isn't he talking about the initial choice to release first on xbox vs playstation, the timed exclusivity? the full exclusivity deal only happened around launch, not years ago.
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Titanfall's exclusivity based on EA's XB1/PS4 forecasts, still feel very comfortable
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isn't he talking about the initial choice to release first on xbox vs playstation, the timed exclusivity? the full exclusivity deal only happened around launch, not years ago.
No one should believe this. Its nonsense. It is as simple as MS paid them the dough, its not even coming to PS3.
also - shame on this quote
"Since their release, the PS4 has sold 4.2 million consoles worldwide while the Xbox One sold 3.9 million. It's not a major difference, but I'd like to know what EA's forecast originally estimated."
sold through vs shipped, that's some journalism boys.
KernelPanic
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They paid but EA was like "Yeah we think Xbox will outsell PS4 this generation and will be the dudebro, shooter console of choice"
Sword Of Doom
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Basically.
Jinfash
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None of this is too surprising, but the irony is still appreciated. The xbone selling as decently as it did in its first two months is what's stopping this from being a complete business blunder, though.
If TitanFall fails to give the xbone the momentum edge and the sale gap between the two systems continues to grow, *then* it will be a royal "oops" moment.
If TitanFall fails to give the xbone the momentum edge and the sale gap between the two systems continues to grow, *then* it will be a royal "oops" moment.
DeviantBoi
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Tin foil hats on!
I think EA was behind the whole DRM debacle. They were trying to force the console manufacturers to implement DRM to get rid of the used games market.
Microsoft went ahead and announced the new DRM and it bit them in the ass. Bit them real hard and that sent them into a tailspin of bad press from which they haven't yet recovered.
Sony, on the other hand, hadn't yet committed to the plan and having seen the shit storm that went down, made the wise decision of sticking with what consumers want.
So, EA was to blame for the train wreck that was the Microsoft reveal, so Microsoft demanded that they EA give Titanfall exclusivity to try to make up for lost sales.
Tin foil hats off.
Microsoft gave EA a bunch of money to secure Titanfall exclusivity.
I think EA was behind the whole DRM debacle. They were trying to force the console manufacturers to implement DRM to get rid of the used games market.
Microsoft went ahead and announced the new DRM and it bit them in the ass. Bit them real hard and that sent them into a tailspin of bad press from which they haven't yet recovered.
Sony, on the other hand, hadn't yet committed to the plan and having seen the shit storm that went down, made the wise decision of sticking with what consumers want.
So, EA was to blame for the train wreck that was the Microsoft reveal, so Microsoft demanded that they EA give Titanfall exclusivity to try to make up for lost sales.
Tin foil hats off.
Microsoft gave EA a bunch of money to secure Titanfall exclusivity.
Indeed, I said back when we were hearing things about Destiny only being on Xbox and PS at a later point for the sequel, I hoped they weren't expecting big sales because history has shown that missing out the first on a platform usually means low sales when they do come at a later point.
Though at the same time it is pretty early on in the generation, and TitanFall is at this point a MP only game. If Titanfall 2 does come to the PS4 it will be an interesting to see how well it fairs, but I hope EA aren't expecting it to be the next CoD when they are missing out on a massive percentage of the potential install base.
phosphor112
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Considering sales projections for the Xbox was considerably lower before the Xbox was launched... I don't believe this a bit.
3 months into this generation, you make this statement. I don't think anyone thought one or the other would stomp at launch. Everyone was thirsty for a new system and both were going to sell year 1.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I was saying this early last year, it's why I believe they so easily dropped season passes, they thought they had an alternative lined up with "always online" and the whole situation bit them in the ass badly.
I still believe it.
I actually believe this for the initial timed exclusive deal. MS did a great job of selling XBO to devs before final hardware for both consoles was out and all of the DRM plans were laid out. A lot of teams probably had more faith in MS to launch a successful console than Sony. The full exclusive deal obviously came later but the timed exclusive deal probably made sense at the time so that the smallish team didn't have to overwork themselves for the initial release and then would be more successful once the PS4 fanbase grew.
Pardon?
Sword Of Doom
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EA isn't really bullshitting cause in regards to meeting forecasts, Xb1 sales most likely meet or exceed what they expected. What they didn't expect is how well the PS4 has sold. And when he's talking about forecasts it's basically the calculations they did to figure out how much the exclusivity would cost for MS. What I don't understand however is why Respawn tweeted saying it was always an exclusive at launch only but EA is making it sound like it was always an exclusive to MS platforms. Whatever the case MS paid a shit load of money for this game and they ultimately win. It's hard to see EA not bring this game to other platforms eventually though. The potential for this IP is huge and it's not just game sales. They can merchandise the shit out of the mechs and if they want to sell globally they need the game on other platforms.
Edit: the article compared ps4 sales of 4.2 million units sold through to consumers vs 3.9 million xb1 units sold to retailers. That's bullshit. It's supposed to be 4.2 million vs 3 million. A huge difference
Edit: the article compared ps4 sales of 4.2 million units sold through to consumers vs 3.9 million xb1 units sold to retailers. That's bullshit. It's supposed to be 4.2 million vs 3 million. A huge difference
Netherscourge
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This sounds kinda strange...
Two years ago, when EA and Respawn first got in bed together, EA decided right THEN and THERE that they would be going exclusive on the Xbox One with Titanfall? Based on a Next-Gen console forecast?
