fundamentally changed their desires on what they'd like to see in terms of characters/stages/content since before the E3 reveal and now?

I used to have a sorta generic list of characters I wanted, but everything we know and have seen from SSB4 has made me fundamentally change not just my expectations but wants as well.

Curious if I'm alone in this.

I'm pretty much still on track with my original pre-E3 character want list. The only big things that have changed in recent times is that I've had a massive turn around on who I thought I wanted to be a new Mario series newcomer (Rosalina is just too hype, sorry Daisy), some "reduced expectations" in terms of Sakurai pushing the envelope adding three different "team up" styles of characters between the Ice Climbers, a hypothetical Chrom and Lucina and another hypothetical team up in Isa and Katchi from Sin and Punishment: Star Successor (which damn well deserves a rep at least), and a really big desire to see Anna as the third Fire Emblem rep now. She has the longevity to get her a senior spot and I'd absolutely love a real trickster gameplay style on top of her ability to pretty much free wheel between either weaponry or magic. She would also would make for another cool female rep.

I've also become 100% cool/excited for the idea of Pac-Man being in the game andhave greatly diminshed hype for Issac (Golden Sun) making it in.
 
New Rumor. I really like it how leakers decided it's time for making up more rumors lately.

New leak!

Yes, I am a new account. Big thing.

I work directly with Sakurai. He discuss with me characters designs, and I help him to clean up the roster. He initially wanted the game to have 60 characters, but I helped him to cut that to 49. Some of the characters we had to cut were Nintendog, that I explained him that would cause problems at the western. Well, let's see... Let's start, may we?

The Mario series is settled. Sakurai already started discussion rooms if we may or may not add other rep to the series, but only in a later game.

The Zelda series will get as a playable character Tingle. It will be revealed in next E3. He will have a moveset based on items used on the Wind Waker games, and on rupees.

The Pokémon series will get Mewtwo as a returning veteran, and will have Pokémon trainer's Squirtle and Ivysaur cut. Charizard will be revealed within a random date, and Mewtwo will be revealed at the end of E3 smash trailer. Lucario is back.

The Starfox series won't change, even though Krystal will appear as an Assist Trophy.

Donkey Kong series will get a new rep, King K. Rool. Diddy Kong will be revealed in February 13th, following the release date pattern. K.Rool will be a secret character.

Ridley will appear as an Stage Hazard. Zero Suit Samus is back as never.

Kid Icarus got Palutena as an starting character and Hades as an secret character. Palutena will be revealed in a direct.

Chrom is now with Fire Emblem as an starting character, and Marth stays a secret one. Ike was cut. Chrom will be announced along at E3.

Talking with 3rd parties, as Nintendo hasn't got many support in 2014, the reps are going to be Sonic, Snake and Mega Man. Snake only stays for already having a moveset ready, that will be basically control C'ed from Brawl. He will be one of the two characters without a cartoonish look.

Meta Knight will be nerfed to stay at middle tier.

All Final Smashes but Samus's and Bowser's were changed.

Instead if Stickers now there are stamps. 200 stamps are within the game, from all represented series.

Lucas and Ness are back. Lucas will be revealed at April 20th, Mother 3's anniversary. Ness will be unlockable.

All retro characters are back too, and Takamaru joined the brawl. He has many shuriken based moves. Ice Climbers will be revealed at a random date, and all others will be secret.

Wii Fit Trainer isn't the oddball character if this game. Sakurai added the Sandbag as an starting character. It is a very unique and interesting character. Sandbag will be the next newcomer, revealed January 31st, Brawls anniversary.

Ganondorf is still a clone. He will be secretl

Sheik is still a Zelda transformation. Sheik will be revealed on an June Nintendo Direct that hypes Zelda Wii U at E3.

Captain Falcon is back too, as Wario. Wario will be revealed March 21st, three days before Mario Kart 8 release. Cpt. Falcon will be secret.

Sakurai discussed with me the addition of a Primid character, but after some discussion, her left the idea.

Paper Mario will be a newcomer. He will represent his own series. He has a unique moveset, and was added because of his unique potential. He will be revealed in August, and will be the last revealed newcomer.

The game will come out in early September.

Little Mac will be a secret character.

Mii will be revealed at May, on a Nintendo Direct.

That makes 46 characters. The other 3 are kept in secret for everyone but Sakurai and his main designer. However the rumors I heard here is that they are Dillon, Isaac and another oddball character.

There will be several new modes and features.

More coming soon, if anything happens in the planning I may warn you.

And later...

Oops, forgot Olimar.

The cuts are: Squirtle, Ivysaur, Ike.

Any questions please PM me. I might not be able to post so much messages...

Some answers:

Tiers are not a secret world between yourselves. Sakurai has a team just to check what words people are using.

Sandbag was added because Sakurai.

He wanted initially Nintencat, than he changed it to Nintendog, then we scrapped him. Character we would use are Shulk and Lip. Sakurai is a very strange man. He insisted on adding Groose, but I decided Tingle would satisfy him and wouldn't put the Fanbase in fire. Seriously, they should hire someone else.

Naturally, anyone who claims to work directly with Sakurai is full of crap, but at least he's trying to seem legit by throwing a few awkward English phrasings in there. He also dated himself with the Sandbag tidbit, so we'll find out soon enough anyhow.
 
Cutting Squirtle and Ivysaur

Not gonna happen but I'd believe it. fucken game freak and their charizard bias hmph

edit: this entire rumor smells of bullshit, especially the part about every final smash being changed other than Samus' and Bowsers
 
"I work directly with Sakurai. He discuss with me characters designs, and I help him to clean up the roster."

These people aren't even trying any more.
 
New Rumor. I really like it how leakers decided it's time for making up more rumors lately.

holy crap, that's how he starts the rumor off? work directly with sakurai? who honestly is gonna believe him? especially when he somehow is the one who convinced sakurai to cut the roster down to 49 lol
 
holy crap, that's how he starts the rumor off? work directly with sakurai? who honestly is gonna believe him? especially when he somehow is the one who convinced sakurai to cut the roster down to 49 lol

That was why it was instantly discreditable to me as well. Works with Sakurai? He was the person who convinced him to cut down the roster?

A.), that is a load of shit and rather egotistical 'leaker', but B.), if he really did do that then anyone who is working on Smash that read the rumor would know who it was that leaked it immediately and you can bet his ass would be fired.
 
I guess its expected though, after the whole Brawl leak fiasco, and the surprise that -gasp- one of the people leaking things was actually legit. People trying to ride that wave, for whatever reason. I'm also thinking more 'leaks' have happened recently because all of the character reveals recently have people excited again.
 
Sakurai also hates toast.
 
Obviously ultra fake, but it just occurred to me for the first time that Tingle would actually be a hilarious character to troll people with

Man I can't wait for more newcomers!
 
Obviously ultra fake, but it just occurred to me for the first time that Tingle would actually be a hilarious character to troll people with

Man I can't wait for more newcomers!

Just imagining him floating around with that balloon already pisses me off.
 
Hello Everyone, I am Iwata.

Super Smash Bros for WiiU/3DS has been delayed indefinitely due to Sakurai-san's arm injury.

Please understand.
 
Obviously ultra fake, but it just occurred to me for the first time that Tingle would actually be a hilarious character to troll people with

Man I can't wait for more newcomers!
I can see it now. A Challenger Approaches screen pops up with a Triforce and a silhouette of what looks like Vaati. Afoni and I start losing our minds. It then announces Tingle who was wearing a disguise.

ಠ_ಠ
 
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