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[ThatObviousUser]

So tonight I'll watch the first 2 episodes of Casshern Sins woo

Get rid of all sharp objects and any over-the-counter/prescription drugs you may have.

 

[foxuzamaki]

An army of rodents poses no more threat to me than does an army of K-On fans.

I see that this war has only started.

 

[lazybones18]

An army of rodents poses no more threat to me than does an army of K-On fans.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=99887696&postcount=3725

We'll see about that

 

[Zonic]

Saw this article on Japanator looking at SAO hate & seeing if it's justified.

I found it interesting, though I never recall anyone here saying it was predictable, or at the very least, using it as a reason why it wasn't good.

 

[789shadow]

Saw this article on Japanator looking at SAO hate & seeing if it's justified.

I found it interesting, though I never recall anyone here saying it was predictable, or at the very least, using it as a reason why it wasn't good.

But I AM smarter than this fucking show.

 

[daveo42]

I see that this war has only started.

This will end up being a bloodbath. ToonamiGAF will never be the same again.

 

[bigkrev]

Saw this article on Japanator looking at SAO hate & seeing if it's justified.

I found it interesting, though I never recall anyone here saying it was predictable, or at the very least, using it as a reason why it wasn't good.

Start reading, and immediately disagree with the first point. The whole series is wish fulfillment. Everyone wants Kiritos dick, from girls that just met him to his little sister. That screams "otaku wish fulfillment" if i've ever heard it

EDIT 1: Yes, Kirito is a Gary Sue. how is that even questionable? EVERYONE WANTS HIS DICK INSIDE THEM.

EDIT 2: OK, I'll give him credit, the writing isn't predictable. That's because good stories SHOULD be predictable to some degree, and plot twists should make sense when you think about them. So, congrats, your not predictable, but it's because you are so poorly written my mind can't think of the crap you will come up with next

EDIT THE THIRD: Direct quote

Criticism: Suguha falling for Kirito is toxic, awful siscon crap. Is it valid? No.

And that is where I stop reading. You tried to explain your opinion, and if this was a 10 point essay, i'd give you 2 points for effort, but sorry, you didn't do a good enough job.

 

[daveo42]

Start reading, and immediately disagree with the first point. The whole series is wish fulfillment. Everyone wants Kiritos dick, from girls that just met him to his little sister. That screams "otaku wish fulfillment" if i've ever heard it

It's should have just been a harem anime from the start.

 

[Jintor]

I feel like I'm reading people who have taken crazy pills here.

But I wouldn't say that SAO was predictable. Stupid, yes. Pulling shit out of its ass constantly, yes. But not predictable.

This is a criticism that has always baffled me. Wish fulfillment is a large part of the appeal of fiction in general; I can't be an Olympic athlete, or a powerful witch, or a stealthy ninja in reality, but fiction has allowed me to experience all of those things. Wish fulfillment is only bad when you consume such a steady diet of it that you miss out on the opportunity that fiction can provide to make you question yourself and grow as a person. The fact that some of the very best fiction can make us better people is wonderful, but do people really expect every single piece of fiction to achieve that lofty goal? Absolutely not, and pretending that you do is dishonest.

Now, what kind of wishes Sword Art Online seeks to fulfill, and whether it does so particularly well, are different, far more interesting questions. But when anyone says that SAO is bad just because it's "gamer wish-fulfillment," to be honest I pretty much stop listening to what they have to say. That makes zero sense.

SAO basically comprises a fucking souffle of otaku wish fulfilment. It's like the concentrated sugar rush dessert of wish fulfilment. And I while I certainly don't expect every piece of media I've ever had to challenge me and my perceptions of self, SAO is particularly egregious because of how fucking popular it is without, it feels, much semblance of critical thinking on the part of people who actively enjoy it. I think the main problem I have with it is that it doesn't seem very self aware of how fucked up it is.

 

[Seda]

"Would I have liked him that way, if we didn't happen to be raised as brother and sister?" is a pretty natural question to ask."


.......

