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Damn, that near month-long break really hurt the Flash.

How low can Agents of Shield go? What's driving people away? Anytime I check in on the OT people generally seem at least somewhat positive.
 
morningbus said:
Damn, that near month-long break really hurt the Flash.

How low can Agents of Shield go? What's driving people away? Anytime I check in on the OT people generally seem at least somewhat positive.
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My impression is strong serialization in genre shows that aren't on the CW is going to result in serially shedding viewers, especially with each subsequent season. (I'm defining genre shows and primetime soaps as two different things here).
 
Netflix un-cancels a 2014 British sticom
Netflix has commissioned and will debut globally season two of the Netflix original series “Scrotal Recall,” following a deal with BBC Worldwide North America. Clerkenwell Films will produce the new season exclusively for Netflix with series stars Johnny Flynn, Antonia Thomas and Daniel Ings all returning to the romantic comedy. Season two will consist of eight episodes. Season one is now streaming on Netflix in the U.S. and Canada, and will be available globally later this year.
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I guess it must have done well for them, it didn't to that well on Channel 4 iirc. Man, streaming services and what they revive is weird.
 
morningbus said:
Damn, that near month-long break really hurt the Flash.

How low can Agents of Shield go? What's driving people away? Anytime I check in on the OT people generally seem at least somewhat positive.
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I think a lot of people are realizing that the movie universe is never going to acknowledge the show and just drifting off.

That's kind of what happened to me. It doesn't help that it's directly against iZombie, a show that I much preferred. Eventually it just started backing up on my DVR and I fell behind and never felt compelled to catch up.
 
Slight spoilers for last night

But gawd damn those SHIELD ratings aren't just bad, but the fact that yesterday's ep was kind of setting up the spin-off has to hurt them even more.
 
morningbus said:
Damn, that near month-long break really hurt the Flash.

How low can Agents of Shield go? What's driving people away? Anytime I check in on the OT people generally seem at least somewhat positive.
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It's generally well-executed, but there's not really a lot of forward movement on any kind of exciting main plot right now. I feels kind of like the show is in a holding pattern. This time last season, people were getting superpowers and new SHIELD and enemy factions were getting introduced. Now the show is just kind of waiting for the new enemy to stop watching television and do something, and there's not really anything happening on the SHIELD side either.
 
Bad hit for The Flash, which will hopefully restore by the next episode. I hope Arrow comes back without that hit.
Limitless has some positive moment, great. That is at least a little shine in a bad rating night.
I don't expect SHIELD to recover significantly from here on out. People are going to Netflix I think.
 
Joni said:
Bad hit for The Flash, which will hopefully restore by the next episode. I hope Arrow comes back without that hit.
Limitless has some positive moment, great. That is at least a little shine in a bad rating night.
I don't expect SHIELD to recover significantly from here on out. People are going to Netflix I think.
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I'm not worried about the CW shows at all. Those shows have a pretty loyal following. Honestly, most people don't even know when a new episode is on this time of year other than if their DVR starts recording. Happened to me the other day when I was watching sports and I got the you're recording 2 shows at 8pm, do you want to cancel one? message on my DVR. I was like crap, it's back?
 
mm04 said:
I'm not worried about the CW shows at all. Those shows have a pretty loyal following. Honestly, most people don't even know when a new episode is on this time of year other than if their DVR starts recording. Happened to me the other day when I was watching sports and I got the you're recording 2 shows at 8pm, do you want to cancel one? message on my DVR. I was like crap, it's back?
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They've also all renewed already. So any worries should be more about the season after the next one.
 
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls said:
I imagine Once Upon a Time will just devolve into Disney comedy hour by next year. The show has been a complete mess since season 3. I can't believe it's keeping its numbers up this high. It's a struggle to watch it nowadays.
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I'm just ready for Sora, Donald and Goofy to appear next season.

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maxcriden said:
My impression is strong serialization in genre shows that aren't on the CW is going to result in serially shedding viewers, especially with each subsequent season. (I'm defining genre shows and primetime soaps as two different things here).
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But Arrow and The Flash are basically cop shows.
 
