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Anyone recommend me a good 17" LCD?

I'm looking for minimum:

1280x1024
16ms response time
140/140 visibility
DVI input

and good image quality.

I'm thinking of Samsung syncmaster 710TM at the moment. I'm from Europe so the model names might be slightly different over here than in NA. Anyone have any recommendations?
 
Does it have to be 17"? Cause if you'll allow yourself a 19 incher, I can recommend you the Hyundai L90D+. It's the greatest monitor on the face of the planet. I can only recommend it, and it alone.

8ms
700:1 contrast ratio
DVI
1280x1024
blah blah blah
 
Error Macro said:
Does it have to be 17"? Cause if you'll allow yourself a 19 incher, I can recommend you the Hyundai L90D+. It's the greatest monitor on the face of the planet. I can only recommend it, and it alone.

8ms
700:1 contrast ratio
DVI
1280x1024
blah blah blah
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How much? Perhaps it's time to trade in my Sony G400 Aperature Grille for a LCD is the price is decent.
 
I would go for a BenQ. Cheap and good.

My brother got this one http://www.benq.co.uk/Products/LCD/index.cfm?product=506&click=showcases|scid|171
 
I got a question for you guys, how come compressed movies have those big visible squares in my friend's LCD screen but they are not showing on my standard monitor? We have the same codecs.
 
Saturnman said:
I got a question for you guys, how come compressed movies have those big visible squares in my friend's LCD screen but they are not showing on my standard monitor? We have the same codecs.
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Are you guys running at the same resolution?
 
Shompola said:
I would go for a BenQ. Cheap and good.

My brother got this one http://www.benq.co.uk/Products/LCD/index.cfm?product=506&click=showcases|scid|171
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Had a BenQ 17" 12ms LCD two nights ago.. hated it for gaming. Brought it back the next day for a trusty 19" Viewsonic crt. :/

It looked beautiful in 1280x1024, but I can't limit myself to that rez and there were two lit pixels in the middle of the screen (red and brown).

I would still recommend that model though (BenQ FP71G <-- the G+ is 8ms) if you're into LCDs. It was $349cdn at Futureshop.
 
Shogmaster said:
Are you guys running at the same resolution?
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I think he has it slower (800x600, when the monitor can go slightly higher). I remember some DC games moving fast had the same problem (resolution even lower, of course), is that linked?
 
Saturnman said:
I think he has it slower (800x600, when the monitor can go slightly higher). I remember some DC games moving fast had the same problem (resolution even lower, of course), is that linked?
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Yes. The macro blocking is more evident on monitor running at a higher res.
 
Is there anything in LCD monitor specs that tells you if resolution changes will have that effect more pronounced in some models versus others?
 
Saturnman said:
Is there anything in LCD monitor specs that tells you if resolution changes will have that effect more pronounced in some models versus others?
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All LCDs will behave the same way.

General rule of thumb: compressed video looks best at it's native resolution or smaller. If the video is 640x480, it will look best at 640x480 or below. If you increase it's display size, the image quality will suffer according to how big you make it.
 
Shogmaster said:
How much? Perhaps it's time to trade in my Sony G400 Aperature Grille for a LCD is the price is decent.
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Right around $400 on various sites. Some even have free shipping. I got mine at NewEgg.com, because it was the only place with them in stock at the time, but you can also try ChiefValue.com, and ZipZoomFly.com.

LizardKing said:
does anybody make a monitor for a desktop yet that has the glossy finish like the new laptops?
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I was about to get a Sony HS95P; currently only Sony makes a monitor with that coating. However, comparing the techical specs, and the price (!), I couldn't go with the Sony. After comparing in-store displays of the Sony monitors to my new Hyundai, I can see it's just a gimmick now. The colors look just as good, well, actually better on my monitor.
 
It's so close to 8-bit color depth, that it really isn't noticeable. The banding in color gradients is so minimal, it's of no consequence. Samsung (makers of the panel) are to be commended on the excellent color dithering.

This is an 8ms panel. You're not going to find an 8-bit panel anywhere close to this respsonse time.
 
Error Macro said:
It's so close to 8-bit color depth, that it really isn't noticeable. The banding in color gradients is so minimal, it's of no consequence. Samsung (makers of the panel) are to be commended on the excellent color dithering.

This is an 8ms panel. You're not going to find an 8-bit panel anywhere close to this respsonse time.
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So close to 8-bit? What I'm just saying is that for people who care about good color reproduction (Shog?), this might not be their best bet.
And 8-bit panels can get close to that. Eizo has an 8-bit panel that gets 12ms grey-to-grey and 16 black-to-black(not sure exactly what that means :P, but I do know that its not the same as rise and fall). There are plenty of panels that are 8bit and 16ms, which is pretty good. And I bet in several months we'll see an 8-bit 8ms panel.
 
I've never seen anything but glowing praise for my monitor, which is a 17" NEC MultiSync LCD1765. Actually, it's been discontinued, which means that if you can find one in a brick-and-mortar store, it should be real cheap. There's also one going on Ebay for $182.

The colors are so bright - they stood out like a beacon when I was looking at all the LCDs at Fry's. It's hard to believe it's not a CRT. They even look vibrant in the picture I took of it (the Post Pictures of Your Room thread). It's got a hard plastic cover for the screen, too, which will keep it from getting damaged.

And it does run in 1280 x 1024, with a 16 ms response time. I have it set to True Color, which is 24 bit... I don't know if that means the same thing as the 6- or 8-bit stuff I've been hearing though.
 
sonarrat said:
And it does run in 1280 x 1024, with a 16 ms response time. I have it set to True Color, which is 24 bit... I don't know if that means the same thing as the 6- or 8-bit stuff I've been hearing though.
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Yeh, 24-bit is essentially 8-bit.
 
So it's another "16.2" million color 18bit LCD that does that annoying alternate refresh averaging crap to mimic target color.... NO SALE!
 
It's there, but very minor:

L90Dpgradient.jpg
 
Error Macro said:
Not exactly. But boy are you missing out.
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Missing out would be if I use that monitor for any work that demands color accuracy. If that's indeed 6 bits per channel LCD, the only way it can approximate 24bit color is that alternate refresh averaging method AFAIK. Can't use it. Sorry.
 
Hmm, I see. I thought you were just looking for a new monitor, I didn't know you needed one for pro-level graphic work. Sorry about that, chap. I'll have to look into that method of color dithering you're referring to; that's the first I've heard of it.
 
Error Macro said:
Hmm, I see. I thought you were just looking for a new monitor, I didn't know you needed one for pro-level graphic work. Sorry about that, chap. I'll have to look into that method of color dithering you're referring to; that's the first I've heard of it.
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I thought it was you who got me a link to the article that explained this. /confused
 
If you use the default firefox theme and look to the right, you'll notice the gradiant-like effect on the toolbars. You will see some "splitting" in between the colors. These are 6-bit pixels. They are used instead of 8-bit for faster response times for most monitors that are 12ms or lower.
 
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