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[BorkBork]

Household Survey Sees 100,000 Iraqi Deaths

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../ap/20041028/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_death_toll_4

Excerpt:
"LONDON - A survey of deaths in Iraqi households estimates that as many as 100,000 more people may have died throughout the country in the 18 months after the U.S. invasion than would be expected based on the death rate before the war."



That just totally blows my mind. I was thinking around ten or twenty thousand would have been quite a lot, but a HUNDRED THOUSAND? To be fair, this has a small sample size but it's the same method they used in Kosovo to measure war deaths and it is going to be published in the Lancet... Just unbelievable...

 

[Particle Physicist]

are those just civilian deaths?

 

[Particle Physicist]

you forgot this part::

The scientists who wrote the report concede that the data they based their projections on were of "limited precision," because the quality of the information depends on the accuracy of the household interviews used for the study. The interviewers were Iraqi, most of them doctors.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

I'd believe some Iraqi doctors.

They treated Jessica lynch ok, seem like a good bunch.

 

[MrPing1000]

and even if some of them talked crap its still gotta be 50k +

 

[bishoptl]

Can they (dead or otherwise) vote in the upcoming election? No? Moving right along then...

 

[Willco]

Considering how quickly the mods have locked every other Iraq-related thread, I am kind of surprised (and somewhat not surprised) that this one is still open.

 

[xexex]

so what if it's 50,000 or 100,000 .... it's still alot of deaths.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

did that surpass the deaths Saddam himself caused ?

 

[Particle Physicist]

so what if it's 50,000 or 100,000 .... it's still alot of deaths.

while 50,000 is quite a lot. 100,000 is double. .of course it matters.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

while 50,000 is quite a lot. 100,000 is double. .of course it matters.

none of them are part of our monkeysphere.

 

[Azih]

Do you mean deaths caused by Saddam when he was a U.S ally, or when he wasn't almokla?

 

[RiZ III]

Damn thats horrible. This war has caused the deaths of so many people, and for what? So it can ease the neo-cons paranoia? Selfish scumbags.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

well .. both ? lol

its just a crazy number for only a year and a half

 

[Kon Tiki]

Saddam would of killed them anyway. With his torture chambers of mass discomfort.

 

[Dan]

Since when were household surveys used to determine death counts?

 

[duderon]

Since when were household surveys used to determine death counts?

How else are civilian deaths going to be estimated?

The military sure as hell isn't keeping track.

 

[Rocket Punch]

The lack of humanity here is astounding. God bless America.

 

[Pochacco]

That's absolutely terrible.
They (specifically the US) better clean things up in Iraq, make things safe, and establish a working society so that those who died actually died for SOMETHING.

 

[Particle Physicist]

The lack of humanity here is astounding. God bless America.

you mean the people questioning the accuracy of this survey? God Bless Retardation.

 

[D'ultimate]

Saddam would of killed them anyway. With his torture chambers of mass discomfort.

A survey of deaths in Iraqi households estimates that as many as 100,000 more people may have died throughout the country in the 18 months after the U.S. invasion than would be expected based on the death rate before the war

:-|

 

[duderon]

:-|

He's being sarcastic.

 

[Rocket Punch]

you mean the people questioning the accuracy of this survey? God Bless Retardation.

No

I mean these...

Saddam would of killed them anyway. With his torture chambers of mass discomfort.

Can they (dead or otherwise) vote in the upcoming election? No? Moving right along then...

 

[D'ultimate]

My bad.

 

[duderon]

No

I mean these...

Your sarcasm detecter is malfuctioning...

 

[Mooreberg]

This is like the lolapalooza epidsode of the simpsons.

"Dude, are you being sarcastic?"
"I don't even know anymore."

 

[Rocket Punch]

Your sarcasm detecter is malfuctioning...

Hmm, possibly... I'm having a bad day.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Hmm, possibly... I'm having a bad day.

NOT AS BAD AS THE IRAQIS!

*rimshot

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

you forgot this part::

"The scientists who wrote the report concede that the data they based their projections on were of "limited precision," because the quality of the information depends on the accuracy of the household interviews used for the study. The interviewers were Iraqi, most of them doctors."

Also this part:

Even with Falluja factored out, the survey "indicates that the death toll associated with the invasion and occupation of Iraq is more likely than not about 100,000 people, and may be much higher," the report said.

Or as it's put in another article:

The figure of 100,000 is based on "conservative assumptions", notes Les Roberts at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, US, who led the study.

That estimate excludes Falluja, a hotspot for violence. If the data from this town is included, the study points to about 200,000 excess deaths since the outbreak of war.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996596

 

[Banjo Tango]

It's all part of our master plan.

Iraqis are being killed, as they were yesterday and the day before. At some point the Iraqis will get tired of getting killed...

 

[BorkBork]

Like I said earlier, this type of survey was considered accurate and acceptable for war deaths for Kosovo, so it should provide a ballpark figure here as well. The Lancet's a very very big medical journal, so it's not just some dude throwing out crazy numbers.

Plus:

Even with Falluja factored out, the survey "indicates that the death toll associated with the invasion and occupation of Iraq is more likely than not about 100,000 people, and may be much higher," the report said.

If this many people died, then it stands to reason that there is several times this figure in the numbers of injured and permanently disabled. It's just hard to imagine how much suffering the Iraqis have endured pre- and post-war.