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[Pasta la Vista]

PS4Pro exit market just before PS5 launched
PS5Pro as being mostly inferior product to PS6 and sold for profit will most likely follow the trend.

PS4 Pro didn't cost more than the base PS4 when it released

 

[clappedcheeks]

Isn't that from an old leak? 50m for the console and 10m for the handheld that got cancelled bc Microsoft got cold feet over the 10m minimum investment?

It could be a leak from a legitimate source or made up fan fiction by someone. It's not official unless it comes straight from the horses mouth.

 

[adamsapple]

I still believe only the 1st party "Xbox Series X2" will have BC, while the "ASUS ROG Xbox PC" will not, even though both are using the same hardware.

If by 'same hardware' you mean they'll have broadly the same specs, then I don't see any reason to opt for the ASUS one, other than it being *way* cheaper by comparison.

4 generations of Xbox BC and all that software is way more valuable.

 

[Felessan]

PS4 Pro didn't cost more than the base PS4 when it released

And we was in different point on both Moore Law death curve and inflation curve. And what?

Keeping PS5Pro alive have no sense
1. PS6 unlikely to sold for profit the same way Pro does - it will kill it market affordability. Even Nintendo can't afford this anymore, Sw2 have minimal hardware margin
2. Keeping Pro console alive it being more expensive than more advanced PS6 just have no sense - no one will buy it
3. Discount price for Pro below PS6 will make it a third wheel - it'll make console a loss driver with no real benefit for Sony, which would like it's playerbase to transfer to PS6 generation and not to Pro and it's unlikely that it could be sold much cheaper than future PS6.

Basically Pro is what it is - a stop gap measure for enthusiasts that will run it's life with PS6 launch.

 

[NickFire]

K KeplerL2

Where do you two land on the rumor about needing GP to open up Steam access. Not sure where it was first floated as a possibility. But we have some who think it sounds exactly like something MS would do. And some who think it's a bonkers idea.

Any idea if just silly speculation or something likely?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

K KeplerL2

Where do you two land on the rumor about needing GP to open up Steam access. Not sure where it was first floated as a possibility. But we have some who think it sounds exactly like something MS would do. And some who think it's a bonkers idea.

Any idea if just silly speculation or something likely?

Honestly I have zero clue but think its a terrible decision if MS tries to enforce that so its very likely MS will try to enforce that

 

[mckmas8808]

Honestly I have zero clue but think its a terrible decision if MS tries to enforce that so its very likely MS will try to enforce that

LOL!!! It's bad that this is MS' reputation now when it comes to Xbox.

 

[adamsapple]

K KeplerL2

Where do you two land on the rumor about needing GP to open up Steam access. Not sure where it was first floated as a possibility. But we have some who think it sounds exactly like something MS would do. And some who think it's a bonkers idea.

Any idea if just silly speculation or something likely?

Sounds like something someone made up to counter what someone made up about removing the paid online.

 

[mckmas8808]

Sounds like something someone made up to counter what someone made up about removing the paid online.

I agree with you here. Because it just makes no sense business-wise or logically. What does GP have to do with accessing the Steam store on a PC?

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

PS users invested in this ecosystem will obviously not switch.

Xbox users looking at a 1099,00 glorified PC will probably compare it to an alternate Linux based offering by Valve for idk 699,00 since you'd have to be a real weirdo not buying the Steam version of games on there. Most won't appreciate the increased performance on the MS machine relative to the price increase. Which is why I can see a substantial portion of this niche picking the next Steam machine instead, further diminishing the Xbox userbase. But maybe that's the plan.

 

[KeplerL2]

K KeplerL2

Where do you two land on the rumor about needing GP to open up Steam access. Not sure where it was first floated as a possibility. But we have some who think it sounds exactly like something MS would do. And some who think it's a bonkers idea.

Any idea if just silly speculation or something likely?

