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[bitbydeath]

I doubt they could do it justice in todays irrationally crazy PC world.

Comedy Central has officially handed out a series order for the upcoming adult-animated reboot of Nickelodeon’s 1990s animated sitcom “The Ren & Stimpy Show”.

"Ren & Stimpy" Reboot Ordered To Series

Comedy Central has officially handed out a series order for the upcoming adult-animated reboot of Nickelodeon’s 1990s animated sitcom “The Ren & Stimpy Show”. The original ran for five seasons from 1991-1995 and followed an emotionally unstable Chihuahua and a kind yet dimwitted cat. It was...

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[brap]

Gross. It'll be tame as fuck. They'll probably just make them gay too instead of hinting at it like before.

 

[Space Runaway]

Hmm...I wonder who's handling it.

My initial thought is that Ren and Stimpy without John K. probably wouldn't work but John K. hasn't produced anything decent in decades and he's pretty much finished due to the pedo shit anyway.

High potential for disaster but maybe it'll magically be good.

 

[Stouffers]

Give it to Roland and company.. or that group who did the Australian Rick and Morty

 

[Goro Majima]

Let me start by saying I never saw any of the other attempted reboots.

But is weird psychedelic type humor popular these days? I assumed we were still living in an era where dark and snarky comedy rules the day.

 

[shoplifter]

Last time was horrible, dont do it again

 

[Stitch]

Hmm...I wonder who's handling it.

My initial thought is that Ren and Stimpy without John K. probably wouldn't work but John K. hasn't produced anything decent in decades and he's pretty much finished due to the pedo shit anyway.

High potential for disaster but maybe it'll magically be good.

Most of Ren & Stimpy was made by Bob Camp anyways. Adult Party was just John K. and we all know it was shit.

Gross. It'll be tame as fuck. They'll probably just make them gay too instead of hinting at it like before.

John K already did that with Adult Party

 

[Stitch]

Tweetards are already trying to cancel it

 

[StreetsofBeige]

 

[Darko]

Gross. It'll be tame as fuck. They'll probably just make them gay too instead of hinting at it like before.

Yea.. hinting at it.

 

[GeorgPrime]

Tweetards are already trying to cancel it

Now we can really go with.... "Cancelled in....3.....2......1....." xD

 

[Space Runaway]

Most of Ren & Stimpy was made by Bob Camp anyways. Adult Party was just John K. and we all know it was shit.

Hmm I can't really say something so definitive when the Spumco episodes were so much better than the Games stuff. Plus John's fingerprints and idioms are all over the first couple seasons.

Though clearly whatever made the Spumco episodes work was lost with the split as we can see with John K's later output and his long history of never being able to properly run a studio.

 

[bitbydeath]

Tweetards are already trying to cancel it

From Shadi Petdo nonetheless.

 

[Aggressive Carrot]

Again? The Spike TV version was fun. Too bad it didn't last long. All these shows retuning will probably be tamer than their original counterparts.

 

[Hinedorf]

 

[DryvBy]

Hmm...I wonder who's handling it.

My initial thought is that Ren and Stimpy without John K. probably wouldn't work but John K. hasn't produced anything decent in decades and he's pretty much finished due to the pedo shit anyway.

High potential for disaster but maybe it'll magically be good.

My wife told me about this and my heart sank. If Mike Judge ends up being a pedo, I'm through with Hollywood. He's my favorite creator of all time.

Yea.. hinting at it.

The best part of that is after the logs fall down off his butt. Stimpy looks back at Ren and winks like he left a jizz load on his back. Ren throws him a towel and tells Stimpy to clean that crap up lol.

 

[Badlucktroll]

So comedy central is rebooting Beavis And Butthead and Ren and Stimpy?

 

[Darko]

Can they bring back Bobby’s world too or does Disney now own that

 

[brap]

John K already did that with Adult Party

And it was shit

Yea.. hinting at it.

Talking about the original series

 

[Werewolf Jones]

When they were gay in the 90s or whatever: Yoooo this is weird.

Them being gay in 2020: So bold, so different, this is the representation we need for LGBTQIA+ in the era of Orange Man.

 

[haxan7]

I’m probably at the dead center of the target audience for this and the Beavis and Butthead reboots. My interest level couldn’t possibly be lower. Reboots are the most tired out and shitty form of entertainment in an era where most entertainment is tired out and shitty.

 

[teezzy]

I like all Ren and Stimpy, including the Adult Party Cartoon and the Nickelodeon stuff they made after they kicked John K to the curb.

