RatskyWatsky
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2015-16 TV Cancellations: The Beast, having been fed, asks waiter for his bill.
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dead souls
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It's not like people are watching sci-fi shows in large numbers anywhere, are they?
Sci-fi is pretty dead on television.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
they're still angry about firefly because sci-fi fans are very poorly adjusted
dead souls
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But I like some sci-fi stuff! Oh shit, I just proved your point, didn't I?
Cancelling Firefly and Dollhouse just gave Whedon the push to make those two Avengers masterpieces *snicker* so it's almost like Fox did him a favor.
I can think of a number reasons which would start at Firefly and ends at Almost Human. I'm quite convinced people are now doing more a "I'll start watching it at the second season approach" which of course causes a cycle.
They kinda watched Revolution, at least for the first season. But that is easily explained by it being terrible. And The 100 will probably end up being higher than Minority Report's following episode. 12 Monkeys, Humans, Dark Matter, Doctor Who and Orphan Black are more small-scale, but they also get renewals. FOX just seems to want to make sci-fi happen in a way; but they do it with such budgets that they have to give up immediately.
Jason Frost
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Okay, character number 30 in the credits is shared. I forgot him.
Jason Frost
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dead souls
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Eh, people always posit this but I think the number of people who actually hold off on things they are interested in because it might get canceled are a tiny and thus largely irrelevant portion of the audience.
Most people don't take television that seriously, and personally I'll watch anything that seems good even if it's a lost cause ratings-wise. I'd rather have seen 13 episodes of a Wonderfalls than none at all.
He is literally character 30 in the list of credits on IMDB.
And I honestly forgot him.
Jason Frost
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So what?
Colin Farrell is #25 and Samantha Morton is #29 in that list and they are like a big part of the movie.
IMDB means nothing.
RatskyWatsky
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I don't think the philosophy of "I'm not going to watch sci-fi shows on Fox because they always cancel every sci-fi show ever" is one that exists outside of a small niche on the internet.
firehawk12
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Extra Hot Great, but they only do one show a week so it's not that useful for actual preview news.
spindoctor
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Well that's a phrase I never thought I'd see.
I mean I watched the first season of Scorpion and it was okay but it never reached the point where it could be used as a benchmark for anything else.
Sci fi fans are an easy target because of Firefly but let's not pretend that there isn't a portion of the general TV viewing audience that loses their shit any time any show gets cancelled. Community fans managed to embarrass themselves for years for example. Then you have all the 'campaigns' to save the show which involve carpet bombing studios with all kinds of useless junk. I don't think TV viewers generally handle the inevitable churn of shows very well at all.
The snickers really do satisfy.
Dollhouse > Firefly, but both Avengers were so generic....
Redmethod18
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Give Fran Kranz more work please.
Edit: He's even great in the Always Sunny episode he is in, which is one of my favourite episodes.
He was terrific on the show. As was Enver Gjokaj.
Dedication Through Light
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I hope Limitless stayed strong last night it was hilarious and pretty intense. Mike & Ike & Brian are the best, and Rebecca is growing on me.
Muppets continues to plummet, down to a 1.6 from a 2.0. Best Time Ever dropped hard, too, from 1.9 to 1.3. Grandfathered and The Grinder no longer look viable, although maybe 1.1 is the average rating for Fox shows now, Empire notwithstanding, haha. Limitless and Agents of SHIELD still look OK, dropping just 0.2 and 0.1, respectively.
[edit] Oh and The Flash premiered with a pretty good 1.4! Its debut was a 1.9 last year.
As much as Fox wants them to, L+3s reeeeally don't matter, but just for fun, here was Fox's press release about last week's Scream Queens:
Fox said:
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
They must matter in some capacity or else they wouldn't even bother to track it.
streetsahead123
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Yikes. Bad night all around, except for Fresh Off The Boat and The Flash (and maybe iZombie, depending on how much weight you give to retention).
RepairmanJack
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Kind of sad numbers for IZombie, I hope it sticks around.
firehawk12
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FOB getting that Shaq-Fu bump.
iZombie is pretty much a consistent performer. Middling for The CW, but I see them keeping with it.
dead souls
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Yeah, if it stays in the 0.7 range it'll be fine. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually move it somewhere else to use the Flash lead-in to launch a new show.
The most interesting CW ratings this week are going to be the Thursday ones. I'm waiting to see how Vampire Diaries sans Dobrev does.
