AnathemicOne
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As both Chinese and Filipino I say, "Well fuck off already Duterte."
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Time to say goodbye, Duterte tells US during visit to China
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Are you Maduro? Empire? What Empire? The closest thing to an empire, as in a country invading others and subjugating them, is Russia.
SuperStiltzkin
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The fuck is wrong with you? Police in both countries abuse their power. The difference is that one president gave them permission and actively encourages them to and the other didn't.
Sunster
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maybe US isn't the dictionary definition of an empire but having over 900 military bases in other countries around the world is kinda ridiculous.
"It sucks"? We're talking about fucking mass murder by death squads.
AnathemicOne
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eyeball_kid
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He's rather naive if he thinks China will treat the Philippines better than the United States does. Then again, China definitely wouldn't speak out on his human rights crimes, as they have their own violations to protect.
The typical U.S. playbook would be to have the CIA assassinate him and set up a new government, but I don't think that's likely in this case.
The typical U.S. playbook would be to have the CIA assassinate him and set up a new government, but I don't think that's likely in this case.
Dubbedinenglish
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Extra
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Killings
With
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Process.
Then you come back and want to talk about police brutality...Come on dude, get real
DorkLord54
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I mean, the US is, for the most part, an empire, albeit a soft one whose power is legitimised through its ability to project its military worldwide instead of through direct occupation, and the dissemination and consumption of its culture throughout much of the world. That said, the guy's obviously more focused on the end of American imperialism than s/he is on realistic politics.
titiklabingapat
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Duterte is the Trump of the Philippines. And instead of Russia manipulating him, it's China in his case.
Barajas_201
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Oh my sweet summer child. Please look up the history of the U.S, and Maduro isn't even the person that started the whole empire thing, it was in fact, ironically, Americans like Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky but nice attempt at a passive-aggressive commie comparison.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but that comparison is insulting to Trump.
He pretty much already is one, with his policies encouraging vigilante witchhunting bullshit in his own country.
The other ASEAN nations having been simultaneously courting both the US and China, and Philippines was one of the lone countries that just stuck with the US. If the US will continue to give military aid (which is likely) and other support, due to the importance of the Philippines, there is economic sense in courting China:
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...ch-american-ally-falling-chinese-camp-rodrigo
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...ch-american-ally-falling-chinese-camp-rodrigo
IdreamofHIME
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Don't the Philippines have competing claims with China over the South China Sea?
I think China's aim is to support this guy and invest in the country in exchange for all that water and islands.
The US is a liberal form of empire. We just haven't had a rival like the USSR for such a long time that it's not as obvious unless we do stupid stuff like invade Iraq.
Admiral Woofington
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Do I point the issue of calling him out for passive aggressive crap while using the most passive aggressive 'my sweet summer child' lol
Tallshortman
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All of which except for Guantanamo are by invite of the host country? So once again what empire?
Sunster
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They asked us for a base? or we asked them? and why do we need them again?
FlutterPuffs
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fucking hell please.
And he really is the worst. Basically an asian Trump.
Wait, he's actually worse.
UnemployedVillain
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Holy shit, Taiwan don't fuck around. They destroyed Duterte
Trojita
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Some posters say the dumbest things.
Tallshortman
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Are you asking me to list every single base in the world? Of course it's a mix of both, which I'm sure you're aware of. Why we need them is debatable but you have yet to answer how this constitutes the US as an empire. Having bases in completely sovereign countries does not fit the definition of empire.
If Duerte wants to break the defense pact he can do so, I have no issue with him taking the defense of his country upon himself while saving us tax dollars.
