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538:The Identity Politics Of The Trump Administration
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Lord Frieza
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It truly is crazy and sad just how disconnected from reality GOP voters tend to be.
Christians discriminated almost as much as blacks? Have these people ever opened a history book? I don't recall the section dedicated to how the early US economy was built from Christian slave labor.
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Great write up by 538, read it last week. They do some solid evidence-based journalism. There's also a great article they did on r/the_donald that I recommend everyone read.
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Great write up by 538, read it last week. They do some solid evidence-based journalism. There's also a great article they did on r/the_donald that I recommend everyone read.
Escape Goat
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No surprises found.
Check the chart again...Christians are discriminated against way more than blacks. At least, republicans recognize the discrimination against Christians far more often.
Lord Frieza
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Not just blacks, but Latinos, Gays, Muslims and immigrants in general. The only group they think is close to as discriminated against is Transpeople, but it's like right at the margin. It's such a stark view from actual reality. It's a shame it's not more surprising, but when you have such aggressive right wing media married with fascist Christian groups pounding this rhetoric, it's not I guess.
Vincent Grayson
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Yeah, almost 2 to 1. I can almost understand living in such a state of denial as to not recognize what's happening to people you probably avoid ever interacting with, but thinking that Christians are persecuted, much less *more*, is just beyond the pale.
I'd love to know in what ways they think Christians are being discriminated against that aren't just "They won't let us act like pieces of shit to minorities".
JonnyDBrit
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What's kinda interesting to look at in terms of the trend is that roughly similar numbers of Republicans state there's a lot discrimination against all the listed groups (including whites and Christians)... except Black people. In the Republican mindset, black people are less likely to receive discrimination at all. Both points seem... telling.
Yeah, that stuck out to. I bet many would cite Obama being president as the reason why
That chart...especially in regards to Blacks.
Pretty much
That chart...especially in regards to Blacks.
It's interesting that Republicans seem to think that everyone is discriminated against roughly equally, except black people, they're the only real outlier. And if I'm seeing the dots right, they think Christians are discriminated against marginally more than even Trans people.
pigeon interrupted
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A good portion are uber rich trust fund babies disconnected from the reality of America for the majority of its citizens.
A good portion are uneducated racists disconnected from the reality of America for the majority of its citizens.
A good portion are educated racists trying to create their own vision of America.
The rest just don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.
A good portion are uneducated racists disconnected from the reality of America for the majority of its citizens.
A good portion are educated racists trying to create their own vision of America.
The rest just don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.
I was about to edit my post, not sure how I misread the world's most straightforward chart but there you go. It is indeed ridiculous but expected when you have a party that has become focused on the concerns of a single race.
Lord Frieza
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The general answers you get are taking prayer out of school and politics and they can no longer discriminate against Gays because of their faith. And the 'war on Christmas,' too.
airmangataosenai
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Legit surprised nearly half of Republicans recognize Trans people deal with a lot of shit.
Lightning_Roller
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Republicans don't think that blacks are discriminated? Stop the fucking presses. Stupid, ignorant pieces of fermented horseshit.
Lord Frieza
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That is actually kind of surprising to me as well
That is going to be a problem if they keep with the bathroom bills
FrontalMonk
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Is it though? They recognize that they deal with a lot of shit, they just don't care.
JonnyDBrit
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Well, a common bit of rhetoric among Republican voters is that they, as in they personally, do not care or worry about other people's identities. The problem is, they also do not care to impose this equality by apathy approach upon their representatives. Like how Catholics (in western countries anyway) are often in favour of gay rights, but the Catholic Church is still formally against same sex marriage and such.
Other possibility: They recognise trans people get such discrimination, but do not necessarily view such discrimination as wrong.
You right, my bad. I forgot empathy isn't universal
Think of it less in terms of absolute values and more in terms of change. Which groups have changed up or down in the last half century, which groups have been mainstream "discovered?" It actually lines up which what they think because they see the movement but seem to think that everyone started equal.
Lord Frieza
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I have doubts about this, otherwise the discrimination for the other groups would be much higher as well.
thesoapster
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Whites and Christians are discriminated against more than immigrants, and certainly more than blacks, who are better off than everyone. Got it.
Little Green Yoda
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War on Christmas, creationism not universally taught in schools, ten commandments not being displayed in government buildings, etc?
helloresolven
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What about Black Christians?
KernelPanic
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Christians feeling discriminated = not being allowed to openly discriminate.
Lightning_Roller
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But they looooooovvvvve to come out of the woodwork when Obama, Hillary or Democrats in general have a story. Hypocritical assholes.
ryutaro's mama
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It truly is amazing.
Carpe Libertatem
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Republicans would obviously think they would be discriminated against for being Christian, not for being black.