Yeah, I could see that
Or do half iZombie/half a spring show with The Flash lead-in
Think it could also work if paired with Supernatural or Vampire Diaries
crazygambit
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I don't understand this post. Scorpion is offensively bad, so you're saying Minority Report is decent?
If so, I agree (though I've only seen the pilot)
RepairmanJack
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I feel like the people that would drop off that show dropped it already before that, if not just switched to The Originals when it started being a lot better.
I'm slightly surprised by The Flash's numbers. While there is no doubting that it's excellent (besting anything on Fox by a healthy margin) I think I bought into the fan hysteria that this could second season could debut to a 1.8 (or higher!!) in the demo.
The Muppet death spiral doesn't surprise me. This always struck me as a desperate move by Disney to do something (nay ANYTHING!) with the Muppets IP since they bought it. In saying that if the show does solid sales in the International market and it doesn't sink below a 1.2 or whatever I can see Disney keeping it around.
And Fox's Tuesday line up continues to baffle me. Why are they pairing two comedies that star male actors in their fifties with a Ryan Murphy series that's clearly aimed at a young female audience? I can see their entire Tuesday night line up sinking below a 1.0 in the demo soon enough.
The Muppet death spiral doesn't surprise me. This always struck me as a desperate move by Disney to do something (nay ANYTHING!) with the Muppets IP since they bought it. In saying that if the show does solid sales in the International market and it doesn't sink below a 1.2 or whatever I can see Disney keeping it around.
And Fox's Tuesday line up continues to baffle me. Why are they pairing two comedies that star male actors in their fifties with a Ryan Murphy series that's clearly aimed at a young female audience? I can see their entire Tuesday night line up sinking below a 1.0 in the demo soon enough.
They track them because they look good in PR.
dead souls
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Yep. I wish the C3/C7 numbers got released, since they're what ultimately count.
FOB is that good.
The problem is that by going more adult Muppets has scared away the kids and family-friendly crowd, and the critics have repeatedly beaten up on it because it doesn't feel like the Muppets.
It doesn't help that it's funny but not hilarious. I'm not necessarily turned off by the change in tone, but I don't think the quality is really there.
I watched the first two episodes, but quite happily turned back to Flash tonight, and forgot to even record Muppets.
I'd assume
1)It's the CW's limited reach
2)Them not putting up season 1 until day of... like do it a week before. Give people time to binge!
Exactly they should go up the day after the season finale. Are reruns that important? I need to start on Flash
It's less about reruns and more about getting that blu-ray/DVD sales... which I don't get why those can't come out in the summer.
Release it in July/August
Put up a show on streaming month before season premiere.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yeah, I'm honestly not too worried about iZombie. That's decent enough, and the show can't be that expensive compared to the other genre shows on The CW.
Is there a particular reason that all those CW shows are added to Netflix literally the day that the new season premieres? Yeah, they want to give the DVD sales time, but they didn't even get the iZombie DVD out until September 29th. It must have to do with some agreement they have, because that arrangement can't be by choice. People that are perpetually behind on their shows because they wait for it to show up on Netflix. If they had time to catch up, they might watch it live with the new season.
I could have sworn the one year, 24 got its DVD out the week after the season finale.
Is there a particular reason that all those CW shows are added to Netflix literally the day that the new season premieres? Yeah, they want to give the DVD sales time, but they didn't even get the iZombie DVD out until September 29th. It must have to do with some agreement they have, because that arrangement can't be by choice. People that are perpetually behind on their shows because they wait for it to show up on Netflix. If they had time to catch up, they might watch it live with the new season.
I could have sworn the one year, 24 got its DVD out the week after the season finale.
Literally everyone I know who loves sci-fi is anxiously waiting for FOX to launch The X-Files Season 10. Nobody watched Minority Report because nobody wanted it to begin with.
TheAbsolution
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Bob's Burgers renewed for two more seasons.
https://twitter.com/BobsBurgersFOX/status/651806408908771328?s=09
https://twitter.com/BobsBurgersFOX/status/651806408908771328?s=09
YESSSSS
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
This has got to be the most successful a show has been since being put into the Fox Death Slot (TM).
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Goodness these ratings for FOX are terrible o.o
Who's in charge of their programming schedule?
Anywho, CBS continues to be a programming beast - those are solid numbers giving the current climate.
Who's in charge of their programming schedule?
Anywho, CBS continues to be a programming beast - those are solid numbers giving the current climate.
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