Would make sense if they still want to subsidize the console

 

[coffinbirth]

It could be a leak from a legitimate source or made up fan fiction by someone. It's not official unless it comes straight from the horses mouth.

Oh, you mean the general gist of this entire 11 page thread?

Pay what? For all we know, MS probably could've made that change already. That's why they're sounding confident regarding BC and FC. They will likely be doing 12% store cut across the board though.

Publishers would simply have a choice, publish or not publish on Xbox. There's a reason why MS targeted the three main publishers with their respective PC storefronts, who would object to such a change. EA Play, Ubisoft+ Classics, FortNite Crew being part of Gamepass Ultimate basically ensures those publishers are always on board with MS plans.

The goal is to have both scalable and optimized games across the 5 form factors with a unified licensing, as in PCs, Laptops, Handhelds, Consoles, Cloud. Play Anywhere, Cloud Enabled, Handheld Optimized, those three things ensure that happens, and cover the full ecosystem. Arc Raiders for example is all three.

But MS isn't ready to force publishers to support Nvidia or Intel hardware configurations, so they won't force Play Anywhere. However, they very much can ensure all AMD Magnus devices of a same or higher tier than the Console (AT2) can run the GDKX builds from the same license.

Convergence goes both ways. Getting PC games running on Consoles and getting Console games running on PCs. Selling an Xbox branded PC makes no sense otherwise if it isn't part of a universal platform. AMD and MS goal is to flood the market and take over the pre built PCs market.

Microsoft isn't in the position to force anyone to do anything at this point, hence having to take a hit to revenue to even get this initiative whiffed at by major publishers.
Just like everything Microsoft does in this industry, they will have to pay through the nose to get people to bend to their ways.
Getting those publisher services from Ubisoft, EA, etc. has absolutely no bearing on Play Anywhere and has done exactly NOTHING to move the needle there.
One need to look no further than Battlefield 6, the first EA title released after incorporating EA's service into Gamepass post price hike....isn't, wait for it...isn't a Play Anywhere title. Assassins Creed Shadows isn't a Play Anywhere title.

You're right, convergence DOES work both ways...if it makes sense for both parties, and it clearly doesn't.

 

[coffinbirth]

I agree with you here. Because it just makes no sense business-wise or logically. What does GP have to do with accessing the Steam store on a PC?

To be clear, I was talking about the console. The context of the comment was ways in which Microsoft could claw back revenue to offset the subsidization potential.

It would make no sense in the context of an Xbox PC.
For instance, there are services I can enjoy via the Xbox app on pc that are not behind a paywall like they are on an Xbox console.

 

[MiguelItUp]

If true, I'll never own a console again, lmao.

 

[clappedcheeks]

Oh, you mean the general gist of this entire 11 page thread

Thanks captain obvious, I know these threads are all about speculation which is what makes them interesting. That 50m figure seems like wishful thinking in the hope that economies of scale make the Magnus a sub 1k prebuilt with the power of a 3k rig. Unless it's going to be heavily subsidised it'll be similar in power to an equally priced pre built upon release; but it'll still be a machine with great potential.

 

[coffinbirth]

Thanks captain obvious, I know these threads are all about speculation which is what makes them interesting. That 50m figure seems like wishful thinking in the hope that economies of scale make the Magnus a sub 1k prebuilt with the power of a 3k rig. Unless it's going to be heavily subsidised it'll be similar in power to an equally priced pre built upon release; but it'll still be a machine with great potential.

What I'm saying is that 50m number was for the supposed 5 variants in the product line, at 10m units minimum per. I suspect this was just FUD based on Keplers comment about 10m minimum order for the cancelled handheld to fit the narrative that there are, in fact, or WERE to be 5 distinct Magnus configurations. That logic makes sense. It wouldn't make any sense for just the console APU.

 

[NickFire]

I agree with you here. Because it just makes no sense business-wise or logically. What does GP have to do with accessing the Steam store on a PC?

Why do we need ps+ premium to stream to portal?

