Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I'm on-board for a middle ground, absolutely.
Fair! I do prefer Melee's physics, and the additional speed and technique therein, but gettin stuck in a combo like that would just piss me the hell off. "Oops, I made the mistake of getting hit once, there goes a stock."
Melee is the middle ground between Smash 64's one hit ko and Brawl's one hit at a time. The problem with Brawl's combo system wasn't low hitstun, but that you could airdodge out of a tumble state. Smash 4 looks fine to me, though. I think this game is going to please nearly everybody.
It's funny because I do agree that it's annoying and boring when you're the one who gets stuck in a combo, but I do love to watch them, and it feels amazing when you actually pull one off in game.
Other than that, I just enjoy watching the long combos for entertainment value.
chaobreaker
Member
Regressing him back into his Fox clone moveset was for the best?
I think the new Adventure Mode might incorporate boss battles, but without SSE's pre-rendered cutscenes -- going directly from a platforming stage to the boss fight, sort of like Kid Icarus: Uprising.
I'd like to see K. Rool, Mother Brain, and Medusa as bosses.
Or just a better version of the one from melee.
Have more detailed stages, boss battles after some stages, and then random challenge encounters (kirby brawl!).
I also want melee's challenge mode to come back, with weekly or daily challenges added via spotpass. And online rankings for time/score. (Beat as many yoshi's as possible in 120 seconds, defeat giga bowser, etc).
I would honestly like to see all of Brawl's bosses return minus Duon, Galleom and whatever other original characters there were. Petey, Pokey, Rayquaza, and Ridley were cool. Though I'd definitely want more. A Pikmin boss, a new legendary Pokemon, King Boo, King Hippo, Demise are a few ideas for good potentials.
Shadow Hog
Member
Clean:
Wrong, wrong, wrong. GIF has no such limitations. You can make it as large and as long as you damn well feel like. Hell, GIF isn't even limited to 256 colors. Only issue is that the filesize will bloat considerably if you do any of those things, and since a good chunk of the Internet has bandwidth caps or slow Internet speeds, nobody does that.
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS Speculation Thread 5: If Fox's Boot Fits
That makes him a good villain then
Scrafty looks like a piece of crap.
Oh yeah, Project M does look like a MUGEN clone now that I think about it! Mewtwo?? Roy??? What Smash Bros game would ever have them?? What's next? Batman?! Spiderman?! Darth Vader?! Goku?! Piccolo?!?!?!?!
>_>
I know it's literally impossible because it's so late, but I would pay a great deal of money to get Grassland Grove from Tropical Freeze as a level with that music.
theprodigy
Member
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
<_<
If he's talking about the menus, then I agree. Brawl is clean and professional, but the Project M UI looks like someone from the early 2000s tried out Photoshop for the first time. It's a gaudy mess. (I'm sure it's possible to go back to the original menus, but I find it funny that they were replaced to begin with.)
I don't think he is talking about the Menus since he said 3D models.
I personally thought Project M's UI looks fine. I actually like it better than Brawl's since Brawl was too bright for me. Hmm, I wouldn't say it looked like it came out of the early 2000s, that's kind of exaggerating.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
That screenshot confirms Luigi still has his Uppercut Punch mechanics from Brawl. Cool.
lol I love that uppercut. It's basically Luigi's version of Jiggly sleep.
Well they changed it to emulate Melee's UI, a game from the early 2000s...
hey, are you guys talking about combos? i like combos in smash bros games
here's why
gif of the day:
Reminds me why I don't like combo'ing in Smash.
The same knee move 3-4 times in a row is too easy and cheap to be a combo.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
All shall know the wrath of the shrieking bat.
MrSaturn99
Member
Would love to see Porky return. Him being a boss in Smash is still mind-blowing to me.
Damn, look at Lucario's mask!
I'm not a competitive Smasher, but I thought that GIF looked weird. Thanks for the clarification.
Clean:
Damn, look at Lucario's mask!
I'm not a competitive Smasher, but I thought that GIF looked weird. Thanks for the clarification.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
It's from a TAS video against a level 9 computer that doesn't DI
And on top of that it's difficult to actually nail the hitbox.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Plz don't you know combos in melee are 0 to death. We don't need context.
have you guys even played smash bros before
you know you can escape those combos
of course you do
Anth0ny, this is what happens you post a .gif of a combo -- people are taking the word 'combo' to be literally meaning something inescapable. Where in Smash all combos (for the most part) are escapable because of DI. Combos happen when the person trying to do said combo is reading the other person's DI and is one of the most crucial skills anyone can have in Smash. There's tons of interaction going on with combos in Smash that aren't in traditional fighters and it kinda scares me that some of these posts act like that particular combo was impossible to get out of x_x;
A string might have been the more appropriate word but I don't know, a combo is a combo and DI influences whether it'll happen or not.
