Neoriceisgood
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At least the statue proves Sakurai knows who Palutena is.
Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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Sakurai never posted a picture of a Ridley trophy or statue on miiverse ....
friskykillface
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Magnus took her spot B^)
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Yeah she's been sleeping on the job. Smash is on the brink of collapse.
Who then lost his spot to Dog.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Who lost that spot to Nameless Girl who walks too fucking slow.
Except Sakurai specifically said he updated Pit's look to reflect Uprising.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case for Palutena as well
Magnus: Hey! In this economy, everyone's looking for work. Even part-time work.
She is the great herald of tripping. All opponents facing her now trip automatically.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I know you guys arent reading much into a statue, the statue is 1. going to be in the background, which means its going to get less detail than an actual character model, and 2. most likely its directly ripped from chapter 20 of kid icarus uprising.
Uncle0wnage
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You know what really irks me? People who attribute everything in this game to Sakurai, he most likely didn't model each of these characters nor did he any of the stages, so when people say he "changed" a model, he probably did jack shit to it, and one of Nintendo's artists is the one who did all the work.
SenorArdilla
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Alfonzo: That's funny. Business is booming for me. We're even hiring more staff!
The Bankslammer
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I think "Sakurai" has just become a loving colloquiallism for the Smash team at this point. Nobody means to attribute absolutely everything to him.
Of course someone else does the work, but he signs off on it. Read his translated column. If something was changed you can bet that it was on Sakurai's orders.
Neoriceisgood
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I do.
GiantBreadbug
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Oh my gosh, how does the appearance of the model have any bearing on that leak?
Name me one instance where a playable character appears in the background exactly as their playable model looks (excluding G&W because G&W characters are all very similar in their simplicity).
The statue is heavily Uprising. And that's probably because it's an Uprising stage. The leak's similarity to the statue doesn't mean a damn thing.
Also, Uncle0wnage, I get what you're saying, but Sakurai is an absolute maniac about even the most minute details. I would not be surprised if he has a hand in absolutely every detail of these models, even if he himself doesn't code the models.
Name me one instance where a playable character appears in the background exactly as their playable model looks (excluding G&W because G&W characters are all very similar in their simplicity).
The statue is heavily Uprising. And that's probably because it's an Uprising stage. The leak's similarity to the statue doesn't mean a damn thing.
Also, Uncle0wnage, I get what you're saying, but Sakurai is an absolute maniac about even the most minute details. I would not be surprised if he has a hand in absolutely every detail of these models, even if he himself doesn't code the models.
Uncle0wnage
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It's just weird, cause for almost every other game franchise no one says, "I love how [ken Levine/Cliffy b/etc] changed this main character's model."
Smash has been developed by three different companies now, the only thing the games all have in common is the director, who happens to have a very distinct style.
The Bankslammer
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Maybe I'm totally wrong and Sakurai is a 30 armed alien under the guise of an eternally young Japanese man who, with his alien brainpower of a capacity simply too high for humans to comprehend, singlehandedly creates Smash Bros with the purpose of spreading his influence to homes throughout the planet.
In which case why didn't you guys tell me
In which case why didn't you guys tell me
Reggie better apologize so we can get sonic back too.
Comparing the leak and the statue there's one thing that's very clear to me - the staff designs are different. The leak has a Brawl-style staff, the statue is Uprising-style. Moreover, I'm fairly certain that the statue isn't ripped directly from Uprising, based on graphical fidelity differences alone. I'd love a side-by-side comparison if someone has one.
They're essentially going to be remaking both Palutena and the statue from the ground up here is what I'm thinking - they can't port-and-tweak Brawl models here. For me, it makes no sense to remake Palutena, then remake the statue, and have one based on the Brawl design and the other based on the Uprising design. It's very likely that the final design would meld those two elements - but I don't think they'd go through the trouble of modeling two completely different staves here.
Now, I'll admit it's possible - the stage design team may not have been privy to the character design notes that specify "Brawl-style staff" and just remade the statue from Uprising assets. We don't really have any idea how production works on this sort of project, so we can't claim with certainty there'd be a single "Palutena looks like this" design document out there.
Personally, I think there'd be one source that the entire team would be working from - and the statue here should be very similar, if not identical, to the playable model. But it's not. So I'm chalking this up in the "leak-is-fake" evidence column.
They're essentially going to be remaking both Palutena and the statue from the ground up here is what I'm thinking - they can't port-and-tweak Brawl models here. For me, it makes no sense to remake Palutena, then remake the statue, and have one based on the Brawl design and the other based on the Uprising design. It's very likely that the final design would meld those two elements - but I don't think they'd go through the trouble of modeling two completely different staves here.
