“Side Hustle” as a Sign of the Apocalypse

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Very funny and as an older Millenial, I do get sick how our generation is told to have tons of jobs just to even enjoy life.

Hilarious take on this.

I don't hate side hustles, but if you're creating an economy where they are required, you know you fucked up as a society.

“These days, everyone needs a side hustle,” starts the Uber commercial recruiting new drivers. And it’s got bouncy music and the dude is hip and it makes it sound like this is super fun and I’m sitting there thinking: Are they seriously trying to make a “second job” sound like a sexy thing!? “it’s not my second job, it’s my mistress occupation.” Next, we’ll just start saying bipolar people have a side personality.

And WTF has happened to our culture when we just take it as fact that everyone needs to have multiple jobs and work as a cab driver and rent out every square inch of space in their apartment and be a task rabbit gopher who waits in line for tickets when they’re not walking dogs or temping and we all just chalk it up to “progress”??? In the old days, this meant your life was falling apart. Now it just means you’re part of “the sharing economy.”

Best line?

"We’re letting our lives be dictated by brogrammers who want to breastfeed forever"

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https://medium.com/sandpapersuit/side-hustle-as-a-sign-of-the-apocalypse-e7027a889fc2#.1dc6j5cbm
 
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hahahaha. I work at a radio station and we have to read this copy all the time. It's great to see a thread about it. It's the absolute worst.
 
sort of related to this is a commercial from aflac about a guy who breaks his leg in a skiing accident and is made fun of because everyone says he'll have to move back in with his parents because he can't afford not working during his recovery. the ending joke is then one of the ski patrol guys saying "i never left my parents' house."

it's just really disturbing and unsettling how income inequality and not having insurance is the new reality and instead of doing something to address it, we have just accepted it.

The commercial, if you're interested.
 
If you have a fairly equal society and a good safety net, "side hussle" is completely fine and in fact preferable to obligatory hussle, which is an inderect form of servitude.

Side hussle out of want rather than out of need is a proper social goal to achieve.

The technology that favors it is great, it's social inequalities and the lack of safety nets that makes it look socially undesirable.

The blame here is highly misplaced, much like the wage debate.
 
Side effect of the counter-culture movement against office and corporate jobs that has been building for the last couple of decades. Young people don't think it's cool to have a "real" job and nobody wants to work in retail or food service so you have this burgeoning market of low entry service jobs for people to move in and out of as they feel like it.

It's almost like the hip, urban version of seasonal farm work or day labor construction. The suggestion that this should be a second job on top of some other one is kinda ridiculous though; they might as well just come out and say "Yeah, you can't make a living doing this".
 
Basically a programmer who goes a bit off the deep end in expressing he's not a 'nerd' by overindulging in his machismo. At least that's the usual context I've heard it used.

Basically a programmer that isn't a stereotypical "nerd." Usually going out of their way to make sure you know they aren't like other programmers.

So he gives the junior developer wedgies to do all his coding for him while he bangs the receptionist.
 
What exactly is wrong with using some of your free time to earn a little extra cash outside of your main job? I like to hunt for records and resell them online. Call it a side hustle or whatever, I call it a bonus check.
 
What exactly is wrong with using some of your free time to earn a little extra cash outside of your main job? I like to hunt for records and resell them online. Call it a side hustle or whatever, I call it a bonus check.
It's in the article lol
 
I work full time and I'm one class short of being a full time student. Unfortunately, even though I agree with OP, more and more I'm convinced I need another source of income. Debt piling up and living paycheck to paycheck fucking sucks.

Anyone have a recommended side hustle? Can't do deliveries since I sold my car, and no restaurants would hire someone who can only work weekends -_-
 
If you have a fairly equal society and a good safety net, "side hussle" is completely fine and in fact preferable to obligatory hussle, which is an inderect form of servitude.

Side hussle out of want rather than out of need is a proper social goal to achieve.

The technology that favors it is great, it's social inequalities and the lack of safety nets that makes it look socially undesirable.

The blame here is highly misplaced, much like the wage debate.

