Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments

Just saw it at Smashboards

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Fiktion said:
The Translator leak poster said that his list was not complete.
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I checked and I don't see anything in his original post. Where did he said that he's not finished with the roster?

The Translator Leak (1/10/14)

Claims:
Rosalina is the only Mario newcomer.
Waluigi and Toad were at once considered, but Waluigi remains an Assist Trophy, and Toad a move for Peach. (There is no way of proving this information)
Bowser Junior, Paper Mario and Daisy were never considered. Bowser Junior was planned to be an Assist Trophy, but was scrapped. (There is no way of proving this information)
Fawful is a new Mario Assist Trophy. He acts like Mr. Resetti, but will attack opponents at random.
The Hammer Brother Assist Trophy has been scrapped.
Diddy Kong will be the next revealed veteran, to coincide with Tropical Freeze’s release date.
Diddy is paired with Dixie Kong as a tag-team, similar to Zelda and Sheik. Dixie has a separate moveset from Diddy, but it’s still being worked on. (There is no way of proving this information)
King K. Rool is a newcomer, the heaviest character on the roster. He is powerful and can KO light characters with 2 good Smash Attacks. His final smash has him use the blunderbuss and fire cannonballs from the top of the screen while they fly in from the sides as well.
Gangplank Galleon is a stage.
There is a new Zelda character, although it’s kept a secret so far. The names heard most often are Tingle and Ghirahim. (There is no way of proving this information.)
Ganondorf will be buffed, although he still retains some of C. Falcon’s moves. He can equip a sword using his Down Special.
Chrom is a Fire Emblem necomer. He wields the Falchion, and does not replace Ike.
Chrom is expected to be revealed to celebrate the anniversary of the first Fire Emblem.
Lyn’s Assist Trophy from Brawl has been scrapped.
King Gangrel and Aversa are the new Fire Emblem Assist Trophy. Gangrel runs around slicing with his sword, while Aversa flies above using Aversa’s Night.
No newcomers for Yoshi or Wario.
Wario’s overalls are now his default attire.
The Kat & Ana Assist Trophy has been scrapped.
Ashley from WarioWare is a new Assist Trophy. (On Januray 15th, 2014, Sakurai revealed Ashley as an Assist Trophy)
Ridley is a newcomer, and is scaled down a bit. It was a major feat on the development team.
No new Star Fox characters.
Falco is farther away from being a Fox clone.
Wolf is no longer a semi-clone.
Villager has a female costume.
Mr. Resetti returns as an Assist Trophy.
Tom Nook is a new Assist Trophy. He apparently drops bells across the stage, which causes opponents to trip. (Due to Sakurai saying tripping is removed, it’s unknown if forced tripping, like this and Diddy’s bananas will return, or if only accidental tripping is removed.)
Palutena is a newcomer, with her moves based directly off Uprising.
Magnus is a new Assist Trophy, and acts similarly to Little Mac in Brawl.
All Pokemon veterans from Brawl return.
Mewtwo returns.
Mewtwo and Lucario have very different movesets.
No new Kirby characters.
Meta Knight will be revealed sometime in the summer of 2014.
No changes made to the EarthBound series.
All misc. characters return (Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Ice Climbers)
Little Mac is a newcomer. He has the look from the Punch-Out!! reboot for the Wii.
The Male Wii Fit Trainer is indeed an alt. for Wii Fit Trainer.
Wii Fit Trainer has a butt attack. It is replaced by a headbutt for the male costume.
King Hippo is an Assist Trophy.
The Ghosts from Luigi’s Mansion are an Assist Trophy.
Snake returns.
Pac-Man will be the final newcomer. He is a secret character.
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Oh look! I'm not a new account! Yeah, I've been here a while. If you can grasp that fact, I come baring news. I recently got into some money and for that, I chose to travel to Japan. I hired a translator and visited Mr. Sakurai as Smash Bros. is one of my favorite series of all time. I told him if he could give me any news on the series and he reluctantly agreed.
He told me to expect quite a few newcomers and some surprises. Go ahead and take it with a grain of salt but when I get everything right, I will be the one laughing all the way to...uh...my...house.

MARIO

*Rosalina is the first and only Mario newcomer for the game.

*There were plans Waluigi to be playable but he was scrapped and his Assist has been greatly updated and is more devastating than ever before. After Waluigi, the plan was originally to have Toad playable but he was later decided to remain as Peach's B move.

*There were never any plans for Bowser Jr., Paper Mario and Daisy to be playable. The former was considered to be an Assist Trophy, but that idea was quickly rid of in favor of a cult favorite Mario character.

*Fawful is the new Mario Assist Trophy, he replaces Hammer Bro. Fawful is kind-of like this game's Mr. Resetti and he flies around the screen talking in his amazingly hilarious voice and will attack players at random.