 

[ThatObviousUser]

 

[Levyne]

I do think the hate is a bit extreme. Not because I care for the show but because it is just a show. Even if I think it has no or few redeeming qualities, it's just a TV show. Statement intentionally repetitive.

And I know that can be responded on either side by "I never said it was more than a tv show", but I'm not trying to put words in people's mouths. I am just saying there doesn't seem to be a reason to be needlessly hateful (or fond towards) a few hours of animated cartoon drawings.

 

[Schadenfreude]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=99887696&postcount=3725

We'll see about that

But Hamtaro is already dead and I don't care much about DBZ. What can you do to me that you haven't already done to One Piece? ;______;

 

[Imperial Bishop]

You can rest easy now, One Piece. The ham-ham is dead.

But Hamtaro is already dead and I don't care much about DBZ. What can you do to me that you haven't already done to One Piece? ;______;

I wonder how I'll eat my hamster.


Should I have it skinned and grilled?


Or should I deep-fry it and marinate its flesh in steak sauce?


Oh! Maybe I'll boil it while it's still alive and cover the little fella in Mediterranean spices and seasoning?


Or maybe I'll eat it completely raw with some fava beans and a nice chianti.


Fethththththth!

 

[bigkrev]

nvm

 

[Jintor]

I honestly feel like I need to write up some kind of proper counter article about it and submit it to Japanator. Where's all of firehawk's posts as he watches?

The title will be "SAO is a terrible anime and you are a worse person for liking it", just to play into the persecution complex going on

 

[daveo42]

Be honest, would you bang Levyne if you 2 weren't brothers?

Eww...technically it's if they were cousins, but I'm not a fan of 'keeping it in the family' either way.

 

[Levyne]

Let's drop that conversation tangent.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

Ham Hams, never give up! Never surrender! DBZ can still be taken down.

 

[Dr.Palutena]

I can say I usually don't care enough to hate most things *unless* i have been given reason to have some attachment to it . such as Naruto where it was good to me for a while and then has become what it is, or Bleach where the same thing happened but earlier. With SAO to be honest other than watching it with toonami gaf it has none of that, like at its best its boring and lame with maybe a good fight scene (if they arent very very eager to cut away from it) at its worst its obviously tripe and outrageous nonsense but even then i wouldnt care, except its on toonami.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I don't think SAO is a very good show but it's entertaining. I marathoned the sub over the summer in a week and thought it was eh. Watching with ToonamiGAF exposed a lot of flaws but it has sill been fun for me to watch. I really don't get the people who go on rage filled rants about the show every time it gets mentioned. Like, I can understand disliking SAO but the amount of energy some people spend making sure everyone knows their opinion that it's the equivalent of murder can be over the top at times. That's one reason why I voted to save it in the survivor thread.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

I need to know. How do you put a slash across a word?

I thought it was , but I guess it's something different.

 

[Levyne]

strike[./strike]

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I need to know. How do you put a slash across a word?

I thought it was , but I guess it's something different.

EDIT: Levyne is right, use strike

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

What's with all the alliance propaganda?

 

[kingkitty]

Ham Hams, never give up! Never surrender! DBZ can still be taken down.

Even if all Ham Hams change their vote to DBZ it still might not be enough :/

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I don't think SAO is a very good show but it's entertaining. I marathoned the sub over the summer in a week and thought it was eh. Watching with ToonamiGAF exposed a lot of flaws but it has sill been fun for me to watch. I really don't get the people who go on rage filled rants about the show every time it gets mentioned. Like, I can understand disliking SAO but the amount of energy some people spend making sure everyone knows their opinion that it's the equivalent of murder can be over the top at times. That's one reason why I voted to save it in the survivor thread.

People go on rants because:

- It's kinda misogynistic (there was a joke played straight faced that Kirito's cousin obviously can't be as good as math/science as him, not to mention all the female characters excepting possibly Asuna are waifu bait.)
- Incest plot dominates the second half.
- Kirito is the Gary Stuiest Gary Stuff ever.
- It's pretty massively popular.

Combine all that and it's ready to see why you get some of those rants.