Have to agree with this. While I agree that the article is both hilarious and right in pointing out that we have blatant signs of social degradation, the blame on technology (though also blamed on unchecked capitalism) sounds a bit luddite. Technology doesn't suck away your time. Automation isn't bad. The unchecked gap between owners and renters/subscribers is.
 
What exactly is wrong with using some of your free time to earn a little extra cash outside of your main job? I like to hunt for records and resell them online. Call it a side hustle or whatever, I call it a bonus check.

Meh.

My "side hustle" paid for my wedding and my honeymoon, and I learn more during my freelance/independent work than I do at my 9-5. My clients bring challenging problems that aren't things I'd come across normally in my week to week work and it's made me a much, much better developer.

I run a small web development agency on the side, with about 10 or so consistent clients. When working on a project, which is usually 1-2 months, there are times when I'd rather not be doing it, but for the most part, I really like doing good projects... When development is going well, it's like putting together a puzzle and I enjoy it. Learning while doing is a great way to learn. Of course when I have a shitty project that pays well, sure, I don't want to work on that and I'd rather do something else... But those aren't as often.

There's nothing broken about doing that, and it enables me to enjoy some of the finer things.

There's a difference between what you're doing, which is making money off a hobby or specific skill, and feeling you have to do something you don't like doing just to make end's meet.
 
Meh.

My "side hustle" paid for my wedding and my honeymoon, and I learn more during my freelance/independent work than I do at my 9-5. My clients bring challenging problems that aren't things I'd come across normally in my week to week work and it's made me a much, much better developer.

I run a small web development agency on the side, with about 10 or so consistent clients. When working on a project, which is usually 1-2 months, there are times when I'd rather not be doing it, but for the most part, I really like doing good projects... When development is going well, it's like putting together a puzzle and I enjoy it. Learning while doing is a great way to learn. Of course when I have a shitty project that pays well, sure, I don't want to work on that and I'd rather do something else... But those aren't as often.

There's nothing broken about doing that, and it enables me to enjoy some of the finer things.

These tech companies position themselves as heroes. They talk about "changing the world" constantly. Yet all they do is churn out technology for rich, white dudes in their 20s/30s who live in big cities and want apps to fill in the blanks for what mommy used to do.
Mommy used to pick me up from soccer practice. A: Uber.
Mommy used to do my laundry. A: Flycleaners.
Mommy used to clean my room. A: Handy.
Mommy used to buy me groceries. A: Blue Apron.
Mommy used to cook me food. A: Seamless.

This is ridiculous. This article is just a new anti-millenial bull shit piece. The "best line" according to the OP it fucking stupid, irrelevant, and untrue.
 
I work full time and I'm one class short of being a full time student. Unfortunately, even though I agree with OP, more and more I'm convinced I need another source of income. Debt piling up and living paycheck to paycheck fucking sucks.

Anyone have a recommended side hustle? Can't do deliveries since I sold my car, and no restaurants would hire someone who can only work weekends -_-

Nah man, hit up a Waffle House. I had a couple of friends who worked there just weekends only as a "side hustle". They need all the help they can get with the heavy business from drunks throughout the weekend.

I know plenty of people who hold a second job. Or give plasma. It's not easy out there.
 
It began by dismantling the single income family. It proceeds to the single job dual income family. Now it's multiple job dual income family. What's next? Serfdom?
 
What exactly is wrong with using some of your free time to earn a little extra cash outside of your main job? I like to hunt for records and resell them online. Call it a side hustle or whatever, I call it a bonus check.

The moment it becomes wrong is when it becomes a social norm to have this side job and a near requirement to survive.
 
There's a difference between what you're doing, which is making money off a hobby or specific skill, and feeling you have to do something you don't like doing just to make end's meet.

Yeah, and there's a massive difference between the crap article in the OP -- which you're apparently defending -- and reality.

The article is just a typical millenial or programmer stereotype junk piece, I'm surprised it resonates with people here. "We're too lazy/stupid/spoiled to do our own laundry/cook dinner/etc so we feed into the 'side hustle' economy." I take Uber's because I don't want to drink and drive. My wife and I use Blue Apron because it gives us opportunities to cook new meals for ourselves that we like. There's nothing "brogrammer" about this or any idea that I'm "breastfeeding forever." I don't even know what that means.
 
