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$600 Blu-ray *RECORDERS*???
- Thread starter Kleegamefan
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MightyHedgehog
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So, for a read-only drive it shouldn't be too expensive for PS3 to have one, I'd assume. Still sounds expensive anyway.
Xenon
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Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
soundwave05
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I could be waaaay off base, but I've always felt that a lot of this technology (especailly with electronics/home theater) is ridiculously marked up, especailly for new stuff.
I don't think honestly a Blu-Ray drive costs that much more than a regular ol' DVD drive once mass production starts up. Sure there are cost differences because of the different laser, but really all its doing is reading data off a disc.
It was like how progressive scan DVD players used to cost like $1000 a few years ago.
I wouldn't be all that stunned from Sony's P.O.V. if a Blu-Ray drive (since they have their own division) probably doesn't cost them all that much more than a DVD drive for the PS2 did in 2000, if at all.
Anyways $600 for a Blu-Ray recorder probably means standalone Blu-Ray players will be $400 or so (or are they even planning to make those?), with $800-$1000 for versions which have a HDD built in.
I don't think honestly a Blu-Ray drive costs that much more than a regular ol' DVD drive once mass production starts up. Sure there are cost differences because of the different laser, but really all its doing is reading data off a disc.
It was like how progressive scan DVD players used to cost like $1000 a few years ago.
I wouldn't be all that stunned from Sony's P.O.V. if a Blu-Ray drive (since they have their own division) probably doesn't cost them all that much more than a DVD drive for the PS2 did in 2000, if at all.
Anyways $600 for a Blu-Ray recorder probably means standalone Blu-Ray players will be $400 or so (or are they even planning to make those?), with $800-$1000 for versions which have a HDD built in.
soundwave05
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Fuzzy said:
Seriously though I've always felt this was a crock excuse on the part of electronics manufacturers because they've gotten away with it for so long.
A $100-$200 premium per unit I can understand sure, but when you see something like DVD Audio player's go from $1000 to $250 in about 18 months ...
I think they've just gotten used to ripping off early adopters/audiophiles/videophiles.
soundwave05
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Hollywood said:
Oh I'm sure if it can play regular Blu-Ray disc movies it'll be hacked and modded pretty quickly.
Not as easily as the XBox 360, but it'll get there.
Scottlarock
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ps3 will not ship with blu-ray...cell+blu-ray+3dcard+memory........ not for $299
soundwave05
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Scottlarock said:
Meh, people said the exact same thing about the PS2.
Thing is PS3 is coming out a full six years after the PS2, so its a bit late, which gives Sony a little more time to bring costs down anyway.
And also since Sony generally launches first in Japan -- they can mark the system up in price over there.
The PS2 was $380 at launch in Japan, I could see the PS3 being about $400 at launch in Japan.
Basically the Japanese will take the brunt of the cost. By the time it comes out in the US, it'll be $299.99 US.
midnightguy
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Gattsu25 said:
PS3 is *officially* going to have Blu-ray Disc / Blu-ray technology. that's straight from Sony / SCEI themselves. as Klee already pointed out and provided a link for.
standard PS3 will likely have Blu-ray read only
PS3 Home Server (mentioned by SCEE) would then probably have Blu-ray read and also write / re-write / record -
Klee and Panajev would you agree or disagree ?
Panajev2001a
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midnightguy said:
I agree.
midnightguy
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Panajev2001a said:
eeeexellent.
btw Panajev, (and Klee) I don't know if you got a chance to see the megapost I made about
Colossal Storage's 'Colossal Atomic Holographic DVR disc drives'
10 to 100 TERABYTE discs
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?p=1235998&highlight=hydrogen#post1235998
That's pre-Stringer.Kleegamefan said:
Kuturagi got demoted for a reason... Why do you think that is? It's no coincidence that they are now taking a much softer line on Blu-Ray after he's stepped down, considering a merge with HD-DVD.
And the ramifications could go further than that...
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
midnightguy, I also agree...
Teddman, Stringer was also quoted as not wanting to screw with the Sony Computer Entertainment divison and admitted Ken K. knows what he is doing with the PlayStation brand....
I would be surprised if SCEI backed out of their decison to use a BRD-ROM drive in PS3....
Teddman, Stringer was also quoted as not wanting to screw with the Sony Computer Entertainment divison and admitted Ken K. knows what he is doing with the PlayStation brand....
I would be surprised if SCEI backed out of their decison to use a BRD-ROM drive in PS3....
People, it's a semiconductor laser. The driver circuitry is easy as pie as well. The manufacturing costs of a HD-DVD/Bluray system are only more than DVD/CDRom unit because it has one more beam splitter/emitter. It will still be damn cheap per unit.
