ZehDon
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Completely valid. I wasn't trying to demonstrate anything more meaningful than even napkin math shows TLOUP2 was successful and couldn't be considered a flop.
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The Last of Us 2 is the best piece of content that I’ve ever consumed (Today is its 5th Anniversary June 19th 2020)
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silvergun0595
Neo Member
It may have exceeded 20m now.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Besides this being extremely unrealistic (see what happened in the real world in 2020 for far less than a zombie pandemic), in TLOU the infected have no impact whatsoever in the new society. They are like wild animals in the background, 99% of the plot is about conflicts between factions. Neil Druckmann is terrible at worldbuilding and he didn't bother to elaborate how these groups would handle living with monsters. For reference, check TWD. It's night and day in showing you how zombies impact everyone's lives. So, bringing up "the cure" (which nobody gave a damn in TLOU 2) would send the clear message that they have run out of ideas.
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Critical Hit
Member
I looked it up and the vaccine was made by an international company and was used all over the world.
In Part II, which is also one of my criticisms, but they fixed it in the tv show afaik.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Same. TLOU2 was just misery porn. The first game had some rays of sunshine.
Basically TLOU2 was Evangelion. GET IN THE ROBOT ELLIE
freemandos
Member
I think Higurashi Gou/Sotsu would be a more accurate anime analogy to the tLoU2 narrative and writing.
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
Exactly why don't they understand this?
Then you would complain like you did with The Order 1886..., what's wrong with bang for buck and nice long quality story?
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Almost 6 years later, you guys repeat the same talking points that are absolutely ridiculous.
Most of Sony's 1st-party games last gen were heavily discounted within 6 months.
Spider-Man 2 was Sony's most expensive game ever.
Their goals
7.2 million copies sold at full price to break even
11.6 million in 12 months.
16.5 million lifetime sales.
The game cost over 300 million to make, so why are their expectations lower than the lifetime sales of Spider-Man 2018?
itshutton
Member
I really liked the Order 1886!
Wish they made a sequel after that big ending reveal.I think the story was strong, but became weaker the longer it dragged on. That is almost always the case in games. Too much filler, not enough plot.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Almost 6 years later, you guys repeat the same talking points that are absolutely ridiculous.
Most of Sony's 1st-party games last gen were heavily discounted within 6 months.
Spider-Man 2 was Sony's most expensive game ever.
Their goals
7.2 million copies sold at full price to break even
11.6 million in 12 months.
16.5 million lifetime sales.
The game cost over 300 million to make, so why are their expectations lower than the lifetime sales of Spider-Man 2018?
You lost me at spider man. Comparing one of the largest IPs in history Vs last of us 2?
Ok, when a product in entertainment is successful they will rush to announce sequels and spin offs.
If you want to discuss why last of us 3 hasn't been announced or actually discuss my points I raised I'm all for it.
No Sonys games aren't normally discounted to 9.99 in 6 months. Do you want to provide evidence?
The game clearly didn't meet expectations.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
I don't get this part, are you saying there was no attempt to show how the differing groups are surviving alongside the infected?? We can already see it with how they wall themselves off into various parts of the city etc, we don't need to see that we can assume they build fortresses or secure areas, this is shown throughout the first 2 games or maybe I'm misreading you chap
Ellery
Member
Say what you want about TLOU2 haters. They may not be rational and they are always strawmanning and gaslighting their way through the discussions, but their dedication to hate and unfair analogies is admirable.
Even years and years after the game actually came out they try to pretend that sales from 2022 or 2023 are a few month after the initial release of the game (which was in 2020 btw lol) and no matter how often they were proven to be wrong in various TLOU2 discussion threads they come back with the same force of stupidity and facts from the last 5 1/2 years.
Some of them even still believe the 4chan "leaks" which were intentionally wrong to spread hate and clickbait.
smh
Even years and years after the game actually came out they try to pretend that sales from 2022 or 2023 are a few month after the initial release of the game (which was in 2020 btw lol) and no matter how often they were proven to be wrong in various TLOU2 discussion threads they come back with the same force of stupidity and facts from the last 5 1/2 years.
Some of them even still believe the 4chan "leaks" which were intentionally wrong to spread hate and clickbait.
smh
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It's not hard to understand. This is an excuse not to provide an answer based on the actual evidence.
I'll ask you again directly.
Why are Sony's sales expectations for Spider-Man 2 LOWER than Spider-Man 2018?
Spider-Man 2018 sold MORE than 11 million in the first year, and it sold MORE than 16 million lifetime sales.
