Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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I think a larger problem with Dark Samus is while she looks cool and has a lot of potential for moves, she doesn't really have enough of a personality to overcome her similarities with Samus. In fact, she doesn't really have a personality at all.
She would be a pretty boring addition I think, outside of her moveset.
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LOL
She would be a pretty boring addition I think, outside of her moveset.
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LOL
I would rage because Anthony is way more likable. Fuck Adam.
Better than all these Mario , DK , Kirby and Pokemon characters that Sakurai seems to fill the roster with.
Donkey and Diddy is filling the roster with DK characters?
Yeah man, I hate all those visually distinct characters.
Technically Mario can be considered a DK character.
Then it's a good thing Ashley got deconfirmed.
OK aside from torturing any Ashley fans watching, I will say that I think the Kirby series has been "cleaned out" for the most part in terms of Smash reps. Mario and DK (don't see why 2 reps is an issue for DK...) have quite a few choices left and I would say there are two really good ones from both of those IP. Pokemon though is a treasure trove of characters to pick from. Sakurai could put 10 Pokemon characters in the game and I'm sure they'd all be incredibly unique and fun fighters. Pichu and Lucario aside the series hasn't really strayed too far from gen 1 representation so it would be fun what unexpected Pokemon could be put in the game.
Shadow Hog
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I wish we knew more about Smash 4's soundtrack.
I swear I listened to the Dojo's 30-second sample clips over and over and over. Particularly liked MGS4's "Theme of Love" sample, as I recall.
I swear I listened to the Dojo's 30-second sample clips over and over and over. Particularly liked MGS4's "Theme of Love" sample, as I recall.
C.Olimar788
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But this is a fighting game, and a fighting game starring Nintendo characters at that. Does a character really need an in-depth personality for that purpose? Her amazing moveset potential should be more than enough to consider her as a potential character. I don't see anyone complaining that Link or Mario don't have enough personality to justify their spaces on the roster, after all.
Also note that I don't actually particularly want Dark Samus, at least not before Ridley who deserves the spot considerably more.
GiantBreadbug
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I know I listened to that "Go, K.K. Rider!" sample probably a million times.
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
He confessed that he made up the rumors. Hilarious that it did stirred up a lot of people, but I already knew he's fake since there is no way that Namco-Bandai would allow people to playing the demo without Nintendo's permissions.
Nocturnowl
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Yoshi is an animal buddy, why else would he below DK and Diddy in Brawls menu?
MAtgS
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Sadly, he IS the most plausible 2nd rep.
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Deleted member 231381
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No way, the Biologic Space Laboratories research station is waaaay too big to be playable.
Even Anthony has more potential to bring something new to the table. (Giant Plasma cannon)
Unless Adam's fighting style revolves around denying authorization.
theprodigy
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his neutral B disables a single move of a character it hits, chosen at random
People should really read up on what an NDA is before they take any of these seriously.
Actually I take back what I said about Kirby being out of characters. There are a few good ideas, just not "obvious" ones like Meta Knight and Dedede were. Granted at this point Sakurai might be done with adding Kirby characters but personally speaking I think there is some potential with these characters if Sakurai decided to get creative and "reinvent" some of them like he has done in the past for a few Smash Bros. characters.
First up is this version of Waddle Dee also known as Bandana Dee. This fellow was one of the four playable characters in Kirby's Return to Dreamland and has also made other appearances in the series in a supporting role. I think there are some cool things that could be pulled from him, but Dedede's implementation of his minions similar to Peach's use of Toad makes me a bit wary of his inclusion.
Next up is Lololo and Lalala who are probably known for being a boss in the Kirby series, but actually originated from an earlier HAL series called Eggerland Mystery. I'm not sure how they would be made into a fighter since they primarily push boxes around, and furthermore there are already plenty of "team" characters around which makes their status as a duo less unique.
Last up is Gooey. His biggest problem is that his only major role in the series was in Dreamland 3, (though he did appear in Dreamland 2) but I think his character design is interesting nonetheless. He is essentially a giant ball of goo that unlike Kirby, ingests enemies with his long tongue. I'm not sure how he'd work in a game like Smash Bros. and I also think he might be a bit too similar to Kirby and Yoshi's eating mechanics for his own good.
First up is this version of Waddle Dee also known as Bandana Dee. This fellow was one of the four playable characters in Kirby's Return to Dreamland and has also made other appearances in the series in a supporting role. I think there are some cool things that could be pulled from him, but Dedede's implementation of his minions similar to Peach's use of Toad makes me a bit wary of his inclusion.
Next up is Lololo and Lalala who are probably known for being a boss in the Kirby series, but actually originated from an earlier HAL series called Eggerland Mystery. I'm not sure how they would be made into a fighter since they primarily push boxes around, and furthermore there are already plenty of "team" characters around which makes their status as a duo less unique.
Last up is Gooey. His biggest problem is that his only major role in the series was in Dreamland 3, (though he did appear in Dreamland 2) but I think his character design is interesting nonetheless. He is essentially a giant ball of goo that unlike Kirby, ingests enemies with his long tongue. I'm not sure how he'd work in a game like Smash Bros. and I also think he might be a bit too similar to Kirby and Yoshi's eating mechanics for his own good.
Shadow Hog
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Listening to the samples again, for the helluvit. I totally don't recall the "Ice Climbers" piece! I guess I didn't play on the stage anywhere near enough. It's definitely in the game, though, given full rips of it are on YouTube, so...
It would be awful.
