True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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Acidote said:
I just watched the episode:

The owl in the church. That fucking owl, why did nobody address it. It bugged me through the whole scene.
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The owl is probably not what it seems.

And that wraps up my Twin Peaks reference of the day. I'm pretty sure the owl will return in some way or another, though.
 
Africa[edit]

Among the Kikuyu of Kenya it was believed that owls were harbingers of death. If one saw an owl or heard its hoot, someone was going to die. In general, owls are viewed as harbingers of bad luck, ill health, or death. The belief is widespread even today.[30]

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In the culture of the Uto-Aztec tribe, the Hopi, taboos surround owls, which are associated with sorcery and other evils. The Aztecs and Maya, along with other Natives of Mesoamerica, considered the owl a symbol of death and destruction. In fact, the Aztec god of death, Mictlantecuhtli, was often depicted with owls. There is an old saying in Mexico that is still in use:[31] Cuando el tecolote canta, el indio muere ("When the owl cries/sings, the Indian dies"). The Popol Vuh, a Mayan religious text, describes owls as messengers of Xibalba (the Mayan "Place of Fright").[32] The belief that owls are messengers and harbingers of the dark powers is also found among the Hočągara (Winnebago) of Wisconsin.[33] When in earlier days the Hočągara committed the sin of killing enemies while they were within the sanctuary of the chief's lodge, an owl appeared and spoke to them in the voice of a human, saying, "From now on the Hočągara will have no luck." This marked the beginning of the decline of their tribe.[34] An owl appeared to Glory of the Morning, the only female chief of the Hočąk nation, and uttered her name. Soon afterwards she died.[35][36] People often allude to the reputation of owls as bearers of supernatural danger when they tell misbehaving children, "the owls will get you."[37] Also, in the native Cherokee culture, as well as many other Native American cultures, owls are a very bad omen. It is said that if you are outside in the broad day light and an owl flies over your head a family member or loved one would die within the coming week.

Middle East[edit]

In Arab mythology, owls are seen as bad omens.[38]

Hinduism[edit]

In Hinduism, an owl is the vahana, mount, of Goddess Lakshmi.

The modern West generally associates owls with wisdom. This link goes back at least as far as Ancient Greece, where Athens, noted for art and scholarship, and Athena, Athens' patron goddess and the goddess of wisdom, had the owl as a symbol.[39] Marija Gimbutas traces veneration of the owl as a goddess, among other birds, to the culture of Old Europe, long pre-dating Indo-European cultures.[40]
T. F. Thiselton-Dyer in his Folk-lore of Shakespeare says that "from the earliest period it has been considered a bird of ill-omen, and Pliny tells us how, on one occasion, even Rome itself underwent a lustration, because one of them strayed into the Capitol. He represents it also as a funereal bird, a monster of the night, the very abomination of human kind. Virgil describes its death-howl from the top of the temple by night, a circumstance introduced as a precursor of Dido's death. Ovid, too, constantly speaks of this bird's presence as an evil omen; and indeed the same notions respecting it may be found among the writings of most of the ancient poets."[41] A list of "omens drear" in John Keats' Hyperion includes the "gloom-bird's hated screech."[42] Pliny the Elder reports that owl's eggs were commonly used as a hangover cure.[43]
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Let's think on owls.
 
This is probably my favorite show right now. It's just so beautifully shot and Woody and McConaughey are great together. Are they just onboard for a one season deal? I want more than one season of Rust and Marty.
 
Revolver said:
This is probably my favorite show right now. It's just so beautifully shot and Woody and McConaughey are great together. Are they just onboard for a one season deal? I want more than one season of Rust and Marty.
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They're only doing one season. There will be a new cast and a new story next time.
 
Finished the second episode last night, and wow, the locations that they shoot (that last one in particular) are just incredible. Scouting and planning those shots must take a long, long time. Show is going to clean up awards next season for just about everyone.
 
Cornballer said:
They're only doing one season. There will be a new cast and a new story next time.
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Nic Pizzolatto did say that it's not 100% set in stone though. The idea is that every season would be a new setting, a new mystery, and someone doing some sort of detective work, but if the actors want to continue, he can write the stories that way too. He said he could write Cohle forever, but it's up to the actors.

Or maybe they could do something like what American Horror Story does, where there are recurring cast members playing completely different roles.
 
duckroll said:
Nic Pizzolatto did say that it's not 100% set in stone though. The idea is that every season would be a new setting, a new mystery, and someone doing some sort of detective work, but if the actors want to continue, he can write the stories that way too. He said he could write Cohle forever, but it's up to the actors.

