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Jeff Kaplan is sick of hearing you demonize games you weren't going to play anyway: 'Shut the fuck up. No one cares.'

I don't get where the notion of not talking about games there's no intention of buying I mean that's like saying there's 1000s of types of vehicles and outside of the single 1 2 or 3 I have for myself and wife, I can't speak of or have an opinion or talk about other cars pros or cons.. Where did this nonsense come from?

It really seems like it's backed by folks that truly genuinely can't stand to hear anything negative about something they like, am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong... until you get kicked in the balls and does a full review of it just shut up about this whole "being kicked in the balls looks terrible and I dont want any of it" ... you didnt experienced so clearly you have nothing to say about it.


This thread is the definition of what toxic positivity is and why the western gaming industry is flushing itself trough the toilet one turd at a time.

And as always :

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I thought us core-gamers were irrelevant, that they didn't need or want us ...that we were powerless, insignificant, incels. 🤔

This whole "message" that gamers are just hateful and toxic, that some parts of the industry try to push, is so retarded that it hurts my brain.

When I read GAF I seldom see true hate, just passionate gamers that desperately want good games. If you filter out the corporate fanboys and read between the lines - there's tons of genuine sadness and love to be found for this wonderful hobby. And as they say "All is fair in love and war".

Instead of complaining about what's happening maybe they should ask themselves why it's happening.

But sure, it would probably be nice if we just spread them ass-cheeks and hand over our money while we sing kumbaya as you enshitten our games.

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Also this.
 
People just can't let things die through indifference. If I don't care for something I move on.

If you have genuine constructive criticism and present that like a rational adult I'm sure developers would thank you for your feedback. But if you're going to post the sort of driveby thoughtless shitpost made up of the negative buzzwords of the moment (current #1: "slop"), don't expect anyone to take you seriously as a customer.

I'd wager that the sort of hyper-cynicism seen on GAF by some is the sort of thing he's talking about. But those people are too cynical to even consider that it could be anything except not wanting any negative feedback at all.
 
He can't stop me from demonizing whatever I want.

I don't need to eat shit to know it will taste like shit... Or If I'm at an airport and I see an airplane with no wings I must warn other ppl even If it isn't my airplane.
 
Sure Jeff and I'm sick of Western developers who can't exist outside of their safe space, toxic positivity, echo chamber. So shut the fuck up and learn to take criticism like an adult or watch as your game and/or studio goes belly up and you're next in the unemployment line.
 
Telling your clients to shut the f up, no one cares has always worked wonders!

I guess he just made sure his Legends of California has as much success as the amazing 1348 Ex voto
 
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It's a shame because I was genuinely excited to see Jeff back in the scene and with such a force. But then to go off the deep end and tell gamers to 'STFU' just kind of killed the excitement. And to do it on the reveal stream of your new game…

It's just a bad attitude to have and wrecks the look of your project from the start.

Imagine Miyamoto coming out and saying something like this when demoing the next Mario game, or Hideo with OD and Miyazaki with the next Soft game.

They wouldn't.

It reeks of incompetence.
 
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People just can't let things die through indifference. If I don't care for something I move on.

If you have genuine constructive criticism and present that like a rational adult I'm sure developers would thank you for your feedback. But if you're going to post the sort of driveby thoughtless shitpost made up of the negative buzzwords of the moment (current #1: "slop"), don't expect anyone to take you seriously as a customer.

I'd wager that the sort of hyper-cynicism seen on GAF by some is the sort of thing he's talking about. But those people are too cynical to even consider that it could be anything except not wanting any negative feedback at all.
I just think it's simply the way of life, hell even reading pizza reviews you see the same type of comments, anything that has brands associated with it is like this is my main point.

This Kaplan just sounds mad cuz like someone these are things said when it isn't going well. I'm sorry but just the name "legends of California" sounds fucking dumb and not a game I can guarantee I'll have any interest in but when it launches if it's another CCU buffet I'll happily enjoy 😅
 
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It's a shame because I was genuinely excited to see Jeff back in the scene and with such a force. But then to go off the deep end and tell gamers to 'STFU' just kind of killed the excitement. And to do it on the reveal stream of your new game…

It's just a bad attitude to have and wrecks the look of your project from the start.
Just for full context here, Jeff said this one statement during a 10 hour stream where he was testing the alpha version of his game and having a relaxing talk with the chat.

PC Gamer (or whoever they might have sourced from) scoured the entire thing, clipped out that one moment, then they wrote a whole sensationalist article about it while additionally painting a picture about his past actions.

And Jeff is the one who's the problem?
 
Just for full context here, Jeff said this one statement during a 10 hour stream where he was testing the alpha version of his game and having a relaxing talk with the chat.

PC Gamer (or whoever they might have sourced from) scoured the entire thing, clipped out that one moment, then they wrote a whole sensationalist article about it while additionally painting a picture about his past actions.

And Jeff is the one who's the problem?
No, you're right. It is the journalist that are mostly to blame in almost all of these type of situations.
 
