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‘SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE’ - Biggest Domestic Opening of 2023 so far
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TheTurboFD
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Movie was awesome. Well deserved opening, hopefully it stays strong.
Represent.
Banned
Because the Off-Topic is dead as fuck, and no one would see it lol
Now its gaming related
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Iced Arcade
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Not gaming related at all but great movie.
Lol at the thread title. Biggest, second biggest...detail, whatever!
Lol at the thread title. Biggest, second biggest...detail, whatever!
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TrueLegend
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demands thin as a paper emotional investment.......this will age like American hustle....regardless of whatever success it gets.....soulless movie. Insomniac Miles is far far better than this one.
ManaByte
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I think the OP believes they do.
Ragnarok
Member
Movie was not great, but pretty ok. First one was miles better.
Narrative was kind of a disjointed mess with many different storylines and the antagonist was sadly under developed. Action scenes were unintelligible assaults on the senses, but I suppose that was the point.
Overall felt a lot less focused and coherent. Was 45 minutes too long and the ending was unsatisfying. The new characters weren’t as charming as the old cast (at all) and it was dripping in teenage angst (which makes sense given the ages of our protagonists but as someone having to deal with teenage angst every day it was just annoying)
Miles still had a lot of charisma and again it was the best when he had scenes with Peter Parker. I think the villain could be really cool but again he was kinda just in the background.
Worth seeing, especially in theaters, but just kinda a decent sequel rather than a great film in general.
Narrative was kind of a disjointed mess with many different storylines and the antagonist was sadly under developed. Action scenes were unintelligible assaults on the senses, but I suppose that was the point.
Overall felt a lot less focused and coherent. Was 45 minutes too long and the ending was unsatisfying. The new characters weren’t as charming as the old cast (at all) and it was dripping in teenage angst (which makes sense given the ages of our protagonists but as someone having to deal with teenage angst every day it was just annoying)
Miles still had a lot of charisma and again it was the best when he had scenes with Peter Parker. I think the villain could be really cool but again he was kinda just in the background.
Worth seeing, especially in theaters, but just kinda a decent sequel rather than a great film in general.
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DragoonWalker
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Like your level headed review. So much out of control hype surrounding this movie, I hate it because it sets expectations too high. Also feels like every blockbuster is 45 mins too long these days. What happened to 90 minute movies?
ThatStupidLion
Member
Good, but 1st was better imo. More focused and cohesive.
They tried to fit waaaay too much into this movie. Wasted too much time on repetitive exposition. Making the movie overly long. They just had so much to focus on and get through. I still think they could have cut out a lot and told the same story. I think they knew it was going to be complex, so they tried to be extra clear and over explain or reiterate ideas for the dumb average movie goer but in doing so it just made the movie feel slow and congested etc etc.
While still beautiful and flawless, i didnt have this feeling of a headache after the first. I think they overdid the design this time. Just felt like TOO much strobing, flickering, changing etc. just pure overstimulation for the eyes and mind. feels like i just came out of a crazy trip. I didnt noticed it during as much, but i could swear my vision was tweaking for an hr after with residual effects.
Ending was blah and felt out of nowhere, like it wasnt originally planned to be the ending.
Have high hopes for the third though. Itll be more focused like the first I imagine. Is
purposefully not in these btw?
Edit: it also lacked a lot of the charm and charismatic relationships of the first.
Edit 2: anyone have answers for these potential plot holes?
They tried to fit waaaay too much into this movie. Wasted too much time on repetitive exposition. Making the movie overly long. They just had so much to focus on and get through. I still think they could have cut out a lot and told the same story. I think they knew it was going to be complex, so they tried to be extra clear and over explain or reiterate ideas for the dumb average movie goer but in doing so it just made the movie feel slow and congested etc etc.
While still beautiful and flawless, i didnt have this feeling of a headache after the first. I think they overdid the design this time. Just felt like TOO much strobing, flickering, changing etc. just pure overstimulation for the eyes and mind. feels like i just came out of a crazy trip. I didnt noticed it during as much, but i could swear my vision was tweaking for an hr after with residual effects.
Ending was blah and felt out of nowhere, like it wasnt originally planned to be the ending.
Have high hopes for the third though. Itll be more focused like the first I imagine. Is
madame web
Edit: it also lacked a lot of the charm and charismatic relationships of the first.
Edit 2: anyone have answers for these potential plot holes?
1. If miles was an anomaly in his universe and messed up the canon event, why didnt the world collapse?
2. When gwen went home and gave the speech to her dad and he quit being the police chief, isnt that changing a canon event, because they alluded to it with her expression/realization i thought, but her world didnt start glitching etc. shouldnt it collapse as well?
2. When gwen went home and gave the speech to her dad and he quit being the police chief, isnt that changing a canon event, because they alluded to it with her expression/realization i thought, but her world didnt start glitching etc. shouldnt it collapse as well?
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The actual biggest domestic debut this year was 90min.
DragoonWalker
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Ok? My point stands. In case you haven't been paying attention:
Guardians 3 (2hr 30 min)
Avatar 2 (3hr 12 min)
John Wick 4 (2hr 49 min)
Little Mermaid (2hr 15 min)
Fast X (2h 21 min)
Spiderverse 2 (2hr 20 min)
D&D (2hr 14 min)
Scream 6 (2hr 3min)
Top Gun 2 (2h 10 min)
Black Panther 2 (2hr 41 min)
Doctor Strange 2 (2hr 6 min)
The Batman (2hr 56 min)
Thor 4 (2hr 5 min)
Spiderman: NWH (2hr 28 min)
Sonic 2 (2hr 2min)
Antman 2 (1hr 58 min)
Creed 3 (1hr 56 min)
Puss in Boots 2 (1hr 42 min)
Minion Rise of Gru (1hr 27 min)
Besides Mario, 4 other movies, 2 of which are minutes away from being 2hrs, 1 is clean over 90min and 1 is under. The rest of the top domestic/worldwide grossing films from this and last year have exceeded 2 hrs, most of them by a lot. So, what happened to 90 min movies?
aclar00
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Not sure how to do post spoiler tags, but ill try to be as vague as possible. Im simple terms, i think those two plot holes were the points meant to contradict Spidy 2099's hypothesis about the universe. The question that came up a few times was "how do you know [that is what will happen]". Miles essentially said he still has to try and that he can have his cake and eat it too...by having two cakes.