I'm also just gonna throw this out there...

 

[brap]

I’m probably at the dead center of the target audience for this and the Beavis and Butthead reboots. My interest level couldn’t possibly be lower. Reboots are the most tired out and shitty form of entertainment in an era where most entertainment is tired out and shitty.

You aren't though. The target audience is the people all like 'omg muh nostalgia!!! i memba this!! I have to watch!!'

 

[Weiji]

“And yet Kricfalusi, 62, continues to be widely celebrated as a pioneer in the male-dominated field of animation. Creators of shows including SpongeBob SquarePants, Adventure Time, and Rick and Morty have cited Ren & Stimpy as an influence.”

See this right here is why I hate these people. Who he was and what he did in his personal life do not change the quality of his art. You can’t tell me his show is bad because he’s a bad person, that’s just bullshit.

“I know a lot of people struggle with the ‘art vs. artist’ thing, and I get it. Like, I love Rosemary’s Baby. But would I watch another movie that he made, knowing what I know now?... I would say no, I don’t want to watch it. I don’t want any part of that.”

That’s fine no one is trying to force you into the theater.

“There’s nice people you can hire. There’s nice people who can make things, there’s nice people who make cartoons. … They’re just as fucking good.”

And here comes cancel culture again. If someone commits a crime go after them, use the law. But don’t sit here and tell me that “nice people are just as good”.

They are not better by being nice, hell some of the best shit is made by the most fucked up people. Probably because fucked up people aren’t concerned with what Karen is going to say to the manager, but rather what’s new, what’s fascinating, and what’s art.

What this lady wants corporate vanilla shit. People like her are why the best we can get now are crappy cgi superhero movies.

 

[YCoCg]

Another one? Wasn't the last one just sex filled crap?

 

[JBat]

I would be more excited if they just started airing the original episodes. I have no interest in a reboot

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

“There’s nice people you can hire. There’s nice people who can make things, there’s nice people who make cartoons. … They’re just as fucking good.”

Why does "being nice" matter? Why use this as a thing to curtail and curate/sterilize the potential creative field when it's something that doesn't really have an impact on the quality of a person's work? Some of the most creative people ever were not actually that friendly IRL towards anyone but their closest of friends and family. And in some select cases, not even that.

I don't need a creator to fake being my best friend to get me interested in their work. The quality of that work will speak for itself. Now if said creator is a complete asshole to work with, then maybe things could be a bit different. But even there I think it comes down to what parties are considering them an "asshole". In John K's case it was almost always Nick executives ("suits"), and the animation industry has a long history of suits stifling the creative process.

From what I know of, the actual animators, writers, etc. at Spumco didn't really mind working for John K. He might've been too demanding at times but that also made the team better for it. This whole bullshit idea that you need to "be nice" to do a creative work is just code for lowering the bar and not getting your feelings hurt when someone else calls you out for being mediocre, even if that kind of thing is exactly what you need to get motivated and do better.

I hate it. I hate this baby-ass soft culture in creative fields today, especially Western animation.

 

[nkarafo]

The animation will probably suck too, with the minimum amount of animation frames and the usual "adobe flash" look.

 

[TaySan]

I'll probably watch it as long as John K isn't involved with it anymore. Hope they will give this show a decent budget this time around.

 

[Windle Poons]

Hmm, should just leave it alone.

 

[Madevil]

Not in today's cultural climate. It will be fucking travesty.

 

[Cutty Flam]

Gross. It'll be tame as fuck. They'll probably just make them gay too instead of hinting at it like before.

Bro if they fuck up Ren & Stimpy im going on a rampage. GOAT level comedy

 

[John Mullins]

I'm also just gonna throw this out there...

Used to love watching old Howard shows. What goes down here?

 

[teezzy]

Used to love watching old Howard shows. What goes down here?

John K is on to promote his new pilot on Fox for a cartoon called George Liquor, and theres bad blood between him and Billy as Billy stuck with Ren and Stimpy after they kicked John K out

It's a good one

 

[mortal]

This thing will be completely neutered in today's political and cultural climate. No thanks.

 

[John Mullins]

The (1st) reboot of Beavis & Butthead wasn't neutered.

 

[teezzy]

I would be more excited if they just started airing the original episodes. I have no interest in a reboot

If I remember correctly, when they first showed the Adult Party Cartoon on Spike TV, they do always follow it up with a rerun of the original episodes.

Not a bad idea overall

 

[Happosai]

Hmm I can't really say something so definitive when the Spumco episodes were so much better than the Games stuff. Plus John's fingerprints and idioms are all over the first couple seasons.