Gamers having big ego problems as always, he isn't talking about you if your opinion is "Meh not interested, doesn't seem appealing to me" or if you have opinionated arguments that are valid to have as a potential customer.

He is talking about schizos on social media that are hate screeching about anything and everything that doesn't fit into their world view.
If you feel talked to, do some introspection
 
Hey this makes no sense. Here's why.

When people attack a game they are not doing is so the game will be changed. That naïve. That's old school, ancient.

Today people attack games because they didn't want them to be made to begin with or they want them to shut down or fail.

Do you think anyone is attacking Marathon because they want a game feature slightly altered? No, they want the game to fail. So who cares if the devs listen or not? They are not really the ones who are being lobbied here. It's the zeitgeist making the game look like a failure that is the goal. And flooding the zone with FUD is the method for that, not trying to get some game dev to give a shit. That is not a strategy that is employed, so I think he is a bit naïve. Or rather he is trying to project some control over a chaotic and sad scenario. In the past people wanted your gaas changed. Now they want it gone. It's a sad and strange state of affairs, but it's where we've landed.
 
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He gets it, this is exactly how you must treat these people. Never give them any serious consideration, never validate, never try to discuss anything, just ruthlessly mock and ridicule if you even acknowledge them at all.
 
Just for full context here, Jeff said this one statement during a 10 hour stream where he was testing the alpha version of his game and having a relaxing talk with the chat.

PC Gamer (or whoever they might have sourced from) scoured the entire thing, clipped out that one moment, then they wrote a whole sensationalist article about it while additionally painting a picture about his past actions.

And Jeff is the one who's the problem?
I shit talk when playing games too. I don't take what Jeff said seriously.

Feels like a gotcha from the journos.
 


Last week, former Blizzard vice president and game designer Jeff Kaplan made his first public appearance since leaving the World of Warcraft and Overwatch developer in 2021, revealing his independent game studio, Kintsugiyama, and its upcoming frontier survival game, The Legend of California.

Days later, Kaplan continued that momentum with a casual 10-hour stream of a pre-alpha Legend of California build. While showing off the work Kintsugiyama has done so far, Kaplan flexed some of the newfound PR freedom he enjoyed in his recent retelling of his departure from Blizzard, speaking bluntly about his distaste for the dysfunction and hostility in discussions surrounding recent game launches.



"I understand voicing your opinion," Kaplan said as the stream entered its ninth hour. "But like, if a game comes out and you don't want to play it and you've never played it, shut the fuck up. No one cares. We don't need to hear that you weren't into it."

Kaplan, who owes his career in game development in part to his own, often-harsh shitposting about EverQuest design decisions, acknowledged that he's "given it out at times." But crucially, he said, his circa 2000 EQ1 design takedowns were at least motivated by having played the game in the first place. In contrast, he says the "nerd baby rage" from online hatemongers isn't even worth acknowledging, "because you're so off the deep end that it's not even worth listening to you."


"There are certain forums or Reddits or whatever where it's just like, yeah, that one's on ignore from now on. They're not actually productive in any way," Kaplan said. "It's just who can get the most points by being outraged. I'm bored with it."

Tim Ford, Kaplan's fellow former Blizzard dev and Kintsugiyama co-founder, echoed his opinion, saying that "it's not impressive" to be as awful as possible about something that isn't to your liking.

"It's not difficult to shit on something," Ford said on-stream. "Apparently, it takes a ton of courage to say, 'Hey, I actually like this thing. I don't care that you don't like it. I like it.'"

He's right.
 
Of course you have to filter constructive criticism and dumb hating.
But having a tantrum about you would not have played it anyway without asking why, is exactly why all those "the internal feedback was good"-flops exist. Instead of really taking the risk of showing it to critical (sometimes certainly cynical) people, they only want to live in a yes man world, with uselss positivity and then are genuinely surprised that the general public not only ignores that "gem" but actively shitposts it every chance they get. Mediocre stuff was okay in the past, but isn't anymore, especially if it is a high budget (gaas) project and is done instead of other work one expected from an involved tradional sp studio.
 
Couldn't agree with him more, the perpetual whining is fucking brutal.
After a decade of slumping sales, record studio closures, core fan backlash, and a booming cottage industry of media that is capitalizing on a slew of unpopular gaming failures, you would think a massive course correction would have already happened.

If what is happening to videos games was occurring in any other industry, this stuff would be corrected by now.
 
Between this and what he said on Lex Fridman's podcast, he sounds like he should be nowhere near a leadership role ever again:

I got called into the CFO's office and he sits me down and says, he gives me a date, which at the time was 2020 and was going to slip to to 2021, but at the time it was 2020, and he said "Overwatch has to make [redacted] in 2020, and then every year after that it needs a recurring revenue of [redacted]". And he says to me "if it doesn't do [redacted] dollars, we're gonna lay off 1000 people and that's gonna be on you." And that was just the biggest fuck you moment in my career.

By not caring about the business side of game development, you are putting the livelihood of everybody who works under you at risk. Thousands of people. So yeah Kaplan, you should care. And fuck you.
 