The processing chips/video scalers to handle the data will be costly at first, but next gen consoles already have them, duh.
R&D budgets of figuring out all the signal processing and driving everything properly is high of course, but Sony will have to do that anyway for other devices.
I can't imagine that the physical additions to the PS3 to support Bluray is more than a few dollars - even initially.
Just by not having a 16X DVD drive in the next gen machine makes it all worth while. The XBOX360 will be as loud as a jet engine if it has a 10,000rpm drive in it + at least 1 high RPM fan for heat. Yuck.
The processing chips/video scalers to handle the data will be costly at first, but next gen consoles already have them, duh.
R&D budgets of figuring out all the signal processing and driving everything properly is high of course, but Sony will have to do that anyway for other devices.
I can't imagine that the physical additions to the PS3 to support Bluray is more than a few dollars - even initially.
Just by not having a 16X DVD drive in the next gen machine makes it all worth while. The XBOX360 will be as loud as a jet engine if it has a 10,000rpm drive in it + at least 1 high RPM fan for heat. Yuck.
soundwave05 said:
It is marked up- justifiably so. It's not just CE manufacturers either. Look at auto makers who introduce the high-tech options in their premium lines first. They get a premium price for them. When the accessory, be it, ABS, airbags, HUD, etc, gains widespread market acceptance, the manu's start introducing them in their lower line autos.
Like Fuzzy said, they have to recoup R&D costs first. Introducing a new product is a very risky proposition. What if BR drives flop? It's not likely, but what if? Sony, et al, are left holding the bag. It's just basic economics.
BTW, I don't like it anymore than you, but I understand why they do it.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
I think the Xbox 360 will have a 12X DVD drive...what is the data transer rate of a 12X drive again.....pretty quick, I think....
Oh, and I agree with everything you are saying garrikk
midnightguy
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garrickk said:
Xenon/Xbox360 is meant to have a 12X DVD drive. will that still be loud ?
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Shrike_Priest
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While I don't really doubt it, could anyone provide a link confirming that it's read only?
If Sony want to finish what they started with the PSX, and really make the Playstation an all-in-one media-device, having burning capability would be a huge advantage.
If Sony want to finish what they started with the PSX, and really make the Playstation an all-in-one media-device, having burning capability would be a huge advantage.
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Kleegamefan
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There is no link for this, just well-informed hunches based on PS2 being DVD-ROM based and PSX being DVD R/RW based....
Based on history, there is a chance that if we see multiple PS3 products, one will be a PSX2, with BRD-RE functionality....
I said this a week or two ago in an Xbox360 thread. The component costs for any optical drive are generally the same. You got a laser and a controller. In the PS3, you've got an IOP or some other device controller to handle the drive, and so it really comes down to a laser, bearings and motors and stuff. And in the volumes the PS3 will be made, the already low costs will drop even faster.
The cost argument was made for the DVD drive in the PS2 as well. But it's not conclusive what effect that eventually had on the overall price. For those CE players, you're paying a premium since the hardware can't be sold at a loss, and you're paying for the logic to decode/encode as well as to control the drive. Sony can't stop making hardware components or SCE will lose their advantage in this department. PEACE.
The cost argument was made for the DVD drive in the PS2 as well. But it's not conclusive what effect that eventually had on the overall price. For those CE players, you're paying a premium since the hardware can't be sold at a loss, and you're paying for the logic to decode/encode as well as to control the drive. Sony can't stop making hardware components or SCE will lose their advantage in this department. PEACE.
Shrike_Priest
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"There is no link for this, just well-informed hunches based on PS2 being DVD-ROM based and PSX being DVD R/RW based...."
In that case, it's important to remember that when the PS2 was released, there were no DVD-R capable DVD-players. I think there might have been some for PC, but I'm 90% sure that they weren't introduced in the players untill later on. And at a premium price as well.
That isn't true with Blu-Ray, as the recorders were actually the first to be sold.
I'm not saying it will be a recorder, but I wouldn't be at all surprised. Especially if they make a "home-server" type deal.
In that case, it's important to remember that when the PS2 was released, there were no DVD-R capable DVD-players. I think there might have been some for PC, but I'm 90% sure that they weren't introduced in the players untill later on. And at a premium price as well.
That isn't true with Blu-Ray, as the recorders were actually the first to be sold.
I'm not saying it will be a recorder, but I wouldn't be at all surprised. Especially if they make a "home-server" type deal.
There is a slide which shows the drive progression for the Playstation line (PS1, PS2 & PS3). I'm pretty sure the PS3 one specified "ROM" for the BRD. I mean the PS3 should be capable of encoding a video stream, but why should Sony devalue their other lines? Hopefully they make the option of getting one with R/W capability. PEACE.