All of his B attacks are the same move, but if it lands on somebody, it disables the corresponding B move for that player (like, if you input Up+B, then characters couldn't use their recovery moves). One per character, wears off after a set time period (5 seconds?).
It would be awful.
Adam to be ragequit-tier.
Seriously. If anything, I expect a legit leak to not say how they got the source, because doing so would narrow down the list of people who leaked it and put the leaker at risk.
Completely skipped my mind, but yeah he could be interesting as well. Kind of like Paper Mario where he would be able to distort his shape during moves.
Mario : Mario , Luigi , Peach , Bowser , Rosalina , Yoshi and Wario.
Pokemon : Pikachu , Jigglypuff , Pokemon Trainer , Lucario and maybe Mewtwo might come back.
Kirby : Kirby , King Dedede and Metaknight.
DK : Donkey Kong , Diddy kong and potentially Dixie Kong.
Funky Kong is only DK rep that should be playable besides Donkey Kong , lame that game needs Donkey Kong's little buddies.
Not to mention that you can consider Mario DK and DK Mario as they exist in same universe.
All of those are distinct characters who play uniquely in Smash Bros. from popular series which carry a high level of Nintendo pedigree.
What's the issue with that?
It's Conun's shtick to complain about that.
Sakurai was going to put him in, but he was going to be a Mario clone, which Sakurai felt was not the treatment Wario should get, so he put Dr. Mario instead.
IntelliHeath had a post with a bunch of information on the development of SSB64 and Melee.
BassForever
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Hind sight I'm surprised Wario wasn't playable in melee, by that point he was well established in his own canon of games
Bowser and Peach were a priority, and Sakurai probably didn't want 3 of the game's 8 newcomers (before clones) to be from the Mario universe.
Many iconic, popular, and well known characters originate from coincidentally some of the highest selling franchises Nintendo has. Did people really not expect a series like Mario to get much more reps than something like Metroid or Star Fox? Unless we're ready to debate why Peach, Dedede, and Mewtwo don't belong in Smash Bros. then I'll just say that people should think this through before making crazy assertions. Sakurai has already done a splendid job of "balancing" how many characters each series gets, it is nothing like Injustice where the Batman franchise got roughly 1/3 of the overall cast. Yes, Batman is very popular and probably warrants more characters than the others, but there is a fine line to it that I think Smash Bros. handles much better.
Red Arremer
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That scene and how Diddy dragged off Fox, then later Falco in the same fashion made my day.
I like the duality of this phrase.
When beefing up the roster Sakurai considered Wario as the Mario clone instead of Doc, but didn't think it would do Wario justice and scrapped that idea. And rightfully so.
Why him? He's an absolutely non-important character in any of the games he appears in. Dixie started out as a main character (DKC2), was the lead character in the sequel to that (DKC3), is going to be one in the upcoming game (DKC:TF), and has also made appearances beyond that.
What are you talking about? Being a shopkeeper is more important than having major roles in Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country 2, Diddy Kong Racing, Donkey Kong 64, and Donkey Kong Country Returns combined.
Technically Mario can be considered a DK character.
I have always found the argument of " this character can't get in because spin off" weird, since the entire identity of Nintendo, or at least a very large part of it. IS BUILT ON A SPIN OF TO A SERIES OF ARCADE GAMES.
Mario kart isn't a spin off, its a spin off of a spin off if you wanna be really real. I'm not mad at horizon at wanting ashley, when something not only does well for itself separates it from its OG IP and even takes over the identity of a character, that is when the term spin off is not suitable.
/Spin off rant
Why do they have to be from the most shelled out series? Why can't they be from series that haven't ruined themselves over the years like Mario , DK , Kirby and Pokemon.
There is Advance Wars/Battalion Wars , Joy Mech Fight , Mach Rider , Custom Robo and etc.
It is easy to create way more interesting movesets with them than all of the characters confirmed because of lame "core" Nintendo series crap.
BassForever
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Dk > diddy > dixie > k rool
That is the DK pecking order, maybe cranky kong can get in before K rool but anyone else from the DK franchise isn't worth discussing
That is the DK pecking order, maybe cranky kong can get in before K rool but anyone else from the DK franchise isn't worth discussing
Nocturnowl
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I like how these four series have thrown out some of the very best games within their respective series in the years between Brawl and this game.
The implication of K rool being anywhere near the pecking order at this point
Ignoring Funky Kong got into mario kart and dixie didn't .
Stop trying to make Krool happen.
Its not. Just.. just stop.
He would totally be top tier on a motorcycle.
Anyway I was joking around about funky kong.
...and you think Mario, DK and Kirby have all gone to shit? You've got some crazy fringe opinions.
None of those series (for the few that are still alive that you've listed) have many if any iconic characters and are more or less lying in stasis. It's a much different situation, since you're going to find a lot fewer people capable of recognizing Ray Mk II than King Dedede.
Plus we've only gotten one confirmed newcomer for any of those series. You're six years late to be upset about Dedede and Diddy.
Red Arremer
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Funky only got into MKWii before Dixie because Dixie isn't fat.
Nah son, wasn't cool enough to hang.
I know, right? I threw my Wii out of my bedroom window after playing five minutes of that Super Mario Galaxy disaster. Don't get me started on Galaxy 2 or 3D World.
Green Mamba
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I don't know if anyone should ever being using the rosters of Mario Kart as a measure for anything. I mean... Baby Daisy. Come on.
EDIT: The extent of the Wario franchises' representation in Mario Kart seems to consist entirely of a character that doesn't originate nor appear in Wario games.
I might be reading things wrong. what?
Oh' i'm not, I'm being silly.( Dry bowser should be an alternate though ).