Or maybe they could do something like what American Horror Story does, where there are recurring cast members playing completely different roles.
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I don't think Matt or Woody would be up for another total season. Seems like the shoot was pretty grueling. But maybe they could make an appearance in an episode next season, playing the same character? Creating a loose universe of sorts.
 
duckroll said:
Nic Pizzolatto did say that it's not 100% set in stone though. The idea is that every season would be a new setting, a new mystery, and someone doing some sort of detective work, but if the actors want to continue, he can write the stories that way too. He said he could write Cohle forever, but it's up to the actors.

Or maybe they could do something like what American Horror Story does, where there are recurring cast members playing completely different roles.
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I'm sure there is going to be a period where they go and see how well the show is received overall.

I'd love to see these two continue as actors in the show, but probably wouldn't stop watching it if there was a new cast. Provided it keeps up the quality it is delivering right now.
 
duckroll said:
Nic Pizzolatto did say that it's not 100% set in stone though. The idea is that every season would be a new setting, a new mystery, and someone doing some sort of detective work, but if the actors want to continue, he can write the stories that way too. He said he could write Cohle forever, but it's up to the actors.
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Sure, it's within the realm of possibility, and we probably won't know for sure until they release the new cast for next season. But given all of the quotes from the actors, Pizzolatto, Lombardo @ HBO, etc.. about it being a refresh before next season, I don't think it'll happen. Pizzolatto says stuff like this and I assume he's just being gracious about having the opportunity to work with them: "People have asked about them coming back and I just have to say I think that would completely depend upon our actors, and if they wanted to I would of course jump on board."
Or maybe they could do something like what American Horror Story does, where there are recurring cast members playing completely different roles.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if a few of the supporting characters came back in different roles.
 
I saw that MM and Woody are both producers too. That should at least put those worrying about them getting a good cast for future seasons at ease.
 
duckroll said:
Nic Pizzolatto did say that it's not 100% set in stone though. The idea is that every season would be a new setting, a new mystery, and someone doing some sort of detective work, but if the actors want to continue, he can write the stories that way too. He said he could write Cohle forever, but it's up to the actors.

Or maybe they could do something like what American Horror Story does, where there are recurring cast members playing completely different roles.
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This is great news! Thanks for sharing.

Yes, Cohle needs to stay. He's so great, I don't see how they can just drop him.

He really is a modern American Sherlock Holmes.

Food for thought: would they continue with him telling stories from his past or would they bring it to present day and let old Cohle take over?
 
Cornballer said:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if a few of the supporting characters came back in different roles.
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Yes, absolutely, HBO loves to keep around their regular actors in those supporting roles.

Its fun to see the actors from the old HBO shows that you liked come back in the new HBO shows too.
 
JCreasy said:
This is great news! Thanks for sharing.

Yes, Cohle needs to stay. He's so great, I don't see how they can just drop him.

He really is a modern American Sherlock Holmes.

Food for thought: would they continue with him telling stories from his past or would they bring it to present day and let old Cohle take over?
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Cohle's character arc is to make peace with his daughtor's death. His story ends this season.

Can't imagine MM has time to make another TV show anyway. He had 2 Oscar worthy performance in 2013. He is going to be super busy going forward.
 
JCreasy said:
This is great news! Thanks for sharing.

Yes, Cohle needs to stay. He's so great, I don't see how they can just drop him.

He really is a modern American Sherlock Holmes.

Food for thought: would they continue with him telling stories from his past or would they bring it to present day and let old Cohle take over?
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I don't think he'll stick around... he's pushing 50s at the least, and he is just so burnt out.

But I'm assuming we get a moment later on, where the old Rust emerges in 2012, gets a shave and a haircut, kicks the booze, and solves his last case, for real this time.

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Probably not.
 
Didn't see it answered but back when the first episode started what were the dates they showed in 2012 for both interviews?

I feel like that is a clue as to who they really suspect or who might turn out to be the killer or new copycat killer.
 
effzee said:
Didn't see it answered but back when the first episode started what were the dates they showed in 2012 for both interviews?

I feel like that is a clue as to who they really suspect or who might turn out to be the killer or new copycat killer.
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Posters in here have mentioned that Cohle went before Hart, but I didn't go back to check the exact dates.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I don't think he'll stick around... he's pushing 50s at the least, and he is just so burnt out.

But I'm assuming we get a moment later on, where the old Rust emerges in 2012, gets a shave and a haircut, kicks the booze, and solves his last case, for real this time.

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Probably not.
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No way, Keep "Milwaukee's Best or Lone Star. Nothing snooty." Rust and have him solve mysteries.
 
Love this show. So good. Don't like the two detectives interviewing Rust and Marty. So fake those two. You know they're hiding suspicion of one or both those guys. Something's up.
 
