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Would be sad if wasn't all so laughably predictable.
There is no Epstein Client List
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DeafTourette
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This administration is corrupt and anyone still defending it has their blindfold on.
rm082e
Gold Member
That can't actually be real...
Rien
Jelly Belly
I won't be surprised tbh
GudOlRub
Member
This whole half a century at least will be a stain on the history books.
Shitheads in power all over the world are fucking it up and we're just sitting and watching, doing jack shit.
And I'm not just talking about the US, the whole political class in the developed world is rotten to the core. The rich and powerful take advantage of that and the consequences are and will be very dire.
Bojji
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Already is. Because this whole thing displays just how much of the public doesn't read anything at all despite their supposed interest in a topic, let alone history books.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Tangentially related.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Tangentially related.
I feel like he's trying to distract with everything he can ... And risking open war
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
This seems like super real news (◠‿・)Tangentially related.
We've been parking nuclear subs off Russia for DECADES, this is nothing new. And they have been doing it to us. It ain't gonna lead to jack squat.
Allow me to direct you to some documentaries
Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
That no comment from Noam Chomsky was a gut punch.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
Ghislaine Maxwell told DOJ Trump never did anything concerning around her: Sources
During her interview with the DOJ last month, former Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell said nothing that would be harmful to President Trump, sources say.
abcnews.go.com
Weird ¯\_(˘⌣˘ )_/¯
Duh, we knew this YEARS ago.Ghislaine Maxwell told DOJ Trump never did anything concerning around her: Sources
During her interview with the DOJ last month, former Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell said nothing that would be harmful to President Trump, sources say.
Weird ¯\_(˘⌣˘ )_/¯
There is a negative 1000% chance that ANYTHING in that stack of testimony and evidence that Trump did anything even remotely sketchy, much less illegal. Otherwise some staffer from the previous admin would have leaked it or it would have come out in her trial in NEW YORK CITY. But NOTHING, zip, nadda. Tells you all you need to know.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
is this important?
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Probably, but nothing is going to come of anything. One of these people will expire of old age or something and files will leak or close people/friends/employees will start writing memoirs and we'll probably get drip fed this shit in random spurts from different sources. I imagine this being something like JFK or MLK or Roswell. We'll eventually kind of know what probably happened, but it's all going to be so diluted and spaced out that no one is going to care beyond a 48 hour media coverage.
Or maybe it'll all come out tomorrow. I'm so-so on my predictions.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
I have faith that it'll eventually all come out. Either in a Wikileaks scenario, or we just wait another 4 years and hope we have a more transparent administration.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
Jason, you're willing to defend politicians pardoning someone that was fucking young girls and was convicted of child sex trafficking. You have to put the Kool aid down brother
Pedophile says they didn't see anything that concerned them. Probably saw something that they thought was totally normal behaviour.Ghislaine Maxwell told DOJ Trump never did anything concerning around her: Sources
During her interview with the DOJ last month, former Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell said nothing that would be harmful to President Trump, sources say.
Weird ¯\_(˘⌣˘ )_/¯
Would be weird though for her to out the only person who can give her a pardon.
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I'm not defending anyone. I'm just telling you the undeniable TRUTH that if there was hard evidence, or even moderately convincing testimony, that Trump was having sex with underaged girls, it WOULD HAVE COME OUT. Maybe some of y'all have wiped the absolutely shitstorm of stuff thrown at Trump over the past 8-9 years but none of it has stuck, so you really think the Biden admin had guys going through all that stuff and they could 'leak' all the stuff about Trump? They didn't, because it ISN'T THERE. The DEms absolutely would have sacrificed a few of their own if the evidence and testimony somehow was inextricable from the evidence on Trump. But we know this isn't the case. You really think Ghislaine went through her trial and her defense attorneys were ok with a bunch of partial or redacted statements? No way, they would have burned folks then if the evidence allowed it. So either you CAN pull folks out, or there are no other folks, of consequence, involved.
This is what you get when lawfare is used. The DNC threw everything and the kitchen sink at Trump, do you really think they wouldn't have used this????
The math ain't mathing, it's just objective truth.