Sony announced sales for The Last of Us Part II multiple times. Neil Duckmann said it was profitable day one and later said it was extremely successful.
Because they're working on a completely different IP. They're not going to announce The Last of Us Part III YEARS before it's in full production.
I responded to your claim here and debunked it. It was within a year.
Every time I provide numbers and data, you guys disappear from the conversation.
That's not proof. This is nothing more than desperation. You still haven't provided evidence.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
It amuses me no end that there are people out there actively hating on a videogame all these years later, not even Veilguard gets this level of hate and it was an abomination of wokeness, as for me TLOU 1 & 2 are absolute masterpieces and Neil Druckman a genius for making me hate a character and then doing a complete 180 and rooting for her, there are not many videogames that get me off the sofa to yell at the TV lol
Gonzito
Gold Member
Fun fact. There is a subreddit which was made specifically to mock TLOU2 and it has almost a hundred thousand members lol
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A.Romero
Member
I think it was profitable. Who knows if at the level they were expecting but there is no way it lost money.
That said, IMO there are many people that didn't even play the game and still hate it which IMO doesn't make sense. It's ok if you don't like the concept or the story beats or whatever and choose not to play it but it definitely doesn't mean it's a bad game.
It has a lot of amazing features and it's a great showcase of engineering. It's biggest flaw it's the pacing I think but other than that is like pissing on FF7 because people think it might be a reference to climate change and you don't believe in climate change.
That said, IMO there are many people that didn't even play the game and still hate it which IMO doesn't make sense. It's ok if you don't like the concept or the story beats or whatever and choose not to play it but it definitely doesn't mean it's a bad game.
It has a lot of amazing features and it's a great showcase of engineering. It's biggest flaw it's the pacing I think but other than that is like pissing on FF7 because people think it might be a reference to climate change and you don't believe in climate change.
HallowedFeast
Neo Member
Didn't the TV show see a dramatic decline in viewership following the death of Joel?
People can be as pretentious about this game as they like, but it's evident that Druckmann's narrative choices don't click with a lot of people.
People can be as pretentious about this game as they like, but it's evident that Druckmann's narrative choices don't click with a lot of people.
JayK47
Member
LOL. Love this thread. I have not played the game and I do not need to. I have already heard the story and characters and no way would I want to play it now. It sounds awful in so many ways. So many people will play utter "modern audience" slop as long as the graphics and gameplay are good. And I have no doubt the graphics and gameplay are amazing.
Gonzito
Gold Member
That's the thing, the gameplay is absolutely fantastic. One of the best in his genre. But the story is just a woke fest. Terrible all around
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NeverYouMind
Member
I piss on FF7 because the narrative is filled with plot holes, world building is weak, and mechanics are boring. I do like the character designs though.
A.Romero
Member
That's ok, for each their own but nobody can say the game is successful and the overall perception of it and all of its components is positive
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
You have to be joking...
Emmy Ator Best
Neo Member
A few months after would be Black Friday 2020 and it was already 29.99 by then. Half-off so quickly doesn't sound like a success to me.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
I didn't mind the story. It's everything else that is just insane. It's too bad so many hated the story cause if you don't mind it(I personally was not attached to Joel), nothing comes close to this game's graphics, animations, and gameplay. I can't imagine how good something like RDR 2 would be if it played like TLOU2.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
God of War 2018 was as low as $17 during Black Friday.
Was the game successful or not?
Yeah I don't understand how people don't get that she has an epiphany at that point. Thinking back to Joel and knowing about Lev only at that point. She realises she has essentially become Abby, the person she hates so much. likely leaving Lev devastated (and possibly Lev seeking revenge later if she were to spare him after). That's when things became clear to her. When she thought about Joel she saw that Abby is Levs "Joel" and she is now just like Abby. She says "just take him" which had a double meaning of taking Joel away from her and telling Abby to take Lev and leave.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Agree with 99.88% of what you said, but let's stop with this everything we do not like is hard/far-right. It is lazy, sloppy, just an excuse to lazily label others and trying to shame them / point them to "our" mob to target. There is centre, there is left, there is right, there is extreme left and extreme right, religious zealots on the left and right, etc… one could bother somewhat if one must label but no, "everything is far right" is the answer, please stop.
Ellery
Member
I think you are right that I shouldn't generalize like that and on a personal spectrum I don't see myself being left at all, but the game is extremely hated on the "right" side of the internet and neogaf is not the beacon of moderate right in the middle views. You can tell when people hate the game out of wrongly perceived ideological reasons and try to hide it by applying scrutiny and measures to TLOU II that they absolute don't care for when they play any other game.