ThatStupidLion
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Right right. That did cross my mind. Maybe it will be explored in the 3rd.
March Climber
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Odd question for a superhero film thread but I’ll answer: Marvel and D.C. happened. Harry Potter happened. Twilight happened. Star Wars happened. Lord of the Rings happened. For the past two decades.
You know what a constant stream of successful movies over 2 hours long means for creatives? It means they’re no longer restricted by 90 minutes. It also means book adaptations are seen as a goldmine.
It’s something where I’m more thankful than upset, because for every crappy adaptation we get something incredible like Blade Runner 2049, which could have been butchered into 90 minutes of fluff/cheese if it came out during the 90s, like Stallone’s version of Judge Dredd.
Toons
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The hype is deserved.
The movie is crafting like a work of art and you can see genuine intent and artistry in literally every frame. Not an exaggeration.
Everything is on point, and the story being complex in its structure isn't something I consider negative. Its very easy to follow.
Its just an incredibly well made movie. In every regard. Most animation, even animation i like and defend doesn't even come close to this level of craftsmanship.
I'm with you, I don't get why movies are so long. I think it's prob because they raised the price of tickets so much they think they need to give audiences more film.
Guardians would have been a lot better if they cut off the middle part on that bio-planet.
Apparently they have different people for different projects.
JCK75
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I mean - at some point you see how well Spider-verse and the Tom Holland series is doing.. and how bad Venom was (I mean it was not the worst, but was still pretty meh) and you shift to try to find the right person for the job.
The value of the creative talent behind these films can not be underestimated.
I'm pretty sure the EXACT SAME SCRIPT done live action would feel a lot different. Something about animation enables a lot of comic-bookiness that otherwise just doesn't fly. Just look at DC. They have been KILLING IT in animation FOR DECADES, but their live action stuff suddenly loses track of character, motivation, dynamic flow, and inter-character relationships that animation can do almost effortlessly.
VulcanRaven
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Great movie but not sure if its better than the first one.
You can also see footage from The Amazing Spider-Man 2 game at one point.
Because the Off-Topic is dead as fuck, and no one would see it lol
Now its gaming related
You can also see footage from The Amazing Spider-Man 2 game at one point.
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DragoonWalker
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In theory, I agree. In execution, it means bloat, longer detracting subplots, looser editing, deleted scenes that shouldn't be in no longer get deleted, pacing gone to hell. Yes some of what I listed deserves that screen time, but a lot of them do not. The pandora's box of long runtimes have been opened to everyone, not just the geniuses, so everything that's not a vision of art suffers as a consequence.
The way I see it, creativity is best when there are constraints. Without constraints often even the best artists are rudderless or they become over indulgent.
March Climber
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From what I've seen of the good side of that coin, the better constraint is budget rather than time. When it came to movies like the LoTR trilogy or Harry Potter, I didn't feel like my time was being wasted, even when they released the extended editions. If anything, they had deleted scenes that could have enhanced the lore even further. Those complaints you've listed are the fallout of bad movies with bad writing/lore following suit. As a good example, I don't think a comedy movie needs to be over 90 minutes. However, some studios and streaming networks have been doing this to comedy movies lately to their detriment.
When it comes down to it, I'll take some bloated garbage movies if it can mean I'll have something special down the line. At the end of the day, all it takes is for us to ignore them anyway
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Hot take, what do you think GAF, is this why the film is successful?
VulcanRaven
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March Climber
Member
Yea, but Into the Spiderverse didn't pull these numbers and animated films in general normally don't pull these kinds of numbers.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Oh I ain't discrediting it.
If you read the article they believe it is a success due to diversity and representation.
And that what other films need to do to be successful.
Not because it's just a well made good film.
VulcanRaven
Member
No Way Home might have made people want to see more multiverse.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
No Way Home is the worst Spider-Man movie
VulcanRaven
Member
I don't think its one of the best but most fans and critics seem to like it.
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AJUMP23
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Took my kids to see the movie last night. It was fun. I think it takes time to get going. The first movie is tightly paced and is top tier. This movies animation is incredible but the movie is too long. They should have gotten to the problem in about 30 minutes. It is a great story. And I really liked it. Just think they should have trimmed it. Especially with the ending.
scoobidoo112
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Spiderman 3 and The Amazing Spiderman 2 exist, so no.
Also the theated experience for No Way Home was one of my favorite ones ever, the crowd was more hyped up than any other movie I've seen to date.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Fanservice Galore
scoobidoo112
Member
For sure.
It's fine if that's not your thing, I'm just saying it was an absolute blast to be in that crowd.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yeah just not my thing. I don't mind fanservice but I felt this was way too much fanservice and the plot suffered for it. I'm worried that when I eventually see Across The Spiderverse, I might hate the movie due to that aspect of it.
I'm getting tired of movies and shows trying to use fanservice and nostalgia pandering to try hook me in, when lot of times it's used poorly
That stuff doesn't work on me
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