Whatever Trump did, and he did some shit, no doubt, it wasn't with Epstein or it wasn't with underaged girls. Put aside the TDS and you will see this clear as day.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Why does this have to be the bar for info on Trump in the Epstein files coming out? I don't understand this logic, I doubt anyone expects any sort of undeniable truth or hard evidence he fucked underage girls.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Venom Snake
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The argument that if Trump were involved this would have been revealed long ago is idiotic because, apart from Epstein and his wife, NO ONE else involved has been revealed to the public.
The only real reason we only know what we know is that everyone from left to right did it.
What's more, Trump is trying very hard to keep it that way and that's like siding with pedophiles, morally not that far off.
The only real reason we only know what we know is that everyone from left to right did it.
What's more, Trump is trying very hard to keep it that way and that's like siding with pedophiles, morally not that far off.
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NickFire
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Disagreeing with that argument is one thing. Calling it idiotic is ironic.
Just because it wasn't leaked does not mean he's guaranteed to be innocent. But the fact it wasn't leaked is a very good reason to suspect nothing was there to leak. We all lived through the last 9 years. His opponents would have buried him any way possible. Even made shit up out of whole cloth.
G-DannY
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not useful to anyone but the public people to release and investigate more
there are all sides of the political spectrum implicated, and Trump was already facing trials, so why put more in the oven that will also go against democrats
left and right both scared
we have/had similar things here in Italy, politicians are fully in agreement between them only when they have to mutually protect their asses
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Venom Snake
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Call it whatever you want. But the elites' history of avoiding accountability is as long as the list of people court documents show as closely associated with Epstein at a time when his aberrant activities were already an open secret.
What's ironic for me is that people who received a mandate from society to govern, among other things, based on announced disclosure of any criminally marked connections to Epstein, deny any of those existing (while still casually mentioning names like Clinton) as soon as they have gained power.
At this point, there are too many reasons not to believe anyone who claims that there was no client list or Epstein and his wife were pleasing themselves and only themselves.
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That begs the question, what kind of proof WOULD be convincing?
Reports, with video evidence, that he was just in the proximity of teen girls? Video/reports that he went into a room alone with a teen girl? Video of him in the act? The girl(s) agreeing to testify? It's not like we are gonna get a rape kit. Very unlikely there is DNA on clothing after all this time to corroborate. A pregnancy? That'd do it.
If there was ANY evidence like this it would have come out, as this evidence has been collected by dozens of investigators across the political spectrum, catalogued by dozens of admin staff, poured over by dozens of legal folk, combed through by dozens of officials, politicians, lawyers, and judges.
This isn't some clandestine op that only 3 CIA operatives knew about. This was a MASSIVE investigation, went through multiple legal jurisdictions and courts. The notion that the guy CURRENLT in office, or running for office, is featured in there and it was never leaked, just preposterous. Hell, Jill Biden herself has probably read through it, same with Harris, you think either of them would have sat on it when facing off against Trump?
The evidence is either very limited or, like the court in NYC found, really only implicates Epstein and Ghislaine.
Idleyes
Gold Member
Political opponents don't always drop damaging info if it risks compromising other priorities or if the source could blow back on them. It's also possible evidence exists but hasn't been made public due to sealed records, ongoing cases, or witness protection deals. Personally, I don't like how it's all been laser-focused on Trump instead of a full sweep on whatever evidence exists to get EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. involved if there were more than just Epstein and Ghislaine.
Madserb2023
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Even though its possible Trump has done something bad, I am inclined to believe he is innocent, not because he doesn't look guilty, but because he is one of the most hated men on this planet. Surely, his opponents are looking and would have revealed the evidence if they had the proof. It's one of the reasons I think the moon landing is real. The Soviet Union would have been looking and absolutely would have jumped at the chance to discredit the US if they didn't actually didn't go to the moon. However, it is possible that Trump is guilty but no one is saying anything because his enemies are also guilty.
Us "right-wing bots" gotta stick together
Though my program says to deny the moon landings.