Angelus Errare
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Charleston shooting. "This was an attack on Christianity." - Fox News
I find it.... infuriating that after this last election Democrats are the one faced with lots of "you need to better understand these people" quotes, when these charts make it painfully obvious that the gop is basically oblivious to the problems of anyone who isn't white and middle class.
I just hope hope hope that white people (self included) become actual minorities in my lifetime. Although chances are will set things up to ensure we can still fuck over everyone else long before that happens.
I just hope hope hope that white people (self included) become actual minorities in my lifetime. Although chances are will set things up to ensure we can still fuck over everyone else long before that happens.
To be fair, they aren't talking about historical discrimination. Slavery has nothing to do with it. That doesn't really change the fact that you've got to have some skewed calculus to somehow end up with Christians being persecuted more, but that's where the Fox News bubble works overtime. Talk about people being boycotted for Christian ideals all the time, not about how people with black-sounding names aren't hired at a disproportionate rate as people with whiter names but with the same skills. Worldview entrenched.
(I think liberals and Dems also overestimate discrimination against certain groups as well—what does "a lot" really mean?—but willing to bet in every example they are far closer than the Republican guesstimates.)
Militaratus
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That gif is good, it's damn good.That chart...especially in regards to Blacks.
On topic, somehow by looking at the graph I can just assume Republicans are really the main target audience of PureFlix for their White and/or Christian prosecution-complex films.
This. They'll try to hit all the alternatives and refuse to acknowledge it was because the person was black. You could have someone admit why they did the act and they would still spin it.
GungHo
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This is confirmation bias, but for a morning of fun, go to Google and search on "christian persecution".
I've heard that many times, well used to hear it a lot more especially during Ferguson.
What really took the cake though was one of my Brother's friends that said Obama being president shows racism is over, and then further went on to say women are treated equal as well.
But how can that be if there has never been a woman president? Logic fail.
They are so busy spewing the Fox News rhetoric they don't even take the time to listen to the words that come out of their own mouths.
CopperPuppy
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This is obvious to anyone with a brain.
And yet certain "liberals" will continue to let me know how the left lost the election because they played identity politics while Trump eschewed it and talked the economy, and that's why people voted for him. Fucking nonsense. The right has somehow been able to build their entire platform around identity politics while, at the same time, blaming the other side for it when they get called on their bigoted bullshit. They get away with it because people are stupid and elected officials on the left are toothless. You'll have GAFfers come into this very thread and start talking about how identity politics have failed the left. Think about that, these are so-called democrats who still haven't clued themselves into the fact that, whaddya fucking know, republicans are actually the ones playing identity politics while selling the opposite to the public, and now liberals are buying what they're selling too.
And yet certain "liberals" will continue to let me know how the left lost the election because they played identity politics while Trump eschewed it and talked the economy, and that's why people voted for him. Fucking nonsense. The right has somehow been able to build their entire platform around identity politics while, at the same time, blaming the other side for it when they get called on their bigoted bullshit. They get away with it because people are stupid and elected officials on the left are toothless. You'll have GAFfers come into this very thread and start talking about how identity politics have failed the left. Think about that, these are so-called democrats who still haven't clued themselves into the fact that, whaddya fucking know, republicans are actually the ones playing identity politics while selling the opposite to the public, and now liberals are buying what they're selling too.
Guileless
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If every ethnicity views now views politics through the lens of identity-based grievances, then basic math would tell you to pay attention to the statistically largest group. Is that more infuriating than losing lots of elections and being a minority party?
I bet most GOP voters refuse to believe or don't understand structural racism. They think the best candidates are always chosen unless there are regulations like Affirmative Action.
I bet they also refuse to believe that police have any tendency to be worst against black people, which is why digging up the past of victims of police brutality is so effective.
So in short, they refuse to believe the all the bad things black people have to endure, but see things like Affirmative Action and reason they have it pretty good.
I bet they also refuse to believe that police have any tendency to be worst against black people, which is why digging up the past of victims of police brutality is so effective.
So in short, they refuse to believe the all the bad things black people have to endure, but see things like Affirmative Action and reason they have it pretty good.
Let us not forget that graph (that I can't find) where Republican's opinion on the state of the economy shot up once Trump took office, as if the economy just sprung forward at the end of January.
It makes sense strategically. Its just insulting to have a group of human beings who obviously can't empathize with anyone who isn't exactly like them act like its somehow your fault that you can.
Well I mean they are holding the freshly printed receipts for most of this hate, so it's fresh in their minds. As for the rest, well who can remember what happened yesterday?
PanicFreak
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The WAR ON CHRISTMAS is serious business y'all.
It's because they feel like it's openly acceptable to discriminate against trans people that they are willing to recognize that it happens. Because they know they do it and, unlike everything else, they feel like the consensus is that it's okay.
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