First ep was great. Second ep was really meh in comparison (apart from a "couple" of things I liked *snort* heheh). I'm not ready to christen this GOAT yet, but it isn't season 8 of Dexter bad or anything.
 
I always assumed Marty has ambitions that Rust doesn't. I think Rust is happy investigating murder cases as a detective. Marty even mentions that Rust has a real mind for these types of cases. It has to be some sort of fascination Rust has because he has boxes of books about the subject.

So why does this benefit Marty? First of all, he is the lead detective. Basically that means he takes the bulk of credit for closing the case. Secondly, this is a career case. Breaking this case will open up opportunities for Marty advancing his career. Marty understands people. He realizes the need to advocate for Rust around the barracks because he needs Rust to break this case.

Remember the exchange Marty had with the commanding officer in episode one. Marty describes the scene and scope of the case. The commanding officer inquires about Rust. Marty replies by saying Rust is aloof but the real man for the case. Then he insists they are both kept on the case. It's obviously a career play, which is why I think Marty is willing to support Rust despite the risk of a possible stain on his reputation.

That conflict also explains the fallout if Rust somehow called into question Marty's reputation.
 
ZaCH3000 said:
I always assumed Marty has ambitions that Rust doesn't. I think Rust is happy investigating murder cases as a detective. Marty even mentions that Rust has a real mind for these types of cases. It has to be some sort of fascination Rust has because he has boxes of books about the subject.

So why does this benefit Marty? First of all, he is the lead detective. Basically that means he takes the bulk of credit for closing the case. Secondly, this is a career case. Breaking this case will open up opportunities for Marty advancing his career. Marty understands people. He realizes the need to advocate for Rust around the barracks because he needs Rust to break this case.

Remember the exchange Marty had with the commanding officer in episode one. Marty describes the scene and scope of the case. The commanding officer inquires about Rust. Marty replies by saying Rust is aloof but the real man for the case. Then he insists they are both kept on the case. It's obviously a career play, which is why I think Marty is willing to support Rust despite the risk of a possible stain on his reputation.

That conflict also explains the fallout if Rust somehow called into question Marty's reputation.
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I agree.

As deplorable as it is, murder is fascinating. I'd be more happy investigating these cases than I would playing career politics. Being a detective is one of the few things that genuinely sound interesting to me, that I would want to do.

xtrasauce said:
Have you heard something?
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Just read a few interviews where they noted the massive scope of the project. It's basically like shooting four films back-to-back with no rest. They all note how difficult it was.

Hopefully, they become more efficient in the future.
 
Cornballer said:
A few people involved have noted that it was a difficult process given how much they took on. Lots of pages to shoot per day, not a lot of rest at times, etc...
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Two episodes equal roughly one film. It takes a lot of stamina, time and dedication to work on a project series like this.
 
Deku Tree said:
Put me down for one who says we haven't seen the killer(s) yet.
Whomever they caught is going to be somewhat surprising I imagine considering they are saving that info for later for some reason.
Regarding the promo for next week:
was that possibly the killer walking around with what looked like a chain saw in the promo?
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My personal guess is that religious councilman who came in to their offices to check on the case or whatever right after they found the body in the first episode. Just a wild guess though seeing as he was a moderately recognizable actor with barely a 5 second part, and the murder obviously had some religious undertones.

- Glad GAF saw that damn owl too,haha. Was totally waiting for it to be mentioned or show it flying off or something.

- Had no idea the birds Rusty was looking at formed the rune on the dead girls back. Blown away, good eye, ya'll.

- Also didn't know the Yellow King stuff was a reference to a real work.

This show is even deeper than I thought. Love it, love the dialogue, the look of it, and yeah...Daddario, goddamn..,
 
MisterNugNug said:
Two episodes equal roughly one film. It takes a lot of stamina, time and dedication to work on a project series like this.
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Right. Here are the two quotes that come to mind:
Indiewire Interview with Fukunaga said:
Is there a possibility of a second season, and would you be involved?

Yeah, I don’t think HBO would have done it, if not for the possibility of a second season, but I’m not part of it. I’ll continue as an executive producer, but I don’t want to continue in the daily showrunner kinda way—it’s too much. When you shoot episodically you stop and you prep the next episode, but we didn't have scripts for the last 2 episodes when we started and we didn’t have schedules or anything, we knew basically when we would have it finished by, but that was it.