Madserb2023
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I don't know what this means. I live in the UK. I don't Care if Trump is a naunce or not. My point is half of Hollywood knows Epstein, but nobody is going to be looking into some random celebrity but they will be looking at Trump. He is so reviled here that I think Putin would get less protests than Trump if he came to London. Just look at the amount of hatred here. Putin calls Zalensky a Nazi but the biggest proof that he isn't, is that Putin would be displaying all the evidence if he was. I think we will know soon enough with how many want him impreached.Us "right-wing bots" gotta stick together
Though my program says to deny the moon landings.
Bojji
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Venom Snake
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For her, teaching little girls blowjobs wasn't a concern, so her wealthy friends receiving them probably weren't either.
But seriously, this is starting to look like bribery, which only raises more questions than it answers. Trump committed political suicide by campaigning on this issue, and any outcome will be a permanent blow to his image.
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Idleyes
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I don't get why anyone cares what Ghislaine has to say. Just look at the evidence and victim testimonies, and go after anyone else who was involved if there were more people. Forget the politics, the Democrats are acting like clowns turning this into a Trump thing, and Trump himself isn't helping by being an actual idiot.
ecosse_011172
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DrFigs
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i mean the evidence the FBI already collected is much more valuable than the things she's willing to say to get a pardon (or be moved to a cozier prison). But we won't be seeing those under Trump. Or at least, we know Trump apparently had agents work around the clock to flag Epstein documents that mentioned him.
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Hot5pur
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I suspect that there are many powerful people implicated in the files, so no one wanted to touch this thing with a 10 foot pole and try to bury it.
Trump made it part of his campaign promise to release the files, probably because he's old, doesn't fully understand the nuance of being buddies with a guy like Epstein, and likely didn't consider that some of his past behavior was sketchy. Also, he seems to think he is made of Teflon and his base is largely a bunch of gullible sheep (though to be fair, after 2 impeachments, a failed insurrection, and getting re-elected, can you really blame him?).
At any rate, he realized he's all over the Epstein files, and it seems that MAGA is obsessed with conspiracies, after all, the idea of the deep state/swamp was quite compelling.
So in a twist of irony, it's all coming crashing down for him. A bright person would not have so many blunders one after another, but perhaps when you're used to the bar being so low, it's easy to let yourself slip bigly.
Trump made it part of his campaign promise to release the files, probably because he's old, doesn't fully understand the nuance of being buddies with a guy like Epstein, and likely didn't consider that some of his past behavior was sketchy. Also, he seems to think he is made of Teflon and his base is largely a bunch of gullible sheep (though to be fair, after 2 impeachments, a failed insurrection, and getting re-elected, can you really blame him?).
At any rate, he realized he's all over the Epstein files, and it seems that MAGA is obsessed with conspiracies, after all, the idea of the deep state/swamp was quite compelling.
So in a twist of irony, it's all coming crashing down for him. A bright person would not have so many blunders one after another, but perhaps when you're used to the bar being so low, it's easy to let yourself slip bigly.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
The problem is that when you look at the evidence and testimony - much of which is publicly available; you start to realize that most of what the public believes about this case is based on the inaccurate algorithmic and meme sludge processed from a mixture of allegations, fabrications and outright, attorney-confirmed fictions from the largest figures who claimed to have been victimized - many of which were made under the context of possible financial gain. Most notably, but not limited to Virgina Giuffre. Who was so not credible she wasn't even called as witness by the prosecution (lead by Maureen Comey, who did such a bang up job with Diddy) in the Maxwell case. The case where the judge instructed jurors not to consider one of the 4 witnesses that were called to testify as a victim of criminal sex acts.
I'm not sure how many people will actually read this, but here's a pretty good summation of a few evidentiary wrinkles:
Julie K. Brown: Groundbreaking Epstein journalist, or ridiculous myth-peddler?