DONKEY KONG

*The next character revealed will be Diddy Kong for Tropical Freeze's JP release date.

*There will be a DK newcomer, though. It's King K. Rool...AND Dixie Kong. K. Rool is a standalone player and the heaviest fighter on the roster. Since he is heavy, he is also very powerful and is capable of launching fighters like Kirby and Olimar off the screen with two heavy Smash attacks. He does use the blunderbuss as his final smash. He jumps in the air and releases cannonballs from the top of the screen while launching mini-cannonballs from the side of the screen. Gangplank Galleon is confirmed to be a stage.

*Dixie Kong will be paired with Diddy Kong. Although, they'll play more like Zelda/Shiek than the Ice Climbers. Dixie has her own separate moveset but her moves are not confirmed as she not fully worked on yet.

ZELDA

*There is a Zelda newcomer but who that is, I do not know. They are keeping it a real secret. I did hear the Japanese names for Ghirahim and Tingle but if they're playable, I do not know.

*Ganondorf will retain some of C. Falcon's moveset but he has been buffed. His moveset now includes his sword. The sword can be equipped by crouching down and pressing B.

FIRE EMBLEM

*The newcomer for Fire Emblem is Chrom. As if it wasn't obvious enough, he uses the Falchion as his main attack and does NOT replace Ike. Marth, Ike and Chrom are the Fire Emblem characters. Chrom is planned to be revealed to celebrate the anniversary of the very first game.

*The Assist Trophy for the series is now King Gangrel and Aversa, actually. Lyn does not return. Gangrel runs fast across the stage using his Levin Sword while Aversa flies in the air using her 'Aversa's Night' as an attack. They are considered by Sakurai to be the most "unexpected" additions.

WARIO & YOSHI

*There are no major changes but Wario's classic attire is his default attire. I dunno if movesets are changed or not.

*Ashley is Wario's Assist Trophy and replaces Kat & Ana.

METROID

*Ridley is Metroid's newcomer. They scaled him down to size. Remember that Brawl video showcasing him against the PT Trainer? He looks almost exactly like that. What they did is amazSTAR FOX

*There are no major changes but Falco is further away from being a Fox clone and Wolf is no longer a semi-clone.

ANIMAL CROSSING

*Villager does have a female alt but nothing is changed.

*Tom Nook is the Assist Trophy alongside Mr. Resetti. He will go around randomly dropping bells, causing players to slip.

KID ICARUS

*Palutena is a newcomer. Her arsenal is almost entirely based from Uprising, is what I heard.

*Magnus is the KI Assist Trophy. He goes around swinging a sword and plays similar to Little Mac: fast, strong, but at times, suicidal.

POKEMON

*Mewtwo returns.

*Jigglypuff returns

*No cuts are made.

*Mewtwo and Lucario are not clones and their movesets barely resemble each others'.

KIRBY

*No newcomers for the Kirby series.

*Meta Knight will be revealed in the Summer of 2014, is what I remember.

MOTHER

*There are no major changes made to the Mother series.

RANDOM SERIES

*All misc. characters return with the addition of Little Mac. He looks like he does in the Wii reboot of Punch-Out!!

*WFT's male alt plays almost exactly like the female WFT.

*Yes, WFT does have a butt attack. HFT is given a headbutt instead.

*King Hippo and the Ghosts from Luigi's Mansion are Assist Trophies.

*I may have left out a few more veterans and stuff, but I am only retelling what I was told.

THIRD-PARTY

*We have Sonic and Mega Man in the third party slot.

*Snake does indeed return.

*Pac-Man will be the final newcomer revealed. Well, he won't be revealed...he'll be a secret character.

Go ahead and don't believe me. I know it's a lot to swallow but trust me, I know what I'm doing.ing according to Sakurai.
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Fiktion said:
Does this mean you're joining #TeamReal?
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Nope. I really hope that Palutena actually join SSB4 as playable character, but those pictures I can't really find myself to believe that it's real.
 
FUNKNOWN iXi said:
What would Fox's moveset be before Smash 64?
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Sakurai could find a moveset, I'm sure. I mean, he managed to figure out a moveset for ROB, Zelda, Peach, Captain Falcon, and plenty of others who otherwise wouldn't have one. I was more just curious about what it would be.

What I mean is that the image gives off an assist trophy vibe. If it's real, that is. The two statements were actually unrelated.
 
She looks way too detailed (especially on the 3DS) to be an Assist Trophy, and it's unlikely items will have the bold outline that playable characters do.
 
Lunar15 said:
Sakurai could find a moveset, I'm sure. I mean, he managed to figure out a moveset for ROB, Zelda, Peach, Captain Falcon, and plenty of others who otherwise wouldn't have one.