Now, I'll admit it's possible - the stage design team may not have been privy to the character design notes that specify "Brawl-style staff" and just remade the statue from Uprising assets. We don't really have any idea how production works on this sort of project, so we can't claim with certainty there'd be a single "Palutena looks like this" design document out there.
Personally, I think there'd be one source that the entire team would be working from - and the statue here should be very similar, if not identical, to the playable model. But it's not. So I'm chalking this up in the "leak-is-fake" evidence column.
Dimitri LH
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Now that just sounds ridiculous!
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Its his Cat that programs everything. Sakurai just takes the credit to protect the Cat.....Ratatouille situation. Makes sense right?
The Bankslammer
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The photo of his cat hidden in Brawl was added unbeknownst to Sakurai as a digital signature of sorts. Once we can extract KI:U's assets I'm sure we'll find something similar hidden in there.
Make sure you're writing this down.
Shadow Hog
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Alt text:
Sonic's perpetually-pivoting legs work in a disturbingly similar manner
Exotoro
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heheh
Green Mamba
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They do feel like inconsistencies that should not exist. I definitely agree that the statue is a blow against the legitimacy of the leaked screens.
Rather just three... :/
People need to experience the GamePad before they say it's useless, it's like people asking for a single screened successor to the 3DS. I'll never understand why they want to go backwards in game progression. It's like asking for the next systems to be SD rather than HD imo.
friskykillface
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I think, at the end of the day, two-screen gaming just hasn't proven itself as worthwhile. Sure, there are a few games on the DS that have shown how two screens can make for unique game experiences, but the vast, VAST majority just keep almost all gameplay on one screen while throwing a map and/or menu screen on the other, and, in all honesty, it isn't really that convenient, as I'd rather just keep my focus on the one screen where shit actually happens while I'm playing. It doesn't help at this point that even Nintendo seems to not know what to do with the Wii U GamePad at this point (mariokarthonkbutton.jpg, or the fact that DKCTF is just going to display a blank screen on the pad), and the fact that it's one of the main reasons the system is as expensive as it is (which is not a good thing, considering much more powerful systems with actual 3rd party support are available for only $100 more), cutting the GamePad seems like the best course of action.
But maps and inventories on a second screen is the reason it is so useful. You don't have to make crazy new gameplay innovations every time, but making a game for convenient to play is always a plus. Just compared WWHD with the original game. Even Mario Kart has its uses with a detailed map on the second screen which you really can't do as well on a single display without obscuring ones view.
Handhelds have small screens so I find that putting the HUD stuff on the bottom screen to be usually the best use of the second screen on the DS and 3DS.
You would either have to pause the screen to view them or have them clutter up the top screen if it was a single screen.
EDIT: I thought you guys were talking about handhelds lol.
You would either have to pause the screen to view them or have them clutter up the top screen if it was a single screen.
EDIT: I thought you guys were talking about handhelds lol.
Pop-O-Matic
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Minor conveniences like that aren't worth the extra $100 I have to pay for a PS360-level box, and the sales numbers seem to show that the majority of buyers agree with me.
Getting confused since we're simultaneously talking about the value of a second screen for both the DS and the Wii U, which is not so easily comparable because the cost is very different. The handhelds have more than proven the worth of the small added cost of the extra screen over the years. I think the main reason some people want Nintendo to go back to single screened handhelds is they think the clamshell design doesn't look "cool" by today's standards. That's not a very good reason in my opinion, but I don't care much for aesthetic trends.
The GamePad obviously is great thanks to Off TV play and the odd games which use it really well like Nintendo Land, but the huge cost of the accessory isn't quite justified.
The GamePad obviously is great thanks to Off TV play and the odd games which use it really well like Nintendo Land, but the huge cost of the accessory isn't quite justified.
Pop-O-Matic
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I have on my DS/3DS, and I prefer single-screen, thank you very much.
I'm rather ok with one screen actually.
Well I don't really get it. Just playing WWHD and not needing to pause constantly to view the map to line up my boat for some treasure was so so so so so convenient.
First and third prediction I'd go along with. Not even going to bother trying to predict when Directs come. They have a mind of their own. For all we know it will end up as a DKTF special.
Except you have to look away from the main screen anyway, making it not so convenient. I can't imagine ever wanting to look down on the pad when I'm in the middle of a race in MK8. As for WW, assuming there are some leftover buttons to use (which I assume there are, what with 4 shoulder buttons), one could assign one button to a map overlay that doesn't pause the game, if we are to discuss hypothetical minimally intrusive maps. Something akin, say, Diablo, only less ugly.
The gamepad's price point is not a 'small' hurdle, not at all.