Sober said:
But Arrow and The Flash are basically cop shows.
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I agree, though they have heavy genre and serialization that cop shows (I assume you mean procedurals) don't have. FWIW I think this is part of why Limitless is landing with a thud in the ratings (unfortunately). All CW shows, however procedural, are genre fare at the core. And I say that as a big fan of several of them.
 
morningbus said:
Damn, that near month-long break really hurt the Flash.

How low can Agents of Shield go? What's driving people away?
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The fact that its become incredibly noticeable that the show has no purpose.
What could be a great expansion/background for the MCU is relegated to bouncing around with F listers trying to look like it ties in with the movies yet completely avoiding them.

On the other hand the Netflix series while just as badly tied in have a focus on telling 1 interesting story completely unrelated to movies or tie-in.
Even staring Bs, Cs and an F lister.

Daredevil already amazing went out and got freaking Punisher, what does SHIELD do...
Hydra, Ward, Hydra, Government!, Ward, Hydra, Ward
 
Well part of the hit is long delays/odd scheduling and daylight savings.

Like Gotham/Supergirl, I think stayed constant with last week, even if a bit lower for both.

AoS is the problem because it has continued to decline after DST. And as I've noted several times really seems to do nothing for their Tuesday line-up
 
I think that Mockingbird spinoff legitimately needs to try getting Renner in a recurring role.
Or if Netflix isn't on a Punisher series do a reluctant team up with him for a few episodes.

At the very least have some costumed Mockingbird action versus the nonstop spy stuff.
 
morningbus said:
How low can Agents of Shield go? What's driving people away? Anytime I check in on the OT people generally seem at least somewhat positive.
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Well the reason I stopped watching is because the show was initially sold as an extension of the MCU, but as time went on, what happened on the show had little effect on the MCU and vice versa. Plus, I just can't get invested in the characters.
 
Is Agents of SHIELD one of the lowest rated network shows to get a spin-off? Maybe something in the early days of Fox has it beat, but even that I'm a little skeptical of.
 
Patryn said:
Eventually it just started backing up on my DVR and I fell behind and never felt compelled to catch up.
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That's how it worked for me and AoS. The show never really captured me that much but I held on because I like Coulson and hoped it would pick it.
It did pick up, but I guess not enough because I fell behind and then didn't care enough to catch up.

Ramsiege said:
Well the reason I stopped watching is because the show was initially sold as an extension of the MCU, but as time went on, what happened on the show had little effect on the MCU and vice versa. Plus, I just can't get invested in the characters.
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This too. The show feels like it is set up to lean on the MCU for support, yet it largely avoids the MCU to tackle C-list plots. Ends up feeling sort of half baked, like a continuous tease.

When it was first announced, I thought the show would be about SHIELD having to go around and mop up all the loose ends left open by the superheroes. Taking threads and plots from the movies and sort of being the "epilogue." For instance, tracking down and taking care of that monster that got loose in London at the end of Thor 2. They did this when Winter Soldier hit with the Hydra stuff, but then they kept milking it forever. I think between all the villains and loose threads of the MCU, they could do a lot better than Ward Ward Ward. They could even use it to set up new ideas for the MCU to use later in a more major way, like Coulson and Thor's hammer once upon a time.

On the other hand, Daredevil stands on its own legs entirely and I loved every second of it. Jessica Jones, while not written as well, was still significantly more interesting to me than AoS.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
Is Agents of SHIELD one of the lowest rated network shows to get a spin-off? Maybe something in the early days of Fox has it beat, but even that I'm a little skeptical of.
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Assume not counting the CW since... well almost everything is low-rated on there

Because can't imagine TVD was doing a ton better

And Arrow gets around similar numbers
 
Finished House of Cards S1, that was some good televisionstreaming?

Frank breaking the 4th wall almost disapeared in the last few eps which makes me sad. On to season 2 then
 
Rhaknar said:
Finished House of Cards S1, that was some good televisionstreaming?