Though clearly whatever made the Spumco episodes work was lost with the split as we can see with John K's later output and his long history of never being able to properly run a studio.

Spumco worked mostly because of the New Adventures of Mighty Mouse and the staff which was hired on by Ralph Bakshi. John K. is genuinely a creep but his ideas were mostly inspired by working with/for Bakshi. His pedo nature wasn't so prevalent in the original run he had with Nickelodeon. I'll admit, I like the various directors who worked on the Games episodes equally. When John got his reboot on Spike, he was openly harassing women in the staff. I was studying animation when the reboot came out. It was basically homework if we could find material like this with commentary or interviews. The DVD release the reboot had John constantly putting three of the women animators into creepy scenarios with him. I remember one of the women (she was not one who accused him) that was about John's at that time...he kept calling her a milf. The two girls who accused him were subject to him humiliating them in the live and audio interviews on the adult party cartoon DVDs. John modeled Ren after himself and he claimed that "they were meant to be like this." I don't buy into P.C. cancel culture and find half the sexual harassment allegations since the metoo movement to lack credibility. At the same time, I feel Ren and Stimpy had a good run in the 90's and that's the best you're going to get out of it.

They want to reboot something...we already had a Beavis and Butthead reboot (plus over 300 episodes in the 90's). They should have asked Mike Judge to reboot King of the Hill.

 

[John Mullins]

Luanne and Lucky are dead from KOTH though.

 

[Skyr]

There is no way that it will even come close to the original.

 

[GamingKaiju]

Woke Ren & Stimpy surely this will fail.

 

[Happosai]

Luanne and Lucky are dead from KOTH though.

Yeah, sad news. I was thinking they'd have to rewrite it working with the characters from the first 4-5 episodes, but aged 10-years beyond. For Luanne and Lucky's characters, it would be easier to write that they moved to a trailer in Naples, Florida than to kill off the characters. Not sure if other VAs from KOTH have died but I know the guy who voiced Principal Moss is also dead.

 

[YCoCg]

Woke Ren & Stimpy surely this will fail.

There needs to be a balance, too tryhard Ren & Stimpy was pure trash, the "Adult" reboot a few years back was just eugh.

 

[Happosai]

John K is on to promote his new pilot on Fox for a cartoon called George Liquor, and theres bad blood between him and Billy as Billy stuck with Ren and Stimpy after they kicked John K out

It's a good one

John K made the bad blood with Billy West. He was known for mistreating workers and he took it personally that Games hired Billy to voice both Ren and Stimpy after John got fired. The reboot had some guy named Eric Bauza doing Stimpy's voice. The one thing of John's I like was the Ripping Friends. I felt he had a great cartoon there but his personality and arrogance to push it to be more adult (for a kid's network) got him fired again. George Liquor was a fun character but the guy who voiced him (which is one of those voices that are very distinct) died. Seeing as John was fired from MTV, ABC, Fox, Nickelodeon, and Spike...should be a warning that he'll get fired on anything he tries syndicated in the future.

 

[Space Runaway]

Spumco worked mostly because of the New Adventures of Mighty Mouse and the staff which was hired on by Ralph Bakshi. John K. is genuinely a creep but his ideas were mostly inspired by working with/for Bakshi. His pedo nature wasn't so prevalent in the original run he had with Nickelodeon. I'll admit, I like the various directors who worked on the Games episodes equally. When John got his reboot on Spike, he was openly harassing women in the staff. I was studying animation when the reboot came out. It was basically homework if we could find material like this with commentary or interviews. The DVD release the reboot had John constantly putting three of the women animators into creepy scenarios with him. I remember one of the women (she was not one who accused him) that was about John's at that time...he kept calling her a milf. The two girls who accused him were subject to him humiliating them in the live and audio interviews on the adult party cartoon DVDs. John modeled Ren after himself and he claimed that "they were meant to be like this." I don't buy into P.C. cancel culture and find half the sexual harassment allegations since the metoo movement to lack credibility. At the same time, I feel Ren and Stimpy had a good run in the 90's and that's the best you're going to get out of it.

Btw have you read the book Sick Little Monkeys? Although the author is hopelessly biased, it's pretty much the best (And I think only) history on the behind the scenes of Ren and Stimpy, with the book actually starting with the aforementioned Mighty Mouse at Bakshi Productions and going all the way through Adult Party. It's sort of an "other side of the story" book where you're hearing recounts from the Games staff, ex-guys like Bruce Timm and just people who aren't firmly in John K's camp. It's a pretty good insight into what it was like working on those projects and why they failed. The only real downside is the author, who is a little too opinionated or jumping to conclusions on certain subjects as he had an axe to grind and didn't care to hide it. =P

The one thing of John's I like was the Ripping Friends. I felt he had a great cartoon there but his personality and arrogance to push it to be more adult (for a kid's network) got him fired again.