He is right. It's ok to say you don't like a game in case you didn't play it, or to provide constructive criticism after having played it.

But it's true that there are certain people obsesively spam hate to games they never played and never were going to play in any case. And that only creates bad mood, and in certain cases damages games and companies to the point sometimes they get shut down, so many of these devs stop making games, both the ones disliked by the haters but also the ones liked by the haters.

The useful feedback for a dev is the one from players experienced in that type of game, and in particular those who played it and help improving knowing what they are talking about, particularly with tweaks and changes that are affordable with the post launch budget and resources available (in many cases devs are aware that some change or addition would greatly benefit the game but can't implement it due to available budget/time/resources).
 


Last week, former Blizzard vice president and game designer Jeff Kaplan made his first public appearance since leaving the World of Warcraft and Overwatch developer in 2021, revealing his independent game studio, Kintsugiyama, and its upcoming frontier survival game, The Legend of California.

Days later, Kaplan continued that momentum with a casual 10-hour stream of a pre-alpha Legend of California build. While showing off the work Kintsugiyama has done so far, Kaplan flexed some of the newfound PR freedom he enjoyed in his recent retelling of his departure from Blizzard, speaking bluntly about his distaste for the dysfunction and hostility in discussions surrounding recent game launches.



"I understand voicing your opinion," Kaplan said as the stream entered its ninth hour. "But like, if a game comes out and you don't want to play it and you've never played it, shut the fuck up. No one cares. We don't need to hear that you weren't into it."

Telling people on the internet to STFU has never worked before, but maybe this time it will work for him.
 
You're no fun, Jeff. I love shitting on GTA and COD.

I find drive-by console warring to be more annoying than bashing specific games. Like, you'll always find someone who doesn't have a Switch 2 - but plays on PS5 or PC - wasting their time replying (trolling) content for Switch 2 games. Too many people have never heard the saying, "Blowing out someone else's candle doesn't make yours burn brighter."
 
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Preorders based on launch trailers. Review embargoes. Review codes to friendly outlets. Social media community managers and PR teams. In some cases (first party for instance) the pubs charge more and more for online access to fund shit games or recoup losses. In other cases the same devs who don't want the audience giving honest feedback shit all over the audience.

But oh my sides why would the audience ever comment if they aren't singing praise and nothing else?
 
After a decade of slumping sales, record studio closures, core fan backlash, and a booming cottage industry of media that is capitalizing on a slew of unpopular gaming failures, you would think a massive course correction would have already happened.

If what is happening to videos games was occurring in any other industry, this stuff would be corrected by now.
Hollywood "Am I a joke to you ?"
 
I am not really into shooting games( rarely play them), so if I go and shout how much I dislike a shooting game in their threads, it's simply unemployed behaviour. He isn't wrong, if you aren't into a game, why continuously shout that
 
I would be susceptible to this argument but I don't have memory loss. I have seen this argument before but I heard plenty of complaining from PC Gamer etc about Hogwarts Legacy. I don't personally go out of my way to dunk on games I have no interest in playing, but of course I don't want games with heavy micro transactions to succeed because it has repercussions for all games. I didn't buy that horse armor, but I criticized it back in the day and we are living with the consequences now. People are doing the same thing with AI now wanting it to fail whether they use it or not.
 
Perhaps we misunderstood his arguments and he was referring to wokies potentially hating on his game for not pushing their hateful "message"?
But since he's too chicken shit to call out a specific group, his vague rent instead offended anyone and everyone at once. Jeff, if you can't be specific in your rants, don't do it.

Btw his game looks pretty unappealing on first look. That's bad for him and I'm sure he's now very aware that it didn't hit with his usual audience.
 
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This guy was pretty based for a day or two after talking shit about Blizzard, and then goes around and pulls the typical corporate "stop being critical and just buy product" nonsense now that he has a game to peddle.

Dumb move.
 
If you seriously think that people don't have a right to discuss games that they don't intend to play and have to shut their mouths, then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THE WEST HAS FALLEN INTO THE HANDS OF DEGENERATES. YOU ARE THE REASON WHY EVIL EXIST IN THIS WORLD.

And the discussion works both ways. I will most likely never play Claire Obscure: Expedition 33. I don't enjoy playing turn based games. But I can sure as hell praise it's nice visual design, well designed characters, intriguing story and so on. And all that just by watching some gameplay videos, reviews, etc. I don't have to play Dragon Age: The Veilguard to know that it's a retarded game made by degenerates for degenerates. And I have every right to voice my opinion.
 
Just for full context here, Jeff said this one statement during a 10 hour stream where he was testing the alpha version of his game and having a relaxing talk with the chat.

PC Gamer (or whoever they might have sourced from) scoured the entire thing, clipped out that one moment, then they wrote a whole sensationalist article about it while additionally painting a picture about his past actions.

And Jeff is the one who's the problem?
Yea theyre both the problem
 
I always think when I hear quotes of this nature how it's ironic but also how it's more about certain individuals looking to protect their money, or bet said, their perceived chance of earning people's money.
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