Uber is running shit like this because they're trying to convince people they're a side independent contracting company and not your actual employer and certainly have never been successfully sued over it in other countries because the only way to make actual cash off it is to make it your full time employ
 
Yeah, and there's a massive difference between the crap article in the OP -- which you're apparently defending -- and my reality.

The article is just a typical millenial or programmer stereotype junk piece, I'm surprised it resonates with people here.

FTFY. This seems like a "I have it fine, other people must do as well," post. The article isn't talking about collecting records to sell or running a small programming firm, it's talking about having to rent out your house to AirBNB or make a pittance driving for Uber.

It's not a great article, in fact it's quite poorly written and full of hyperbole; but the 'sharing economy' has a real downside and it's affecting many people today. Saying that just because you personally run your own business doesn't give you any more insight into the issue than I have since they're not the same thing.
 
Meh.

My "side hustle" paid for my wedding and my honeymoon, and I learn more during my freelance/independent work than I do at my 9-5. My clients bring challenging problems that aren't things I'd come across normally in my week to week work and it's made me a much, much better developer.

I run a small web development agency on the side, with about 10 or so consistent clients. When working on a project, which is usually 1-2 months, there are times when I'd rather not be doing it, but for the most part, I really like doing good projects... When development is going well, it's like putting together a puzzle and I enjoy it. Learning while doing is a great way to learn. Of course when I have a shitty project that pays well, sure, I don't want to work on that and I'd rather do something else... But those aren't as often.

There's nothing broken about doing that, and it enables me to enjoy some of the finer things.



This is ridiculous. This article is just a new anti-millenial bull shit piece. The "best line" according to the OP it fucking stupid, irrelevant, and untrue.
You're running a business. You're not using Uber or AirBnB to maintain a standard of living.
 
Nah man, hit up a Waffle House. I had a couple of friends who worked there just weekends only as a "side hustle". They need all the help they can get with the heavy business from drunks throughout the weekend.

I know plenty of people who hold a second job. Or give plasma. It's not easy out there.

Thanks! Maybe there are some in my area.

Regarding side hustles, I have dabbled in:
-Flipping video games
-Flipping electronics
-Flipping designer clothes
-Door to door labor work soliciting
-Commission only sales jobs on the side
-Sold my belongs when bills piled up

The number 1 thing though was reducing my expenses. I sold my car, cancelled a few subscriptions, moved somewhere with cheaper rent. At this point I pay rent/utilities, groceries, and for school out of pocket. Everything else goes to debts.

Thankfully I have a retirement fund and health savings account through my employer, or else I wouldn't be able to manage the pennies left over to save anything. As it is, I barely have $20 to get me through the last few days before my bi-weekly check.

I don't know how anyone can be independent in today's world. I assumed I would have received financial aid, but I was denied, so instead of taking loans, I'm paying it out of pocket. Even without that, i'd only have 30% of my income left over, and I'm making an okay amount more than minimum wage.

It just gets to a point that you think that you have to manage it better, and sacrifice more, but then the reality that things are just very expensive hits you in the face and you realize that you need to look into uber driving.
 
FTFY. This seems like a "I have it fine, other people must do as well," post. The article isn't talking about collecting records to sell or running a small programming firm, it's talking about having to rent out your house to AirBNB or make a pittance driving for Uber.

No, it doesn't seem like "I have it fine there for others are doing well." When I am talking about my own experience, I don't need to couch it in "... maybe this isn't like how it is for everybody," I'm simply relaying my experience. The article in the OP is criticizing people who have and contribute to "side hustles." The article in the OP refers to me as "a brogrammer who suckles my mom's teet" or whatever the stupid line is.

The article in the OP is presenting all "side hustles" as the results of a "brogrammer" economy, where everybody is struggling and being force to work. Me providing an example of where side hustles (which is such a stupid fucking phrase anyway) aren't necessarily bad is just providing another data point into reality.