 

[IDKFA]

Would make sense if they still want to subsidize the console

Agreed. Makes perfect sense.

I've always been sceptical on how Microsoft can make money from this hardware if it has access to Steam (I assume Epic and GOG as well), but forcing users to sign up to GP in order to access third party stores ensures a steady revenue stream.

It'll very likely backfire spectacularly, but on paper the idea makes sense.

 

[Felessan]

Why do we need ps+ premium to stream to portal?

Because cloud gaming is a part of premium tier

 

[mckmas8808]

Why do we need ps+ premium to stream to portal?

To help pay for the server cost and continuing cost for the infrastructure. PS+ streaming is only in 30 or so countries. I imagine that'll increase over the years. Somebody has to pay for that and it isn't going to be all on Sony. That's where we (the consumers) come in.

 

[coffinbirth]

Agreed. Makes perfect sense.

I've always been sceptical on how Microsoft can make money from this hardware if it has access to Steam (I assume Epic and GOG as well), but forcing users to sign up to GP in order to access third party stores ensures a steady revenue stream.

It'll very likely backfire spectacularly, but on paper the idea makes sense.

And that's exactly what I was suggesting.

 

[bitbydeath]

Nothing prevents the Xbox PC from having Forwards Compatibility with new games created for Magnus Console. MS Store Smart Delivery would simply recognize an Xbox branded PC Or Console as "Xbox" if running Magnus.

On a scale from 1-10, how upset will you be when you find out that isn't happening?

Will it impact your decision to buy it?

 

[Neo_game]

the X2 isn't leaked either really. just the APU.

given that they are developing multiple APUs for both Microsoft and Sony, it's probably not easy for any leaker to fully figure out which APU is meant for which product.
it's not as straightforward as with Nintendo, when the moment a custom SOC is even remotely in the works at Nvidia, you instantly can be sure it's for Nintendo.

that's how the Switch 2 hardware was basically known for almost 4 years prior to launch... there was only 1 chip that was only really plausible to be used in 1 product.

Believe it or not PSP, PS6 and Xbox specs have been leaked with their codename. Just look it up. Only caveat is since Xbox is chiplet design instead of monolithic they might release different variants of it in future ? But so far I do not think there are any leaks. We will have one from Microsoft and OEM version pretty much uses the same chip but upto 350 watts instead of 250 ? So OEM version definitely will have more power and better cooling and it might also have 48gigs memory instead of 36. PS6 is expected to 30gigs. This is what the leaks are saying if I remember correctly.

 

[IDKFA]

And that's exactly what I was suggesting.

Fantastic suggestion it was as well.

It's so obvious when you think about. Microsoft are not going to make a penny form any third-party game sold on Steam on their new platform, and with the Xbox division reportedly been given a 30% profit margin target, the revenue is going to have to come from somewhere.

 

[adamsapple]

Why do we need ps+ premium to stream to portal?

It's the only tier that does cloud gaming on PS+.

Today, we're excited to share that PS Portal is receiving one of its biggest updates yet. Starting on November 5 at 6pm PT / November 6 at 2am GMT, Cloud Streaming for PS5 Games** officially launches on PS Portal for PlayStation Plus Premium members, along with a variety of new features that enhance how you can play.

Cloud Streaming officially arrives on PlayStation Portal today, with new support for digital PS5 Games in your library

Stream select PS5 games directly on your PS Portal with PlayStation Plus Premium.

blog.playstation.com

 

[Topher]

A simple change in the publishers contracts for new games going forward would suffice. That any New game published after a specific date, will be authorized to run on all Xbox branded devices regardless of form factor.

 

[viveks86]

MS: "Hey publisher, just a heads up. We made a simple change in our contracts going forward. Either you are all in and are on the hook for supporting all your new games on any of our 1st or 3rd party branded devices for all eternity. Or you are all out. Choice is yours. Kapeesh?"

Sweating Publisher: "K-k-k-apeesh m-m-my Lord"