If there's one thing I took note of when watching The Ripping Friends, it's that John K can't pace a full length cartoon. He can do 12 minute cartoons great but anytime he goes longer than that he starts filling the episode with these weird empty or slow moments to drag it out.

 

[Happosai]

Btw have you read the book Sick Little Monkeys? Although the author is hopelessly biased, it's pretty much the best (And I think only) history on the behind the scenes of Ren and Stimpy, with the book actually starting with the aforementioned Mighty Mouse at Bakshi Productions and going all the way through Adult Party. It's sort of an "other side of the story" book where you're hearing recounts from the Games staff, ex-guys like Bruce Timm and just people who aren't firmly in John K's camp. It's a pretty good insight into what it was like working on those projects and why they failed. The only real downside is the author, who is a little too opinionated or jumping to conclusions on certain subjects as he had an axe to grind and didn't care to hide it. =P


If there's one thing I took note of when watching The Ripping Friends, it's that John K can't pace a full length cartoon. He can do 12 minute cartoons great but anytime he goes longer than that he starts filling the episode with these weird empty or slow moments to drag it out.

I didn't read the book although I'd like to. When I studied animation I bought a lot of books on animation about guys like Tex Avery, Jack Hannah, Irv Spence, and Ron Bluth. Most books like that are going to round to about 70% true biographical fact and the rest to bias. I'm the same, I've researched certain things to death but in writing it's going to be biased and I usually run against the grain when it comes to popular opinion (except on GAF). I'll take a look for it.

True, John K. loses most context after 12-minutes. If he had been a team player and didn't loathe screenwriters (he maimed them for not being storyboard artists); he would have been very successful. His strange bipolar-like personality would scare people. He'd have emotional break-downs and sometimes come off in interviews as out-of-touch. He belonged in the animation industry but he's not good with people or business. Over a decade ago, I got to chat with some of his fellow animators like Jim Smith and Vincent Waller. They recall him being obsessive but cool at the right times. Jim Smith the animator was also a great guitarist and played the Ren & Stimpy theme. I recall him saying he had would get it right but John would make him play it again 10 or 15-times. Most of these guys had a fun through the dark days of Hannah Barbera's 80's cartoons (when Ruby Spears wanted a low-budget cartoon on everything). I recall John K getting angry that he had to work on animations of Pac-man and Strawberry Shortcake.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Very interesting show clearly interesting minds of the creators

 

[lock2k]

I will wait and watch before making any judgement. Who knows. It might end up being good.

 

[bad guy]

John K still posts drawings on his site for those interested.

 

[Space Runaway]

I didn't read the book although I'd like to. When I studied animation I bought a lot of books on animation about guys like Tex Avery, Jack Hannah, Irv Spence, and Ron Bluth. Most books like that are going to round to about 70% true biographical fact and the rest to bias. I'm the same, I've researched certain things to death but in writing it's going to be biased and I usually run against the grain when it comes to popular opinion (except on GAF). I'll take a look for it.

True, John K. loses most context after 12-minutes. If he had been a team player and didn't loathe screenwriters (he maimed them for not being storyboard artists); he would have been very successful. His strange bipolar-like personality would scare people. He'd have emotional break-downs and sometimes come off in interviews as out-of-touch. He belonged in the animation industry but he's not good with people or business. Over a decade ago, I got to chat with some of his fellow animators like Jim Smith and Vincent Waller. They recall him being obsessive but cool at the right times. Jim Smith the animator was also a great guitarist and played the Ren & Stimpy theme. I recall him saying he had would get it right but John would make him play it again 10 or 15-times. Most of these guys had a fun through the dark days of Hannah Barbera's 80's cartoons (when Ruby Spears wanted a low-budget cartoon on everything). I recall John K getting angry that he had to work on animations of Pac-man and Strawberry Shortcake.

Yeah so much has come out about him over the last decade it definitely has shined a different light on him and his claims from over the years. Bakshi gave a new interview a month ago and at one point he did mention John k and how John didn't care or even want to care about the flow of work and would always fall behind due to it. Also Bakshi having to constantly sit him down and give him talks. Seems he was always someone that needed to be on a leash to ensure consistent and timely output.