If that was true, then why did they wait until the end of 2013 to take the money from Microsoft? And why did they stick with Microsoft knowing that the PS4 had more than double the Pre-Order numbers of the XB1, in the weeks leading up to the announced exclusivity deal?
I guess the bazillions they made on CoD games being multiplatform was less than what they reeled in directly from Microsoft in cash for this deal?
Surely they would have made a TON more money going multiplat???
Also - did Respawn know about this deal/forecast two years ago? Because the head guys at Respawn tweeted like it was a complete surprise to them when EA announced the deal a few weeks back...
Respawn sure sounds like they gave EA way too much power over their IPs...
Two years ago, when EA and Respawn first got in bed together, EA decided right THEN and THERE that they would be going exclusive on the Xbox One with Titanfall? Based on a Next-Gen console forecast?
If that was true, then why did they wait until the end of 2013 to take the money from Microsoft? And why did they stick with Microsoft knowing that the PS4 had more than double the Pre-Order numbers of the XB1, in the weeks leading up to the announced exclusivity deal?
I guess the bazillions they made on CoD games being multiplatform was less than what they reeled in directly from Microsoft in cash for this deal?
Surely they would have made a TON more money going multiplat???
Also - did Respawn know about this deal/forecast two years ago? Because the head guys at Respawn tweeted like it was a complete surprise to them when EA announced the deal a few weeks back...
Respawn sure sounds like they gave EA way too much power over their IPs...
Should have been first post.
EmptySpace
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looking at numbers only tells facts but not the truth.
ba-dum-tss
ba-dum-tss
Who thought this?
Well it was expected the xb1 would continue the growth of the 360. MS were financially able to subsidise the console whereas Sony were not, so the xb1 was expected to be more powerful than the ps4, however they decided to go for apps, ddr3 kinect and breaking even on the initial sale. Sony were also expected to do something silly like 599 or cell 2.0. Though all of these expectations were made when the Durango and orbis were internal projects only.
To clarify these are the expectations in the industry from 2011 or so. When a lot of these decisions were made.
mangochutney
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Vince always said it was because they were a new studio and didn't have the resource to make it for both.
I'd always assumed that what that translated to was: "EA started a bidding war between MS and Sony to see who would pay the most and it turned out it was Microsoft so we made it for Xbox".
I'd always assumed that what that translated to was: "EA started a bidding war between MS and Sony to see who would pay the most and it turned out it was Microsoft so we made it for Xbox".
Timed exclusive at the start right? Then total exclusive shortly thereafter by EA? I imagine EA was in talks with MS/Sony and Sony didn't have enough interest to match/exceed the MS offer to make it multiplatform.
How fucking shady would that be if Sony had to pay for the game to come out on both consoles?
Banjo-Kazooie
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EA had an out...the title wasn't a full on exclusive until a few months ago, but they didn't take that out, they took money.
batman2million
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whatever the case, this was a good business move on MS end. There's really nothing else on their forecast (this year) to this measure.
KernelPanic
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MS will probably pay and more to keep it more exclusive, even more so if PS4 widens the sales gap over this gen,
funkystudent
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Respawn also said the reason they chose the Source Engine was because of the work Valve did with it on PS3.
I'd say you are right though but I also wonder how the rest of the EA / MS deal came along. They get exclusive popcap games, some exclusive stuff for all the sports games AND titanfall. Thats a heck of a money hat. The kind of desision making that made EA the company it is today!
But to be fair there was a lot of chatter about MS going to dominate next gen a few years ago. I would say it was probably the general consensus in the industry right up until things became real in 2013 and MS dropped every single ball they possible could have
LilWayneSuckz
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Vince Zampella has already said they will (eventually) develop on PS4.
KernelPanic
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But is it his call or EA?
Shady? Why would that be shady? That's how the industry works these days. If a platform holder wants a game on their system they have to court the pub/dev with marketing arrangements, publishing assistance, manufacturing discounts, etc etc.
I doubt Sony even attempted exclusivity talk with Ea for this game. Sony is done given hand outs and is focusing on first party game investments.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Nope, MS is still meeting the targets EA expected, so they are comfortable with that, they just didn't expect Sony to exceed their projections the way they have so far.
You can't become uncomfortable over ifs and maybes in business.
Sword Of Doom
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Yes and he also didn't know the title was a lifetime exclusive. At this point it's probably out of their hands. If they didn't have control of what platforms Titan Fall 1 would be released on what makes you think they will have control over future Titan Fall games?
ArchedThunder
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Pretty much every 3rd party dev.
schwabdizzle
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I think what he is getting at is whether the money MS paid them would be around the amount of money of sales they made if they decided to go multiplat with PS4. A least that's what I got from it.
Doug Heffernan
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As far as I know, EA does not have publishing rights for the sequel so it's not up to them.
In that case I would assume Microsoft would jump at the opportunity to publish Titanfall 2.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they outright purchased the IP or studio.
Breakfast at Noon
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the fact there talking about it makes it sounds like ther uncomfortable.
SenatorBot
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Didn't some devs talk about how everyone expected the Xbone to completely conquer this generation with the playstation market shrinking in the US and Europe?
That's why you saw a lot of publishers being close with Microsoft before the Xbone unveil and making a lot of plans together.
That's why you saw a lot of publishers being close with Microsoft before the Xbone unveil and making a lot of plans together.
Really? People expected that? Based on what? That doesn't seem to be a very astute prediction.