 

[Jintor]

The popularity thing is key I think. If SAO was some niche bullshit anime that had its small obscure fanbase that'd be one thing, but people were touting it as basically the popularity anime of its season, 'smartest show i've seen', and a whole bunch of other stuff that made it seem as though it was representative of anime as whole

though... well, maybe it is.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

People go on rants because:

- It's kinda misogynistic (there was a joke played straight faced that Kirito's cousin obviously can't be as good as math/science as him, not to mention all the female characters excepting possibly Asuna are waifu bait.)
- Incest plot dominates the second half.
- Kirito is the Gary Stuiest Gary Stuff ever.
- It's pretty massively popular.

Combine all that and it's ready to see why you get some of those rants.

So I'm a woman hater because I don't get worked up over a cartoon show that airs for 30 minutes each week? That's hilarious, I've called the show misogynistic before. I have also talked at length before about the other complaints you mentioned so there's no need to retread.

My entire point was that I can understand why some people dislike the show but not why others choose to act like it's the most offensive thing they've ever seen. Some comments seem over the top and a tad sensationalized at times but that's just my opinion. It's not a problem per say, just pointing out something I've noticed.

EDIT: Who cares if it's popular? Justin Bieber is popular but makes shitty music but I don't go on a rant any time his name is mentioned or act like he's the worst thing to ever happen to music. If other people enjoy something then let them, no need to rage about it.

 

[Jintor]

EDIT: Who cares if it's popular? Justin Bieber is popular but makes shitty music but I don't go on a rant any time his name is mentioned or act like he's the worst thing to ever happen to music.

There are a lot of people who just rag on Bieber whenever his name is mentioned as well lol. Also, Nickleback hate. Actually, hating popular music is a very traditional pasttime.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

strike[./strike]

EDIT: Levyne is right, use strike

Much obliged.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Dude, how could you forget me D:

 

[Seda]

random trick, use tag to display other tags.

Also, you cannot properly quote this post I think.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

random trick, use tag to display other tags.

Also, you cannot properly quote this post I think.[/QUOTE]

Jack: What trickery is this?!

EDIT: And how do I use that tag? Do I just type [plain] in the post? Or is there something else I'm missing?
Sorry. I never took the time to learn all this stuff. :(

 

[foxuzamaki]

There are a lot of people who just rag on Bieber whenever his name is mentioned as well lol. Also, Nickleback hate. Actually, hating popular music is a very traditional pasttime.

Yeah im not a fan of people hating things just because its popular, it shows how shallow they're imo.

 

[Jintor]

Well, let me put it this way: I'd be just of critical of SAO if it was niche as if it was popular. The popularity isn't the reason I think SAO is bad. But it certainly gives a greater incentive to argue with people for why it's bad, because there's more people who think it's good and those people are WROOOOOOOOOONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

 

[Seda]

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will display

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[Gucci Messiah]

I need another Man God review, hopefully with less gifs

 

[Imperial Bishop]

By George, I think I got it.

Thanks, Seda.

 

[bigkrev]

I honestly feel like I need to write up some kind of proper counter article about it and submit it to Japanator. Where's all of firehawk's posts as he watches?

The title will be "SAO is a terrible anime and you are a worse person for liking it", just to play into the persecution complex going on

I would write this if I had any skills as a writer. The Japanator article is pretty bad.

That unpredictable part.... man, I think the author missed the point. Good stories are predictable, because they properly foreshadow and follow logical progressions. Something being unpredictable is not a good thing! Its a mark that the writer didn't know what they were doing.

 

[Man God]

Why does everybody get this song's name wrong? It's called "Go!!!" It's in the credits and everything.

I actually knew this. Doesn't matter, my friend and I have called it that since day one.

I'm reviewing the latest episode right now. With one gif.

 

[Crocodile]

So I'm a woman hater because I don't get worked up over a cartoon show that airs for 30 minutes each week? That's hilarious, I've called the show misogynistic before. I have also talked at length before about the other complaints you mentioned so there's no need to retread.