A string might have been the more appropriate word but I don't know, a combo is a combo and DI influences whether it'll happen or not.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
It's not bad. Here are some really good ones from Smash Boards.
This is very acceptable to me. It looks natural as well. Still bigger than NES Ridley.
Perfect, good to go. Just toss a princess dress on him and all his detractors here will change their tune.
In terms of bosses, I'd love to see Porky again. As annoying as he was to fight, he's a great villain. I'm sure they can tweak him. I'd also love to see fights against Andross, Mother Brain, and Medusa. What I'd really like though, is to fight Metal Mario and Metal Luigi again; with the same Battlefield music as Melee. That would be great!
have you guys even played smash bros before
you know you can escape those combos
of course you do
Are you asking people to do research?
Don't forget the green hair!
I simultaneously love the Brawl design and think it looks a smidge silly, I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's the eyes.
EDIT: Definitely the eyes. Ridley looks better with luminescent slits like in most of the Metroid games.
Shadow Hog
Member
Oh, man, I only just noticed Samus getting KO'd there.
MrSaturn99
Member
But apparently that was done via TAS? Is that sort of thing actually common in the competitive scene or what? I'm totally clueless as to how competitive Smash works yet I would like to know so I don't make the same mistake when another Melee gif stirs up controversy.
have you guys even played smash bros before
you know you can escape those combos
of course you do
DUI? I swear I wasn't drinking, officer!
lol @ all the TAS combo hate.
That gif was from a TAS video (perfect movement), but every other gif I've posted is from real gameplay. In other words, players are approaching TAS levels of perfection with their movement. I have gifs of Falcon combos that come pretty close to that (besides the ridiculous moonwalk -> grab shit at the beginning lol)
Melee IS the happy medium. 64 had super high hitstun. Brawl had super low. Melee had the best mix of DI potency and combo effectiveness. It makes it satisfying on BOTH ends, not just one or the other. The whole time you're in the combo, you need to be constantly aware of which way to DI, and thinking about how the opponent will continue. When you're comboing you often have to be thinking about which way they'll try to DI.
lol.
chaobreaker
Member
Yes, because he said once, that he always asked the creator of a character, if they have a problem if he includes there creation in a fighting game. That's why he originally didn't include the Villager in Brawl. Sakruai is a person, who respects the creations of others. And its also the reason, why Snake, Sonic and Mega Man look so great in Smash Brothers.
Honestly I really don't care at all about "serious" Smash in general. I don't even know what the basics are - like, a tilt? No idea what a tilt is. No idea how to do one. Never even figured out how to shield/dodge outside of what button to use. And I don't have any interest in learning - I'm better than 90% of the people I know at Smash Bros. which says a lot about how much the average person knows/cares about those sorts of details.
Like, if you can manage that, good for you, I guess, but I feel like those are people playing a completely different game than me - and are asking for a completely different game than Sakurai is trying to make.
Like, if you can manage that, good for you, I guess, but I feel like those are people playing a completely different game than me - and are asking for a completely different game than Sakurai is trying to make.
Professor Beef
Banned
Because it's still a combo. If you don't know how to escape it, the that's kinda on you for not learning.
Oh god, this line of reasoning is always the cutest.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Soul Calibur has a similar system. You could get juggled all day or you could use DI to get out of stuff. It's still considered a combo
He wouldn't slave away over frame data for the characters if he wasn't trying to make a game people could at least play against each other seriously with. It's called having a game people can enjoy casually for shits and giggles and at the same time having enough meat on it's bones for people that really want to get into it to sink their teeth into. It's possible to do both at the same time.
MrSaturn99
Member
Thanks for the info. It's up to you but I'd suggest avoiding TAS stuff so people won't get confused.
Pretty much how I feel, but I guess that's why competitive Smashers are hoping for that happy medium.
welp time to bail
It's not bad. Here are some really good ones from Smash Boards.
This is very acceptable to me. It looks natural as well. Still bigger than NES Ridley.
The one thing that seems weird to me, and I'm totally fine with being way off about this, is doesnt it look like Ridley would have insane reach like that? I mean he's such a lanky character that i feel he would have a weird hit box, or that a character that size actually would be an issue as soon as he started moving and extending his limbs. Its not totally right to compare with Bowser amd Charizard, whose size is offset by their shorter, stockier limbs.
Im not saying Ridley couldnt work at all, hes part of my top 3 list for newcomers, but there's still something off about those images.
Rebroadcasting Evo 2013 on twitch.
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Still epic to watch, SSBM 4LYFE
http://www.twitch.tv/iplaywinner/
Still epic to watch, SSBM 4LYFE
SloaneRisette
Member
A fair number of people in this thread should probably watch this.
chaobreaker
Member
Fighting game combos are a series of moves that are virtually impossible to escape from once you get trapped into one unless the comboer makes a mistake.
If these Smash combos shown in the last couple of pages can be escaped mid-combo then why label them as being combos that if they don't fit the definition?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I already explained this.