You can choose to pretend that my data point is presenting it as "it's fine for me therefore there is no problem," but it isn't, not anymore than the OP is presenting "this doesn't work for me, therefore there are only problems." Though unlike the OP/link, I'm not passing massive judgement on other people.

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Just saw your edit. I completely agree with you and the point that the sharing economy can have legitimate negatives and many of those negatives are overlooked by society. I think this is a fair point that very few people would disagree with. My response was replying to the poorly written, full of hyperbole and incorrect stereotypes article in the OP. It's a shit and stupid article.

You're running a business. You're not using Uber or AirBnB to maintain a standard of living.

Datapoints. What are those? Or is that too "Brogrammer" ...? Do you think I should go back to breastfeeding..... or whatever?
 
No, it doesn't seem like "I have it fine there for others are doing well." When I am talking about my own experience, I don't need to couch it in "... maybe this isn't like how it is for everybody," I'm simply relaying my experience. The article in the OP is criticizing people who have and contribute to "side hustles." The article in the OP refers to me as "a brogrammer who suckles my mom's teet" or whatever the stupid line is.

The article in the OP is presenting all "side hustles" as the results of a "brogrammer" economy, where everybody is struggling and being force to work. Me providing an example of where side hustles (which is such a stupid fucking phrase anyway) aren't necessarily bad is just providing another data point into reality.

You can choose to pretend that my data point is presenting it as "it's fine for me therefore there is no problem," but it isn't, not anymore than the OP is presenting "this doesn't work for me, therefore there are only problems." Though unlike the OP/link, I'm not passing massive judgement on other people.

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Just saw your edit. I completely agree with you and the point that the sharing economy can have legitimate negatives and many of those negatives are overlooked by society. I think this is a fair point that very few people would disagree with. My response was replying to the poorly written, full of hyperbole and incorrect stereotypes article in the OP. It's a shit and stupid article.



Datapoints. What are those? Or is that too "Brogrammer" ...? Do you think I should go back to breastfeeding..... or whatever?

It seems like this article struck a nerve with you.. The point is that some people aren't running businesses on the side because they can, it's that they are forced to sacrifice the last few hours of their time working for these apps to afford to pay their bills.
 
No, it doesn't seem like "I have it fine there for others are doing well." When I am talking about my own experience, I don't need to couch it in "... maybe this isn't like how it is for everybody," I'm simply relaying my experience. The article in the OP is criticizing people who have and contribute to "side hustles." The article in the OP refers to me as "a brogrammer who suckles my mom's teet" or whatever the stupid line is.

The article in the OP is presenting all "side hustles" as the results of a "brogrammer" economy, where everybody is struggling and being force to work. Me providing an example of where side hustles (which is such a stupid fucking phrase anyway) aren't necessarily bad is just providing another data point into reality.

You can choose to pretend that my data point is presenting it as "it's fine for me therefore there is no problem," but it isn't, not anymore than the OP is presenting "this doesn't work for me, therefore there are only problems." Though unlike the OP/link, I'm not passing massive judgement on other people.

*edit*

Just saw your edit. I completely agree with you and the point that the sharing economy can have legitimate negatives and many of those negatives are overlooked by society. I think this is a fair point that very few people would disagree with. My response was replying to the poorly written, full of hyperbole and incorrect stereotypes article in the OP. It's a shit and stupid article.



Datapoints. What are those? Or is that too "Brogrammer" ...? Do you think I should go back to breastfeeding..... or whatever?
It's written by a comedian, man lol. It's not a NYT Op-Ed. They're gonna be some hyperbole and exaggeration for comedic effect.
 
It seems like this article struck a nerve with you.. The point is that some people aren't running businesses on the side because they can, it's that they are forced to sacrifice the last few hours of their time working for these apps to afford to pay their bills.

It did. The nerve is struck is the anti-millenial "We're the worst generation" bull shit.

I'm tired of that crap. If the author is supposedly a comedian, there's nothing less funny than going to the well on millennials being unadjusted, lazy nerds living hand-to-mouth from their parents.
 