Woah there now. Don't put words in Andrex's or anybody else's mouths. I don't think I've EVER seen someone accuse someone else who liked SAO in any capacity of being misogynist on GAF (I can't speak to other online communities very well) just because they liked the show. That being said, the show itself is very (not even "kinda") misogynistic but you already recognize that. Enjoying something you know is terrible because its terrible isn't really a problem ("so bad its good", MST 3000, etc.). It's when one is ignorant of the problems or tries to excuse them that it becomes an issue and I feel that describes a non-insignificant number of people who are fans of the show. Especially when you see shit like "smartest anime in years" being written in non-ironic articles, that "defense" that Zonic posted a bit ago or that it seems to be a popular show to recommend outside GAF walls.

My entire point was that I can understand why some people dislike the show but not why others choose to act like it's the most offensive thing they've ever seen. Some comments seem over the top and a tad sensationalized at times but that's just my opinion. It's not a problem per say, just pointing out something I've noticed.

EDIT: Who cares if it's popular? Justin Bieber is popular but makes shitty music but I don't go on a rant any time his name is mentioned or act like he's the worst thing to ever happen to music. If other people enjoy something then let them, no need to rage about it.

I don't think anyone actually thinks it is the MOST offensive thing they've EVER seen but at the same time I think there are reasons to take offense to from a purely logical standpoint, especially in contrast to most of the rest of Toonami lineup which at its worst is boring. Also, note that when one is "offended" it isn't always from a "morality" standpoint but can also be from a "quality or writing" standpoint. As for popularity, hating on something just because its popular is pretty juvenile I agree. However I feel like most on GAF who have critiqued SAO could write a pretty explicit and reasonable explanation about why they don't like it. I don't see very many people hating on it "just cause" around here. If SAO was some niche show barely anybody knew about, I don't think we would think any different of it if we were exposed to it.

 

[Seda]

I think I said something about this a long time ago in this thread. Plot twists and turns shouldn't be something you see coming from a mile away, but they should at least make sense when they introduce a new element to the storyline.

An important plot beat should more likely make the viewer go 'oooooooooohhhhh' not 'whaaaaaaaaaat', generally speaking. I mean, not that they can't be surprising or even a little 'out-there' but they should be logical and fit the narrative in the end.

Edit: I'm not really referencing SAO specifically, I'm just talking generally.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

So I'm a woman hater because I don't get worked up over a cartoon show that airs for 30 minutes each week?

Where did I say that?

 

[BassForever]

Saw this article on Japanator looking at SAO hate & seeing if it's justified.

I found it interesting, though I never recall anyone here saying it was predictable, or at the very least, using it as a reason why it wasn't good.

This article is bad and the author should feel bad for writing it. I'd write a counter argument but that would take more effort then the article writer put into their argument

 

[Dr.Palutena]

I am the most Ham Ham I am offended at my exclusion

 

[Doctor Decimate]

Where did I say that?

i think you accidentally replaced his name in the quote with "Gmisogynistic"

 

[Man God]

I think I said something about this a long time ago in this thread. Plot twists and turns shouldn't be something you see coming from a mile away, but they should at least make sense when they introduce a new element to the storyline.

An important plot beat should more likely make the viewer go 'oooooooooohhhhh' not 'whaaaaaaaaaat', generally speaking. I mean, not that they can't be surprising or even a little 'out-there' but they should be logical and fit the narrative in the end.

Edit: I'm not really referencing SAO specifically, I'm just talking generally.

All shows should handle plot twists like G Gundam. Hints are there and you could put things together if you paid attention but are never out of left field.

A couple of them do employ dramatic irony which in small doses can be rather nice in itself. Half way spoiler

Spoiler

We know or at least suspect that Kyoji is Schwartz because we see the inside of the cockpit during the first Dark Gundam encounter, but no one else has any clue until Raine runs into him deep into act 2.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I was legit shocked to find that out in 6th grade, I can still remember sitting in the living room and eating za rolls while watching that episode.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

i think you accidentally replaced his name in the quote with "Gmisogynistic"

Oh shit.

That's what I get trying to make a long post on my phone. Sorry Gucci if I offended ya.