Sunster
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Having military presence worldwide is pretty empire like.
he is going to Putin next, goodbye US
'He'a naive if he thinks anyone will treat the Phillipines as well as the US does'
'The CIA should assassinate him and set up a puppet government'
Tallshortman
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Empire is defined by control of territory, which military bases are not since they are in entirely sovereign countries which the US would withdraw from by request. If the bases were used for essentially puppet control of countries/territory then that would be an empire, but they aren't.
andythinkpad
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Xi Jinping was heard speaking in the background, "Who is pivoting to Asia now, motherfucker?"
agentofatlas
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Dude should just shut the fuck up. He also brought Marcos with him on his trip to Beijing. Can't believe people voted for this guy.
Sunster
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Remember my 1st post where I said we weren't the dictionary definition of an empire? I do. We share a quality with an empire. So offended by the word empire? Fine, we are not an empire but our bases are grossly unnecessary and are widely protested all over the world by the citizens of their host countries.
He didnt even condemn the police killings in the USA, he just used it to retort back at Obama after the latter criticized him for everything.
Yeah, he's always been chummy with China. A lot of his supporters tend to downplay that, especially since they would rather trade the contested waters for infrastructure.
It's dumb really. People are willing to give up their sovereignty for an idol they worship or for infrastructure projects that our government can implement on their own or without giving up contestand lands
Yeah China doesn't interfere with other countries at all
Now now, some Chinese sailors must've stopped on those originally 10 foot wide rocks while sailing 6 centuries ago. This means the islands are theirs and they can spend hundreds of millions of dollars reclaiming land and turning them into military airstrips and army bases.
China is so laughable when it comes to their propaganda. When they get upset they start to sound as batshit insane as North Korea. If China wants to play the historical card, they would transfer half of their land to modern Mongolia. Duterte and the Philippines are going to cry for this. They finally dealt a blow to China using international law and yet will completely disregard this and affect their own self interest going forward. You reap what you sow.
Frozenprince
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Because thanks to the US having such a wide reaching military. It's allowed the EU and many other nations and nation States to all but ignore their own military engagements. The US functions as a global army.
Tallshortman
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The large if not vast majority of bases have majority support by citizens in those countries. Because there are some protests does not mean the majority of the country does not support bases. Besides Guantanamo, no US base has been kept open after the host country asked the US to leave.
Whether they're necessary is another question. If you're against bases for cost or some other use of resource, fine. Just don't insinuate they're being kept against the will of host countries.
eyeball_kid
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Uh, I did not say the CIA should do that, that's just the historical strategic move. We have a vastly different relationship with the Philippines than most of those examples. It's not like the population there overwhelmingly likes the U.S. for no reason. The only move we really have is to kill Duterte with kindness and make it impossible for him politically to cut ties with America.
Ding ding ding.
Regardless of what you think of the man, this is a devastating blow to us interests in the area, crippling access to veitnam, Singapore, and Thailand in fell swoop. Xi must be throwing parties all night due to this dude's asshatery. So much of the pivot to Asia was centered on our long lasting friendship with the Philippines just staying like it is that we took for granted how unstable the region can be. If we end up killing tpp now the pivot is effectively dead in the water.
All the grandstanding from china and all it took was a thin skinned jackass from a solid ally to blow the entire region up. Funny world we live in sometimes...
All the grandstanding from china and all it took was a thin skinned jackass from a solid ally to blow the entire region up. Funny world we live in sometimes...
people voted on him for his antidrugs crusade, I don't think people realized he was antiUS too lol
JinjoUnchained
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Let's hope President Hillary doesn't start the Spanish American War Part 2 over this. We've seen her rattle sabres over lesser provocations.
i imagine this is why Europe is watching the US election so intently.
meh I don't think she would mess with this part of the region that is warming up to China and Russia
Frozenprince
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We have way, way, way, way, way, way more stop gaps in place that would prevent something like this from happening.
A US sitting president could never convene death squads.
I'm more talking about a certain thin skinned orange guy causing instability in Europe based on his talk about pulling out of NATO, etc.
Chaos2Frozen
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You gotta suspect something when the guy is allying himself with the country that's invading its territorial waters and supplying the drugs to his own people.
HideyoshiJP
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And we're gonna make them pay for it! Or something...
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