What I mean is that the image gives off an assist trophy vibe. If it's real, that is.
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Hardly looks like an assist trophy to me. Model is waay too complex and her individual fingers show that, compared to Wii U's Skull Kid AT who has blocks with lines for hands.
 
SuperSah said:
Hardly looks like an assist trophy to me. Model is waay too complex and her individual fingers show that, compared to Wii U's Skull Kid AT who has blocks with lines for hands.
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Has anyone lined it up with her actual in-game model from Kid Icarus: Uprising? From the (spoilers)
Boss Fight?
 
(quote)Translator Leak(unquote) said:
*Yes, WFT does have a butt attack. HFT is given a headbutt instead.
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I don't see how anyone can take the 'leak' seriously with this tidbit squeezed in. I don't see any reason for the two trainers having different moves considering they both do the exact same thing in their source game.
(Also what stretch could be either a headbutt/'butt' attack, makes no sense)
 
Lunar15 said:
What would a Palutena moveset even be?

Honestly, something about her screams assist trophy.
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Really, dude? We have a game with Wii Fit Trainer as a playable character and you doubt Sakurai could make a moveset out of a warrior goddess with a staff, shield and magic powers? Also bear in mind she's the namesake of the entire franchise in Japan, and she plays a larger role in Uprising than Zelda plays in like the entire Zelda franchise combined.

For her moves, off the top of my head, she could dash forward -- or upwards, or round and round -- on grind rails. She could make astral projections of herself. She could summon her centurions. She could fire off the Palutena Glam Blaster from Uprising. She could stir up the "monster pheromones" she used in Uprising. She could fire magic projectiles from the tip of her staff. She could use her Mirror Shield to reflect attacks -- in fact, it should be noted that Pit previously had used the shield in Brawl, but now Pit is using the Guardian Orbitars, probably because Palutena has been given back her Mirror Shield. She could also go into a glide mode with Up B and fly around to a limited degree; this could be her recovery move, if the grind rails were turned into a forward dash like the Fox Illusion.

The list goes on and on. Making a moveset for Palutena would be a cinch, especially for someone like Sakurai who made movesets for Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Captain Falcon, R.O.B., Mr. Game & Watch, etc.
 
Fiktion said:
This bit:


I assume that means that the surprises are things that are not on the list.
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Oh. I see. To be honest, I'm not sure about that leak since he only list the obvious informations that we are more likely to get. If he's legit then I really hope that we are getting Takamaru because it's his time!
 
Neiteio said:
She could use her Mirror Shield to reflect attacks -- in fact, it should be noted that Pit previously had used the shield in Brawl, but now Pit is using the Guardian Orbitars, probably because Palutena has been given back her Mirror Shield.
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But yeah, as I clarified earlier, it's not that I don't think she couldn't have a moveset, it was more just wondering what it actually could be.

On a side note, Pit's final smash should be changed to the Great Sacred Treasure, and Palutena's final smash could be the centurions.
 
Green Mamba said:
Palutena's never even held the Mirror Shield. What's this about giving it back to her?
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Ah, you're right -- it was the Three Sacred Treasures shield. But here's another theory -- the Guardian Orbitars replace the shield because the Three Sacred Treasures is now Pit's new Final Smash:

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And the Mirror Shield's functionality is now available to Palutena, who always carries with her a shield.
 
Ryce said:
She looks way too detailed (especially on the 3DS) to be an Assist Trophy, and it's unlikely items will have the bold outline that playable characters do.
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We've only seen ATs on the Wii U version and they have all looked fantastic (well Starfy is not what I would include) like the rest of the playable characters.

Though I don't think Palutena will be an AT, I don't this is valid reasoning at all.
 
I'm updating this post of mine:

For her moves, off the top of my head, she could dash forward -- or upwards, or round and round -- on grind rails. She could make astral projections of herself. She could summon her centurions. She could fire off the Palutena Glam Blaster from Uprising. She could stir up the "monster pheromones" she used in Uprising. She could fire magic projectiles from the tip of her staff. She could use her shield to reflect attacks -- in fact, it should be noted that Pit previously had used a shield in Brawl, but now Pit is using the Guardian Orbitars, allowing the Three Sacred Treasures (of which the shield is part) to be his Final Smash, and freeing up Palutena to be a character, and the Mirror Shield's functionality for her own shield. She could also go into a glide mode with Up B and fly around to a limited degree; this could be her recovery move, if the grind rails were turned into a forward dash like the Fox Illusion.
 
DaBoss said:
We've only seen ATs on the Wii U version and they have all looked fantastic (well Starfy is not what I would include) like the rest of the playable characters.

Though I don't think Palutena will be an AT, I don't this is valid reasoning at all.
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They're all instantly recognizable as Assist Trophies to me. Skull Kid doesn't even have fingers. They look good, yeah, but they're not nearly as detailed as the playable characters.
 
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