It is already happening again with Intergalactic. Just go look at certain places and what they say about the game and Naughty Dog. The trailer is absolutely amazing, but the talking points are something completely different.
Ironically TLOU II is hated on the far left as well, because Naughty Dog is a crunching "zionist" company under Druckmann that wants to wipe out Palastine or so.
The game is objectively a masterpiece and it sold extremely well no matter if another expert comes in and post an idiotic 50% off black friday sale picture.
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
The IP gets attacked by the alot of the masses because its the trend to hate the best (One of the top awarded in history), people hate without playing, politics, wokeness (sometimes agendas are pushed too much in the media but TLOU 2 was mild with there being 3 LGTBQ people in the game), things that don't go as expected in the game, religion etc.
TLOU 2 is one of those games that pushes gaming into another level, it has a scale that is grand and production value unmatched. I notice that any game that pushes gaming into another level (scale, subject matter, cinematic presentation, production value or loved by critics) is hated or mocked by the masses or hivemind internet trolls until years later, MGS2, The Order 1886 etc.
There is an obvious organized agenda to attack TLOU 2, from the games to the show (I do understand some of the shows criticism, but it is still a top tier show in general).
‘The Last Of Us Part 2’ Is Getting Predictably User Score Bombed On Metacritic
The Last of Us Part 2 is getting mobbed by user scores on Metacritic, which we all should have seen coming.
www.forbes.com
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Ellery
Member
Yeah I remember also huge parts of right winged 4chan manipulating the The Game Awards User Vote for game of the year where they collectively voted for Ghost of Tsushima (a fitting game where a native born slaughters thousands of foreign invaders), because they were triggered hard by Abby and Ellie and felt like the Death of Joel was symbolic for "white replacement theory".The IP gets attacked by the alot of the masses because its the trend to hate the best (One of the top awarded in history), people hate without playing, politics, wokeness (sometimes agendas are pushed too much in the media but TLOU 2 was mild with there being 3 LGTBQ people in the game), things that don't go as expected in the game, religion etc.
TLOU 2 is one of those games that pushes gaming into another level, it has a scale that is grand and production value unmatched. I notice that any game that pushes gaming into another level (scale, subject matter, cinematic presentation, production value or loved by critics) is hated or mocked by the masses or hivemind internet trolls until years later, MGS2, The Order 1886 etc.
There is an obvious organized agenda to attack TLOU 2, from the games to the show (I do understand some of the shows criticism, but it is still a top tier show in general).
‘The Last Of Us Part 2’ Is Getting Predictably User Score Bombed On Metacritic
The Last of Us Part 2 is getting mobbed by user scores on Metacritic, which we all should have seen coming.
Basically on the same day members on the left spectrum thought Naughty Dog was right wing racists, because of how one of the black people (Isaac Nixon) were treated in the game.
Criticism is fine. I have a few things of my own I dislike about TLOU2 like a highly pregnant woman storming into battle at one point or the overall unclean cut of the game segments which could've been handled a little bit better. Also I personally would've probably split the game into 3 parts where you actually start with Joel or Joel and Ellie or Joel and Tommy and have a smaller Abby part.
On top of that the game is extremely dark and spiraling into the abyss which I didn't mind, because I didn't expect an Animal Crossing or Peach's Wonderful Adventure kinda game, but it made some people depressed.
A lot of hate for this game is coming from Incel Energy and whether they like it or not it is extremely easy to tell.
Topher
Identifies as young
The IP gets attacked by the alot of the masses because its the trend to hate the best (One of the top awarded in history), people hate without playing, politics, wokeness (sometimes agendas are pushed too much in the media but TLOU 2 was mild with there being 3 LGTBQ people in the game), things that don't go as expected in the game, religion etc.
TLOU 2 is one of those games that pushes gaming into another level, it has a scale that is grand and production value unmatched. I notice that any game that pushes gaming into another level (scale, subject matter, cinematic presentation, production value or loved by critics) is hated or mocked by the masses or hivemind internet trolls until years later, MGS2, The Order 1886 etc.
There is an obvious organized agenda to attack TLOU 2, from the games to the show (I do understand some of the shows criticism, but it is still a top tier show in general).
‘The Last Of Us Part 2’ Is Getting Predictably User Score Bombed On Metacritic
The Last of Us Part 2 is getting mobbed by user scores on Metacritic, which we all should have seen coming.
I think the "hate" of the game is from a very loud, but small minority. I didn't care for the show myself, but that is primarily because of casting.