Frank breaking the 4th wall almost disapeared in the last few eps which makes me sad. On to season 2 then
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Don't worry it comes back. There are bouts here and there where it lessens but he always returns to breaking the 4th wall.
 
I like this new actress in season 2, the shows cast is on point in general. How does TV gaf feel about House of Cards in general anyway? I dont really see it discussed much around here, which I guess makes sense since theres no ratings to follow but its not like we have a tv-Gaf thread anyway
 
SillyNonsense said:
On the other hand, Daredevil stands on its own legs entirely and I loved every second of it. Jessica Jones, while not written as well, was still significantly more interesting to me than AoS.
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My feelings exactly. Agents doesn't have a strong enough connection to the events of the MCU to keep me interested, and it isn't strong enough on its own to hold my attention. I keep telling people, if The Inhumans movie actually ever happens, I would be shocked if it has more than a quick cameo or throwaway line as its connection to Agents of SHIELD. Considering that film is 3+ years away, I doubt Agents will even be on the air by the time it arrives.

Daredevil and Jessica Jones aren't much better about being "connected," but they're strong enough in their own right for me to overlook that.
 
I made it through one season of House of Cards and then bailed out. Corey Stoll and my Kate Mara crush were the only things that even made me last that long.
 
Rhaknar said:
I like this new actress in season 2, the shows cast is on point in general. How does TV gaf feel about House of Cards in general anyway? I dont really see it discussed much around here, which I guess makes sense since theres no ratings to follow but its not like we have a tv-Gaf thread anyway
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I see threads for that show every year. I don't know how active they are but they have to be somewhat.*

This is also the most active so by defacto it is a general tv discussion thread, but most of us are just usually focused on ratings or when renewals and cancellations come and go for one reason or another. You can post and scream and shout all you want about how an awesome thing happened on a show last night (network, cable, or otherwise) and that means we should all watch it but it also might be hard to talk specifics outside a show's own discussion thread, so be prepared to discuss why such a show is worth watching or mostly what it's about or about or bring spoiler tags. Just saying.


*I say this as the author of a few show threads that barely broke 30 posts at times after an entire (one then cancelled) season
 
Penguin said:
Assume not counting the CW since... well almost everything is low-rated on there

Because can't imagine TVD was doing a ton better

And Arrow gets around similar numbers
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The backdoor pilot for The Originals got 1.0. The Arrow episode that should have been the pilot for The Flash got a 0.7, because that season in general was its lowest rated one.
 
Did House of Cards s02e01 just tell me to go fuck myself at the end of the episode? Lol
 
Dedication Through Light said:
Are people really viewing over Nintendo Wii?
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This:

Variety said:
Nielsen also is launching a new metric called Total Use of Television (TUT) that adds connected-TV device usage to traditional television usage “for a complete view of the use of the TV set.”
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...makes me think they're going to track time spent playing video games on a television, not just time spent watching programs on television. So that's where the Wii (and they probably mean the Wii U as well) would come in, as well as the PlayStation (3 and 4) and Xbox (360 and "One") to a certain extent.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
My feelings exactly. Agents doesn't have a strong enough connection to the events of the MCU to keep me interested, and it isn't strong enough on its own to hold my attention. I keep telling people, if The Inhumans movie actually ever happens, I would be shocked if it has more than a quick cameo or throwaway line as its connection to Agents of SHIELD. Considering that film is 3+ years away, I doubt Agents will even be on the air by the time it arrives.

Daredevil and Jessica Jones aren't much better about being "connected," but they're strong enough in their own right for me to overlook that.
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Agreed. While the Netflix show's connection to the MCU isn't strong, they still stand on their own because the get to delve into the part of the Marvel Universe that will never get the chance to be seen on the big screen.

Plus, while their connection to the MCU is small, their connection between shows is interesting, sort of like Marvel's own Arrowverse.
 
Wow, The Middle did almost as well as Modern Family! Nice.

Glad to see Survivor did well too. Of course Criminal Minds did too, despite its drop in quality.

But Supernatural got really disappointing numbers. Perhaps because it came off a long layoff? What is normal for it?
 
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