While the tone and language used in the article I don't particularly agree it, it does raise a point about how fucked it is that young adults are barely making it by because income inequality is worse than ever.

Combine that with outrageous student loans, rising costs of living, and slow to increase wages and you've got a recipe for disaster
 
Albatross, I think you need to have another read of the article. There's nothing in there you should be personally offended by. It's a comedic critique of how technology and marketing are running our lives. It doesn't target any person or group specifically.

We saw the same critiques of cellphone commercials back in the day. The commercial would show a family playing on the beach and all of the sudden mom gets a call from work and that's supposed to be convenient. Now, with a cellphone, your work can follow you when you're on vacation!

It's just a modern take on the lost truths that Luddites pointed out hundreds of years ago.
 
How did we go from single income family life to today? Inflation? I dunno much about economics, Whose at fault?

In America the fault mainly lies with the healthcare industry. They drag down every other sector of the economy. We'd all be making more money if we didn't spend such an absurd amount on healthcare. That and global downward pressures on wages for labor have doomed the middle class in America.
 
It did. The nerve is struck is the anti-millenial "We're the worst generation" bull shit.

I'm tired of that crap. If the author is supposedly a comedian, there's nothing less funny than going to the well on millennials being unadjusted, lazy nerds living hand-to-mouth from their parents.

I understand how you feel, but you are making the same assumptions but on the opposite side of the coin. Not all people in their 20's are "unadjusted, lazy nerds living hand-to-mouth from their parents."

I grew up poorer than poor and have been independent since a young teen, yet even with all of my hard work I'm still struggling to climb up the ladder. Could I have made better decisions? Yes, but you don't know what you don't know until you know that you didn't know.

Saying that all people who struggle in today's economy are lazy is unfair.
 
I understand how you feel, but you are making the same assumptions but on the opposite side of the coin. Not all people in their 20's are "unadjusted, lazy nerds living hand-to-mouth from their parents."

I grew up poorer than poor and have been independent since a young teen, yet even with all of my hard work I'm still struggling to climb up the ladder. Could I have made better decisions? Yes, but you don't know what you don't know until you know that you didn't know.

Saying that all people who struggle in today's economy are lazy is unfair.

No, no, I didn't say that or mean to... I never intended to, so sorry if anything I said seemed like that -- I was trying to say the opposite. The author of the article though is saying that, that the sharing economy exists because of millenial laziness and the inability for millennials to escape their mommy complexes. I was saying his brand of comedy, playing off of millennials, is lazy... But definitely not that people who are struggling are lazy.

"Not all people in their 20's are "unadjusted, lazy nerds living hand-to-mouth from their parents." I was saying that the author of the article is lazy by portraying 20-year-old millenials as unadjusted nerds living hand-to-mouth from their parents. In that, if he's trying to be funny, making fun of millennials and blaming them for society's ills is the laziest form of comedy.

How did we go from single income family life to today? Inflation? I dunno much about economics, Whose at fault?

This shift isn't solely an economic shift, but also a social shift, and I don't think it's right to think of it as a "Fault." The shift to two working parents also followed along with progress and slowly breaking down systemic discrimination against women (which still exists despite progress).

The America (or West) that many people are thinking back on so fondly wasn't really that great a place. The "single income family" seems like it might have been an ideal, but the single income family wasn't necessarily the result of an economy that could support that, but rather, it was the result of a society that didn't allow anything else. It's important to remember when we're getting misty eyed looking back at the nuclear family as some sort of economic ideal, but effectively forcing women to stay at home while the man goes out to make bread isn't an equitable society. Which one preceded the other is open to debate: Did women stay at home as unpaid child bearers because the economy made that possible, or did the economy make that possible because a less progressive society discriminated against women in the worldplace?

The single income family is a nice concept but that model existed because of discrimination.

And also, forlorne concepts of the nuclear family (where dad goes to work and mom stays home with the kids) being some cherished ideal really only extend to white working class American families. If you were not a white family, the economy was likely a lot worse for you 50 years ago than it is today, and it was a lot worse for your children.
 
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