So there’s 300-and-something locations in the film and hundreds of speaking roles. Each location has to be vetted multiple times, then you need to bring department heads there to tech scout it. So we were basically shooting and prepping at the same time the last two months of the shoot which meant we had full shooting days—12 to 14 hours—plus four more at lunch or during shooting, scouting with the crew or doing castings or doing something related to the post-production that was happening at the same time… editing during weekends…

I was lucky I had a really great team, a tireless AD, tireless department heads. Actually not tireless, everyone was exhausted, but people had great endurance. Still, I don’t think anyone got to end and was like, "I can’t wait to start the next one!” I think everyone was proud of the work we did and the show is going to be great but it definitely took its toll on everyone involved. It’s an impossible amount.
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Quotes from TCA said:
While Harrelson has previous TV experience mainly as character Woody Boyd on the sitcom Cheers, McConaughey, a career film actor, found it hard at first to adjust to television's pace.

"One day we did 29 pages (of script)," McConaughey said. "That was the biggest mountain I've ever had to deal with. I said to Woody, 'If we get into this, we gotta just dance.' We went in, sat down. And we did it in one day."
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I wonder how they can efficiently make Season 2 so it doesn't take such a massive toll on the creators, crew, and actors. I know that Banshee is a super-efficient drama (read an article on its efficiency), but it's such a different type of show, that we can't really compare the two.

Let's say that Season 2 premieres next January. I wonder how they're gonna adapt to do it. I assume Pizzalato will be writing all eight scripts again, but they're definitely gonna get a new director. Multiple directors? Crews? But it did seem like Pizzalato was not a fan of that.
 
kirblar said:
I don't think this show has a prayer of coming out on a yearly schedule.
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I think it is possible, but it'd be difficult. I have to assume that Pizzalato is already at work on scripts since scripts for the last two eps weren't even done when they started shooting. Maybe we won't get a January start date though.

I hope they continue to shoot on film. Digital's fine, but there is something neat about shooting on film.
 
Sounds like it took a toll on Pizzolatto, too:
LA Times interview said:
Befitting a man who created McConaughey's morbidly poetic Rustin Cohle, Pizzolatto acknowledges being drawn "to people with extremes" and may have more than a whiff of it himself. He recalled that during the writing of "True Detective," his wife returned from a weekend with her mother to find him passed out on the floor, "shirtless and surrounded by empty whiskey bottles." (He clarified later that he didn't write while drinking; he had just "bombed out" the last few scripts in succession and was releasing steam.)
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He seems kinda nutty, but I can't tell how much of that is showmanship.
 
Caught it on demand last night because of the football game Sunday night.

Great ep; just continues my hopes for the series. Really have very few complaints so far. To nit-pick, I hope the hallucinations don't get too crazy or prominent.

Also.....that girl. Amazing.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Let's say that Season 2 premieres next January.
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Zero chance of that happening. As of this month, Pizzolatto said that he has "ideas" about what the next season could be about, but nothing concrete. The show has not been renewed by HBO, and there is no casting and director(s) on board. Let's say it gets renewed tomorrow and they start that process. They won't be able to start shooting for several months. They would have to get the crew together, start location scouting, build sets, etc. Principal photography would take 4-5 months. Another 6 months for post-production.

I don't see another season of True Detective starting before Fall 2015 earliest.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Just read a few interviews where they noted the massive scope of the project. It's basically like shooting four films back-to-back with no rest. They all note how difficult it was.

Hopefully, they become more efficient in the future.
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Damn, I didn't realize. Come to think of it, most shows have a bigger stable of regulars that they can rotate through on any given episode. With True Detective, it's pretty much the Woody and McCon show for dat full HBO hour.
 
duckroll said:
Zero chance of that happening. As of this month, Pizzolatto said that he has "ideas" about what the next season could be about, but nothing concrete. The show has not been renewed by HBO, and there is no casting and director(s) on board. Let's say it gets renewed tomorrow and they start that process. They won't be able to start shooting for several months. They would have to get the crew together, start location scouting, build sets, etc. Principal photography would take 4-5 months. Another 6 months for post-production.

I don't see another season of True Detective starting before Fall 2015 earliest.
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:(
 
duckroll said:
Zero chance of that happening. As of this month, Pizzolatto said that he has "ideas" about what the next season could be about, but nothing concrete. The show has not been renewed by HBO, and there is no casting and director(s) on board. Let's say it gets renewed tomorrow and they start that process. They won't be able to start shooting for several months. They would have to get the crew together, start location scouting, build sets, etc. Principal photography would take 4-5 months. Another 6 months for post-production.

I don't see another season of True Detective starting before Fall 2015 earliest.
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This show has to win multiple awards to draw the creator and a couple more great actors to join the 2nd season.
 
tino said:
This show has to win multiple awards to draw the creator and a couple more great actors to join the 2nd season.
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The show is already getting a ton of buzz, and McConaughey is getting praised by everyone. I'm sure actors are already taking notice.
 
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