Julie K.
www.mtracey.net
MAXWELL Accuser Sarah Ransome Lied About Trump And Clinton Sex Tapes In Bid For Cash And Attention
SARAH Ransome, best known for appearing on Netflix’s Epstein: Filthy Rich, hid a few inconvenient truths that damage her credibility and reliability as a witness – with Netflix itself s…
themaxwellfiles.wordpress.com
Discredited claims about Clinton, Trump mentioned in latest batch of Epstein docs
The records are part of a defamation lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre, an alleged victim of Epstein, against his longtime companion Ghislaine Maxwell.
abcnews.go.com
Annie Farmer, the Only Ghislaine Maxwell Accusing Witness to Go Public, Testifies Against Her in Sex Trafficking Trial
Ghislaine Maxwell's only alleged victim to self-identify in court told a jury on Thursday that Jeffrey Epstein abused her when she was 16 years old—with Maxwell's help luring her to his ranch.
lawandcrime.com
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Baemono
Gold Member
Like this ? https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...gations-sexual-assault-case-dismissed-1921051
I mean we're talking about someone who tried to overthrow an election, and managed somehow to have his case dismissed after Suprem Court judges decided he had immunity during his presidency, which is a huge farce. We all saw him calling the elections rigged and making sure the results weren't validated in front of the cameras, somehow got away with it and got elected again.
And somehow you still believe if there were something that would convict him, we would've seen it, so if we don't, then he's innocent.
Idleyes
Gold Member
The problem is that when you look at the evidence and testimony - much of which is publicly available; you start to realize that most of what the public believes about this case is based on the inaccurate algorithmic and meme sludge processed from a mixture of allegations, fabrications and outright, attorney-confirmed fictions from the largest figures who claimed to have been victimized - many of which were made under the context of possible financial gain. Most notably, but not limited to Virgina Giuffre. Who was so not credible she wasn't even called as witness by the prosecution (lead by Maureen Comey, who did such a bang up job with Diddy) in the Maxwell case. The case where the judge instructed jurors not to consider one of the 4 witnesses that were called to testify as a victim of criminal sex acts.
I'm not sure how many people will actually read this, but here's a pretty good summation of a few evidentiary wrinkles:
Julie K. Brown: Groundbreaking Epstein journalist, or ridiculous myth-peddler?
Julie K.
MAXWELL Accuser Sarah Ransome Lied About Trump And Clinton Sex Tapes In Bid For Cash And Attention
SARAH Ransome, best known for appearing on Netflix’s Epstein: Filthy Rich, hid a few inconvenient truths that damage her credibility and reliability as a witness – with Netflix itself s…
Discredited claims about Clinton, Trump mentioned in latest batch of Epstein docs
The records are part of a defamation lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre, an alleged victim of Epstein, against his longtime companion Ghislaine Maxwell.
Annie Farmer, the Only Ghislaine Maxwell Accusing Witness to Go Public, Testifies Against Her in Sex Trafficking Trial
Ghislaine Maxwell's only alleged victim to self-identify in court told a jury on Thursday that Jeffrey Epstein abused her when she was 16 years old—with Maxwell's help luring her to his ranch.
You know what's wild? Every time someone gets exposed for doing dirt with the rich and powerful, there's always someone ready to do Olympic-level mental gymnastics to cast doubt, not on the perpetrators, but on the victims. Yes, some stories might be messy, yes, money muddies the waters. But acting like all of it is fiction just because one accuser's credibility got challenged? That's not how pattern recognition, or the justice system, works. Ghislaine was convicted. Epstein highly likely didn't kill himself because he was a pussy. And there's a long trail of shady elite connections. Whether it's Democrats, Republicans, billionaires, celebrities, or an average nigga like myself, anyone involved should be investigated and exposed. Period. If there is nothing there, then there is nothing there.
Trying to spin this into "people just don't understand the nuance" is exactly why public trust is in the toilet. I'm not as stupid as the general public though. I ain't buying the idea that this whole thing was just some misunderstanding. With all due respect brotha, Miss me with the link spam. Epstein had a whole island, had a lot of parties and visitors well after he was registered as a sex offender and continued to do that same shit the whole time. It's worth looking into.
And again, if nothing is there, then nothing is fucking there.
Idleyes
Gold Member
Alright, I gotta apologize, my post above came off way more aggressive than I intended, like I just caught somebody in bed with my wife. ProtoByte, I do respect your opinion there's definitely some truth and value in what you said. I'm just heated because I know dudes doing serious time for way less than the kind of shit Epstein and his circle were tied up in. And no, I'm not playing the race card, fuck the race card, it's just the reality of how the cards keep landing. It gets real frustrating watching how different the system moves depending on who you are.
GudOlRub
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